Pictures western Terrorists with Dead Muslim kids

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Where do I begin? Fanoose, I think you are a disturbed individual, and need help. From your posts, you support the murder of innocent civilians.

I bet you cheered when those 747�s hit the world trader center.

I bet you thought those Russians deserved what they got when hundreds of civilians, and children were murdered in a school.

I can go as far as to think, that you think Hitler had it right when exterminating the Jews.

You are an angry Muslim. You believe the Koran wants you to kill invaders, no matter the cost, no matter the terror. You can�t be wrong, Allah is on your side, and will guide your soul to heaven for annihilating Americans and �Zionists.�

Know what I think? You�re an idiot.

Your Muslim brothers STARTED this god damned forsaken predicament. Who bombs embassies? Who attacked the USS Cole? Who attacked the World Trade Center twice? Who beheads innocent workers trying to rebuild the infrastructure? Who straps explosives to their chest and detonates them on a bus full of innocent civilians? From which countries do mothers teach their children that becoming a martyr is your destiny, and the will of Allah? Which countries are in constant combat, bloodshed, daily horrific religious violence? What religion are these people involved in?

You know the answers, and don�t get smart with me.

Perhaps, since your kind doesn�t pay attention to civilians, we shouldn�t either.

Your lucky we are under the camera, or things might be much different. Let me think of an example here, ohhh how about Fallujah? Now, let�s say we are sick of taking pot shots, beheadings, and all those other eventful Muslim activities. We pull out, announce that the town will be leveled, and for all to surrender and come out. Those who do not come out, will be shelled to the next world.

But no, we are way to politically correct, and want to win the world�s opinion. So by no means will we� let�s say target innocent civilians like you do.

Why doesn't the US just become energy self-sufficient, take our troops out of bases in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and take Navy out of the Persian Gulf, and never go there again.

Why do people act so surprised when Iraqis are fighting the US? Would you fight Arabs if they were super rich and floated to the US and bombed and took over New England? How about Chinese if they floated aircraft carriers up to the West Coast and invaded California with shock and awe?

"Oh, but it's not the same."

My arse. It's their country, let them have it.

And just in case you're wondering, the US is going to lose Iraqi war. There's only one way to fight Arabs and guess what it is: Make a skirmish line across Iraq from east to west, start at the south, and then move north, killing every single person.

Just think, would you EVER stop fighting foreign invaders in the US? Would you even blink at cutting the heads off the cronies making money off the exploitation of our country while your family members are being killed by the occupiers, and your friends are getting tortured in prisons? Would you sell out to the Chinese and start making peace with them, or would you kill Americans who did that?

For five #ing seconds stop and put yourself in their shoes!

We made sure they didn't have WMDs and got rid of Saddam. War's over, right? Bring the boys home? Oh no, that was just the rationale to get our foot in the door. Now we're building permanent bases over there.

Think of the amount of money that's in that area. Billions upon billions. That's what this war is about, control of one of the richest areas of the planet. The amount of lies, lies, propaganda, and more damn lies about that area, what we are doing there, the people that live there, are enough to make me vomit. The violence that we cause over there, every American owns a piece of that violence.

Don't be weak and say that you are guiltless of the crimes of your nation - that's for losers. You and I are responsible for the invasion of that country and the death of every innocent involved because we're allowing our country to do it at least, and cheering them on at most. Disassociation of the actions of the group from the individual is the worst kind of hypocrisy that has enabled nations of civilized people to wage organized mass murder for millenia.

I hate this war, and I hate all wars, just as much as I'd hate to see a street murder in cold blood. How can it be un-American, un-patriotic to say so? Roosevelt himself said it, like this: "I... HATE... WAR!!!"

Stop portraying "Mujahadeen" a.k.a. people who intentionally storm a school and murder 300 children as heroes fighting a justified cause.

