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Originally posted by Jepic
No. It's simple.
NATO gunships murdered the troops during sleep.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Originally posted by Jepic
No. It's simple.
NATO gunships murdered the troops during sleep.
And you know this how?
Were you there?edit on 26/11/11 by MikeboydUS because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Jepic
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by concernedcitizen519
Don't jump TOO fast to defend the Pakistani military. The Paki military Intelligence has been running the Al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists since they were founded in the early 90's. This is *NOT* one of those situations where NATO or the U.S. can be looked upon as the clear bad guy or aggressor. Certainly not casually as a safe assumption as other areas may be.
Pakistan's Government and Military leaders are bloody up to their eyeballs in the fighting and death across that entire region of the world. Perhaps the NATO helicopter had good reason..and perhaps they didn't. Perhaps the Paki's shot at them...or maybe it was just payback for a similar shooting incident earlier.
Either way, that is one area I will NOT jump to the stories making the West look bad as automatic truth. It's FAR too complicated there to approach it in such simple terms, IMHO.
No. It's simple.
NATO gunships murdered the troops during sleep.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Just MAYBE the Paki's shot at the helicopter first? Perhaps there were AQ fighters chased right into that outpost in a hot pursuit situation. We don't know.....
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Originally posted by Jepic
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by concernedcitizen519
Don't jump TOO fast to defend the Pakistani military. The Paki military Intelligence has been running the Al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists since they were founded in the early 90's. This is *NOT* one of those situations where NATO or the U.S. can be looked upon as the clear bad guy or aggressor. Certainly not casually as a safe assumption as other areas may be.
Pakistan's Government and Military leaders are bloody up to their eyeballs in the fighting and death across that entire region of the world. Perhaps the NATO helicopter had good reason..and perhaps they didn't. Perhaps the Paki's shot at them...or maybe it was just payback for a similar shooting incident earlier.
Either way, that is one area I will NOT jump to the stories making the West look bad as automatic truth. It's FAR too complicated there to approach it in such simple terms, IMHO.
No. It's simple.
NATO gunships murdered the troops during sleep.
I certainly hope you are as quick to condemn foreign fighters when American troops are killed. I don't seem to recall such outrage and quick conclusions being reached after the Recruiting post was shot up in Little Rock, the mass shooting at Fort Hood or the like. Seems when the killing comes here, "we deserved it". When it happens over there... "We're criminals committing murder"...
Okay... Tell me. When we are wrong coming, going or just standing there doing nothing..What is it the United States or Western Powers need to do for some people to accept that not everything done is evil or criminal by definition? Just MAYBE the Paki's shot at the helicopter first? Perhaps there were AQ fighters chased right into that outpost in a hot pursuit situation. We don't know.....
Of course tho... Call the Americans or the NATO troops cold blooded murderers without further context or evidence. Always a safe bet.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by GLaDOS
For the billions of dollars we send them every year, they can call the NATO unit commands in Afghanistan and let them know there are aircraft in their airspace.
Firing on aircraft from countries who give you billions of dollars annually isn't very smart.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Jepic
As I noted..... When the fighting is in your nation and it's your family, friends or buddies who just got wasted by some Jihadi scumbags running back across a line on a map to find safety, I dare say you'll be the one rooting for that NATO Helicopter to remove them from this world before they can go rape and pillage someone else.
Who knows if that is the actual back story here. Northwest Pakistan IS Waziristan though, which is Indian Country to the extreme. I dropped a note on the thread here, because Pakistan's Government has been a bit out of Sync with Washington for the last 30 years, but as deep and drenched in blood as anyone to hold a U.S. position of power.
The I.S.I. may as well have BEEN the Mujaheddin the U.S. did support against the Soviets, but then went right on to all bout founding and actively supporting the Taliban, then later Al Qaeda.
I'll drop back off the thread here now tho... If I'd realized the depth and passion of Ant-American hate here I wouldn't have said anything to start. There is just no debating blind hate...and to automatically assume the Helicopter was just out for a fun day or murder is AS criminal in judgement as the behavior some would accuse the pilot of.
It's never a bad thing to wait for the facts before declaring some people to be evil incarnate. It IS often proven a bad mistake to jump to conclusions without them. Just a thought to consider here. Good Day.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Jepic
Tell that to the Pakistani ISI, except it won't be mutual. They will be the only ones annihilated.
There isn't going to be any mutual annihilation over Pakistan. We would have to directly attack Russia for that to happen.
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by concernedcitizen519
This incident will probably be written up as a fog of war event.
The border will be reopened. If not then cut off the money to Pakistan.
They are in cahoots with Al Qaeda anyway. Cut them off.
Originally posted by Jepic
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by concernedcitizen519
This incident will probably be written up as a fog of war event.
The border will be reopened. If not then cut off the money to Pakistan.
They are in cahoots with Al Qaeda anyway. Cut them off.
They'll just make a deal with China or Russia.
I certainly hope you are as quick to condemn foreign fighters when American troops are killed.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Jepic
Stretch to Europe? Most of Europe is already NATO.
If your talking about US troops, we already have tens of thousands all over Europe: Germany, Italy, the UK, Belgium, and Spain all base US troops.