Originally posted by arollingstone
reply to post by smithjustinb
It has no bearing on existence? How do you think all other animals on this planet except for humans perceive themselves? That's right they don't. They don't perceive themselves as separate from their environment. The capacity for humanity to develop an ego is called sentience. Dolphins, whales, chimps, and a couple birds. That's all that believes they are separate. The rest do not believe in separation.
How would we function without labels? How do any animals function without labels? When it's time to eat, food is provided or is hunted for. Who has to ask for food?
Ok, wow. You really have swam way out of your depth now. What on earth are you talking about? Of course animals perceive themselves. And of course they see themselves as separate from their environments and other species. Otherwise they would be eating each other and humping trees. What kind of science books have you been reading?
All animals are sentient beings.. It does not mean that they believe in separation.. it means they are aware of their own existence and their relationship to their environment, that they are capable of feeling, etc. Are you for real? Dolphins, whales, chimps and a couple birds believe they are separate but all the other animals don't? Wow. What planet are you living on?
You're second paragraph is hence, non-void.
And once again, to state such nonsense as a fact is really not very productive unless you're writing a children's book.
Originally posted by arollingstone
All you know that you are is what has been told to you and what your ego has allowed itself to believe it is, but this is not really what you are.
Sigh. How do you know what I know? You don't and you lose credit for trying to tell me that you know more about me than I do. I know what I know and I know what I don't know, which I have made clear in all of my posts here. Minus 5 points.
I never told anyone who they were, all I said is that no one knows what they are. How would I tell anyone what they are when I know that that answer is unknowable.
You just did that in the same response - look at the previous quoted segment. Minus 8 points.
These are just weak definitions that miss the mark in properly identifying what it means to exist.p
No. We are living, conscious beings. To exist is to exist, end of. However we are conscious of existence, this is another undeniable truth. Minus 10 points.
Minus 43 points, you lose.
I thought sentience meant self-awareness, but I looked it up, and I think I was wrong. All animals probably are sentient, but not all are self-aware. This was proven in a test called the mirror test where it showed that most animals do not have the ability to recognize themselves in a mirror.
This means they are aware, but not aware of their self. They are aware of existence, but they don't know that it is them that is existing.
Therefore, all that is left for them to infer is that their existence is the existence of the all. There is no differentiation, therefore, they are aware of this unity that I speak of. They are aware of it because they don't differentiate between self and other. Because they can't.
Now, with this in mind, you would assume then that self-awareness is a step up in the evolutionary ladder. And it is, but the point is not to separate yourself from the 'other'. The point is only to make you realize that it is you that is having the experience. Then, you go from the insect/lower animal awareness of "all is me and I am in the all" to the higher Creator God awareness of "I am all and all is in me". Right now, our awareness is, "I am me and all is not." We even believe that so strongly that it leads us to believe the lie of, "I am me and I am separate from all." But, that's just not how it is. The truth is, "All is me and all is in me." That's the next step in human perception.
How is it possible to know what you don't know? If you don't know it, how can you know it? minus 2 points.
Seriously though, uh. I don't know what you know.
I know what you don't know, and what you don't know is what you are.
You might can say, "I am a living conscious being.", but that doesn't fully describe what you are.
Because you could also say, "I am a living conscious being that...". Then, by continuing with your definition, you have an infinite number of possibilities to define what role the living, conscious being actually plays. The point is, some may say, "I am a living, conscious being.". Others may say, "I am intelligent life."
The fact of the matter is, no one knows what any of that implies. If you don't know the implications of what you are, then you don't really know the extent of what you are.
I never told anyone who they were, all I said is that no one knows what they are.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
You might 'think' that you can separate youself from the present moment but that is not true. No one has proved that something objectively exists without someone being there, you can say it does but it can not be proved!!
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talk for yerself