We all know you don't like America. It doesn't take a detective to figure that one out. Now, the same way I would denounce any American soldier who knowingly fired upon a civilian, I suggest you take the same step and denounce the subhuman tactics of this past week in Russia and the groups that planned it.

We'll all be closer to the same page at that point, don't you agree?

Originally posted by Djarums
Stop portraying "Mujahadeen" a.k.a. people who intentionally storm a school and murder 300 children as heroes fighting a justified cause.

We all know you don't like America. It doesn't take a detective to figure that one out. Now, the same way I would denounce any American soldier who knowingly fired upon a civilian, I suggest you take the same step and denounce the subhuman tactics of this past week in Russia and the groups that planned it.

We'll all be closer to the same page at that point, don't you agree?

Don't insult me, and don't twist my words. Once you can respond without doing those two things, we can talk.

I am not an american and I'm not from the middle east, so my opinion should be regarded as objective.

I can understand that americans on this thread are upset, and I can understand that Fanoose is upset.

Both camps have good reason to be. The trouble is emotion is getting in the way of the facts.

In the begining,Donald and Saddam were good friends. The U.S believed Iraq had WMD's because America gave them to him

That still doesn't give us trhe rights to use illegal WMD's like depleted uranium. Now some of you don't trust stories by Al Jazeera so I will balance the scale with testimony from a Gulf Veteran

The sad truth is that the "Coalition Of The Willing" doesn't give a sh@t about Iraqi civillians or it's own troops. To them, everybody is expendable.

This whole situation is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Whether the human race survives is anybodies guess.

Originally posted by SiCkBoY
Just like all the other Kodak moments to come out of this war, Ooh yea, that�s right, they were real.


"looking4clues"
"LOL Can you provide any evidence of "Western Terorists" Targeting Children? Or Perhaps what demands the "Western Terrorists" have made to stop such activity?"

did you see the bombs raining down on Iraq? Did you think no children lived in Iraq? or did you think they were all (not so smart) bombs?

Don't be a total fool.

Please provide Proof USA targets Children. Until you do... tell your mommy to keep the fools in your family tree.

Taibun, I was talking to the person who began this thread (Fanoose). I have no idea who you are or why the hell you think I'm talking to you but why not try taking back the fiery words. You know... the ones that were baseless and uncalled for. Then we can talk.

Try out this tip:

When exploding at people for posting something why not read the post itself and judge from the content who it was referring to. When it seems to you that the comments don't fit you, chances are they just might not have been directed at you.

I was at fault for not stating the member's name to whom I was referring, however I thought it was obvious considering the content of his statements. My apologies for being vague.

I'm sure you'll see the folly and take back the nasty stuff

P.S. To Sickboy, do you believe that a nation should be able to commit an infinite amount of horrors against civilians and not have to worry about retribution because children live in that country? Your statement comparing Animals intentionally storming a school and murdering kids to the US army dropping bombs and having a small number of civilian casualties is irresponsible and ill thought.

[edit on 9-6-2004 by Djarums]

Ok, sorry, I thought you were responding to me. Sorry about that. By coincidence referenced two things I'd made in other posts and also your post landed after my last one.

Originally posted by Djarums
Stop portraying "Mujahadeen" a.k.a. people who intentionally storm a school and murder 300 children as heroes fighting a justified cause.

We all know you don't like America. It doesn't take a detective to figure that one out. Now, the same way I would denounce any American soldier who knowingly fired upon a civilian, I suggest you take the same step and denounce the subhuman tactics of this past week in Russia and the groups that planned it.

We'll all be closer to the same page at that point, don't you agree?

1st, Dont tell me what to do or what not to do. I could easly say : Stop portraying "occupiers" a.k.a. people who intentionally bomb civilian's houses/villages and murder thousand of children as heroes fighting a justified moral cause.

2nd, The difference between me & you. Is that i stated previously that killing children is unacceptable by all means, its also considered a sin in Islam to do so. But you didnt state here nor anyware else that killing them is wrong.

