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Originally posted by charles1952
I'm not sure I can agree with one of your statements, NoHierarchy.
Because union influence on politicians is nowhere near as big a problem. Period. They are out-spent and out-corrupted by hundreds of times by large corporations.
I think you'll have a difficult time coming up with evidence to support that position.
In the last elections AFSCME was the largest spender in the country at a little under 100 million (and it wasn't even a presidential year), and three of the top five donors were unions. (The other two being SEIU and NEA). Remember also, that Obama spent about twice as much as McCain in 2008.
But I'm certainly willing to see your evidence that unions "are out-spent and out-corrupted by hundreds of times by large corporations."
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by NoHierarchy
Because union influence on politicians is nowhere near as big a problem. Period. They are out-spent and out-corrupted by hundreds of times by large corporations. And hell... SOMEONE has to stick up for workers' rights against private plutocrats/tycoons.
It's influence on politicians in defiance of the People. No different from corporate influence at all.
Buying votes is buying votes.
Why can workers not stick up for their own rights? I've been doing it for years - what makes them any weaker than me?
Top 10 Heavy Hitters:
AT&T Inc $47,737,462
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $46,366,658
National Assn of Realtors $40,823,776
Service Employees International Union $37,634,117
National Education Assn $37,146,129
Goldman Sachs $36,046,453
American Assn for Justice $35,021,304
Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $34,445,372
Laborers Union $32,096,950
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
That's right ATS.....we have failed!
What may amount to being the only chance we had at changing the way we live and govern ourselves is quickly fading into the history books as a mear footnote of tragedy.
Many of you tossed the Occupy movements to the side as a political inconvenience and ridiculed the people that were willing to take a stand on principle. These people didn't want to enact a liberal socialist regime that took away capitalism and individual freedoms! They wanted a small glimpse of hope that their future would be brighter than the inside of a corporate cubical or less depressing than an unemployment line.
But when the American people needed an intelligent group of people to help formulate ideas and actions that would be effective, we sat back and called them names; pointed fingers and grimiced at the thought of actually having to step away from our keyboards and put actions behind the very words spoken on this website. The collective knowledge we possess here would have been an invaluble asset to aid in the change we all know is needed.
We can talk about change, but it now will fall on the deaf ears of those that know we are all talk......no game. By our own inaction we have labeled ourselves hypocrits. We no longer have a leg to stand on as the opportunity to act has come, and is slowly passing into the folds of American history.
To those whom did and are taking a stand, I commend you.
To those who sat idly by afraid of dirty hippies and socialists: We could have used your help. You knowledge and insight would have been invaluble in a movement where all Americans needed to toss aside the petty differences and stood together as Americans......as humans.
But it looks as though we are going to fail. It looks as though the NWO police state is one step closer.
The fears of an entire country; better yet, an entire planet may come to fruition.
We should be ashamed of ourselves. We should have done more.
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