3rd, If you gonna call when the american soldiers kill children as an unintentionally act, then simply i could point out that what happened in russia is unintentionally act too, whom ever started it didnt mean it he wanted to apply a pressure on the russia gov, but accidentally & unintentionally a bomb went on. the same as the subhuman tactics by the american soldiers who are boming houses of civilians who already know that these houses are filled with children on the hope that a fighter would be inside. . . its easy to make causes theses days much like the causes of WMD & the war on terror.

4th, If you didnt happen to know theres another topic similar to this one by bigal66, go read that one then come here and read this one. You will definitely know how hypocritical some members can be. They showed their sympathy on that topic becaues they are only small children but when i posted this one it turns out that it wasnt because they are children, but more like who was responsible.

5th, It might help to read this one:

• Chechen Separatists Say �Third Force� Behind Terrorist Attacks
  
• Russian school massacre faulted to Russian special forces
  

6th, If you want to be at least closer to the same page you can start by looking at your signature.

7th, You should know more about the russian terrorism before you even start posting. i've posted it here somewhere, but i guess i need to make it into a new post . . .

8th, Let me give you a tip; if you want to address your post to me again then you can use the quote feature made for that.

And here is a quick look at your so called moral values: (Some Graphics content there)

• Got a Quarter? I want to play "Murder, American Style!" (video)
  This recent footage (probably January 2004) was obtained by ABC news. It demonstrates just how aloof murder has become to US military forces in Iraq (and, you wonder why the suicide rate is up).
  
  It is claimed that the three humans shown in the footage are insurgents. Well, if the war is over, then they are guilty of crimes. The US government is spending a small fortune in an effort to establish a judicial system in Iraq. Perhaps the solution should be to maintain surveillance, contact ground forces and arrest these �perpetrators�. Instead, the two pilots on this Apache AH-64 helicopter (see Apache Down ), perhaps with encouragement from some remote observer, administer �justice� in a way that has become common in this �high tech war�.
  
  The weapon of choice is a 30mm cannon (each shell is over an inch in diameter) with a very high rate of fire. You can see the destructive force, quite clearly.
  
  As you watch the following footage, note how the injured person is given �no mercy�, in fact, the one voice insists that he be taken out before the second vehicle.
  
  Is there any wonder that the Iraqis are turning against �their saviors�?
  
  
  
• Murder, American Style - Shoot them while they're down (video)
  Rules of war; reason and humanity provide that if an enemy is down, injured and incapable of causing you harm, you derive the greatest benefit by capturing a prisoner of war. This provides intelligence information; is how you would prefer to be treated, and fits, very well, the character of America, as we would all like to envision it.
  
  This assumes that you know if the injured person is an enemy soldier, though that cannot be ascertained by the video you are about to see.
  
  ay close attention to what is coming. You should, as an American, be appalled by the blatant -- and gleeful -- murder of another human being that posed no threat, at all, to the jubilant murderer.
  
  
  
• American Soldiers Will Live With The Memory Of Killing Iraqi Civilians For A Lifetime
  
  This is a real report about our troops by Bob Graham titled "I Just Pull The Trigger." Sergeant First Class John Meadows revealed the mindset that has led to hundreds of innocent Iraqi civilians being killed alongside fighters deliberately dressed in civilian clothes. "You can't distinguish between who's trying to kill you and who's not" he said. "Like, the only way to get through s*** like that was to concentrate on getting through it by killing as many people as you can, people you know are trying to kill you. Killing them first and getting home."
  
  Sgt. Meadows said men under his command had been seeking help for severe depression: "They've already seen psychiatrists and the chain of command has got letters back saying these men need to be taken out of this situation, but nothing's happened."
  
  Sgt. Meadows goes on to say " For me, it's like snap-shot photos. Like pictures of maggots on tongues, babies with their heads on the ground, men with their heads halfway off and their eyes wide open and mouths wide open. I see it every day, every single day. The smells and the torso burning, the entire route up to Baghdad, from 20 March to 7 April, nothing but burning bodies."
  
  Specialist Anthony Castillo, "We're more angry at the generals who are making these decisions and who never hit the ground and who don't get shot at or have to look at the bloody bodies and the burnt out bodies and the dead babies and all that kinda stuff." Sgt. Quinones added, "Most of these soldiers are in their early twenties and late teens. They've seen, in less than a month more than any man should see in a whole lifetime. It's time for us to go home."
  
  The American media keeps this hidden from us. These words by American troops will never see the pages of an American newspaper as it might upset those pushing for this war and nobody in the American media, wants to upset potential voters for President Bush. The British citizens must be made of stauncher stuff that our fellow citizens or maybe because they were attacked for several years in WW II there is no need to try and hide what war is really like. People in Britain already know, only the American public is clueless about the horror of what we are doing to our troops and the Iraqi people.
  
  
  
• US troops turn botched Saddam raid into a massacre
  It appears the killings started as the troops were searching the building and as motorists approached the barbed wire which the soldiers had placed without warning across the road. Witnesses said the first car contained at least two men. "The second contained two children about 10, their mother and their father who had been wounded in the Iran-Iraq war � he was a cripple," a local shopkeeper told me. "They all died. The man's legs were cut in half by the bullets," he added. A third car then approached the Americans, who opened fire again. One of the occupants fled, but the other two remained in the vehicle and were killed. When another car arrived US troops riddled it with more bullets and it burst into flames. It is believed that two people were inside and both were burnt to death. "The Americans didn't try to help the civilians they had shot, not once," a witness said. "They let the car burn and left the bodies where they lay, even the children. It was we who had to take them to the hospitals." . . . Continu reading.
  
  
  
• Killing of women and children enrages Arabs
  CAIRO - The killing of seven women and children by U.S. troops in Iraq has enraged Arabs, already incensed by what they see as a Western war on Arabs and Muslims...Continu reading.
  

I see... so Iraqi children dying because of a known tactic of putting civilians next to military targets Equals storming a school intentionally.

I don't think we need to debate this further. You still aren't getting that months of planning went into the school attack and that the location was picked VERY intentionally.

I'm not saying the kids who died in the American attacks on Iraq are worthless. I'm demonstrating the difference between such deaths and others which are specifically planned to kill kids.

The American army did not drop bombs on Iraq saying "Well who cares about the military installations, let's go for the kindergardens."

The Terrorists in Russia however, did.

I simply do not see anything further in this equation.

Wake up and read my other posts. I'm not insulting Islam or Muslims. I'm insulting extremist groups that carry out barbaric acts of murder. If there is further cause for debate of this, I don't see it.

If it makes you happy to consider me someone who's anti-Muslim, and you'd like to disregard my hundreds of other posts proving otherwise, enjoy yourself. It's your illusion.

In your posts you have done a great job showing yourself to be rabidly anti american and a bit on the hostile side to anyone who disagrees with your anti american stance so I'm taking a gamble here in hoping you'll consider such points objectively. Hey it's worth a shot.

One other note. You like to throw the blame at the Russian government for botching the operation and causing all the deaths.

Perhaps you can explain to me what the hell they were doing there in the first place?

Oh and thank you for the tip on the quoting. I've been using this particular board for nearly 2 years and am quite familiar with how to quote. As soon as I find something worth quoting I assure you I'll do it. For unresearched, slanted hate spew I consider references enough. If you don't like my posting style feel free to ignore me.

Time to re-rack the 9-11 footage and augment it with morgue photos of the victims after they were dug out of the rubble!!!

Lets just agree that violence is exactly that violent.
and viewing it can be and is disturbing.

War is violent, messy and imprecise...even with lazer guided bombs.

Do yourself a favor, protect the innocent in the middle east...turn in the radical terrorists.
give us bin laden

or sit back and do nothing to help the situation but whine about it.

Sometimes i feel this thread is like a dejavo!
The replies are repeated over & over .. i've answered it, replied to it but they keep posting the damn draft over & over. . . its really hard to continue with such fusty attitudes an attitude that would accuse you of being terrorist/anti-american if you are an anti-occupation and if you don't "agree with me then you're against me" and admit your mistakes and that you're bad but i won't admit mine & will consider my self a good person, an attitude that would mix honey with poison; making it sweet but deadly like i'm not anti-islam but i'll bash it anyway. . .Sigh...

Last statement on this because I've become quite bored with it.

Fanoose, if you believe that by trashing extremists I am trashing Islam then you are the one dragging Islam through the mud not me.

In all of my posts I make sure to specifically state that my comments are directed at extremists only.

I have no interest in elaborating further as the only other thing I could do is perhaps post a picture of which person I am talking about every time I speak.

You dislike the American government and criticize its policies. Does that mean you despise all Americans? I don't think so, and I would hope not. Consider it the same here.

Hi to all of you.

fanoose ,you work for talibans & co. OCCUPEZ TOI DE TES FECES!!!

In the second video, I get the distinct impression from the kid that he doesn't believe what he is saying. He'll carry his true feelings with him to the grave.

Here's an opinion column by Ahmed Al-Jarallah Editor-in-Chief, the Arab Times. Enjoy

WE are with President Bush who has said, "I am the man who makes history." Who, other than President Bush, can launch a war against terrorism? Who else will come to the rescue of people suppressed by dictators? Who else was there to build and develop nations? and above all who made democracy the new international system for all the people in this world?

Full Story-Arab Times



[edit on 8-9-2004 by KillerD]

Originally posted by Djarums

The American army did not drop bombs on Iraq saying "Well who cares about the military installations, let's go for the kindergardens."

You can't possibly know this for a fact, now can you?

I'm not trying to say that every military action by the US is about killing civilians on purpose. However, it may have occured that in order to save time, the military skipped the extra intelligence that would have been necessary and dropped the bomb right away. It MAY BE that this is done on a regular basis. You don't know. Your guys are not always the good ones.

a few things

1. if you looked at the video of the russian school and saw all teh explosives, dont tell me that was avoidable, send in delta force with gunkahs, noway that could of been avoidable. the fact is it was wrong, but as we all know religion is the root of all evil, and extremeist will be extremeist.
www.freerepublic.com...

2. if you need me i will pop out pictures of people writing on bombs since WWII, its a common ritual if you will, and just because innocents will be unintentionally killed, like WWII, it didnt stop them from keeping there moral high, which im sure the last thing a soldier does is think of how many innocents ima kill with this bomb.

3. war is in fact hell, and casualties on all sides will happen, thats a given, fortunetly now the iraqi people do not have to sit on bedsprings with electrical current going through it, or be hung from a fan and have there legs held while there back is broken.

4. now imo we went to war with the right reasons, but with the wrong retard president that gave us false reason, yet if they were true id say yes on war, which i did until i relised i was lied out my ass. no doubt he is in this for more then just saddam/WMD/etc.

5. get a more reliable source then aljazeera, thats a joke, and makes me laugh you listen to that propoganda, just like i do not look at main stream news agencies for info.

thats all

[edit on 9/8/2004 by Zach]

Who are these hippies? People die all the time. Are you hippies crying for the dead innocents over there in Iraq? Do you drive cars that use oil and gasoline? Do you flip on lights in your house that are powered by oil? Do you hippies really give a s h i t about the Iraqi's plight? I don't care about them and I'm not afraid to say it. Better them then us. Do you hippies think the half-assed invasion of Afghanistan was a crime? Do you hippies think the Holocaust and 911 never happened. Dont tell me ousting Saddam was not part of The War on Terror. Say anything but that because saying that is stupider then partial-birth abortion.