ATS: We Have Failed!

That's right ATS.....we have failed!

What may amount to being the only chance we had at changing the way we live and govern ourselves is quickly fading into the history books as a mear footnote of tragedy.

Many of you tossed the Occupy movements to the side as a political inconvenience and ridiculed the people that were willing to take a stand on principle. These people didn't want to enact a liberal socialist regime that took away capitalism and individual freedoms! They wanted a small glimpse of hope that their future would be brighter than the inside of a corporate cubical or less depressing than an unemployment line.

But when the American people needed an intelligent group of people to help formulate ideas and actions that would be effective, we sat back and called them names; pointed fingers and grimiced at the thought of actually having to step away from our keyboards and put actions behind the very words spoken on this website. The collective knowledge we possess here would have been an invaluble asset to aid in the change we all know is needed.

We can talk about change, but it now will fall on the deaf ears of those that know we are all talk......no game. By our own inaction we have labeled ourselves hypocrits. We no longer have a leg to stand on as the opportunity to act has come, and is slowly passing into the folds of American history.

To those whom did and are taking a stand, I commend you.

To those who sat idly by afraid of dirty hippies and socialists: We could have used your help. You knowledge and insight would have been invaluble in a movement where all Americans needed to toss aside the petty differences and stood together as Americans......as humans.

But it looks as though we are going to fail. It looks as though the NWO police state is one step closer.

The fears of an entire country; better yet, an entire planet may come to fruition.

We should be ashamed of ourselves. We should have done more.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


Apathy is reek in western society. Don't blame us though, the elite have done a very good job in "preoccupying" (pun intended) our minds.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


You know why it failed. Because everyone believed Hollywood.

'Inside Job' stuck the blame on Wallstreet and Big banks.

The real culprits are the Federal Reserve. It should have been 'End the Fed' from the beginning.

That is why it failed. They are directing their efforts in the wrong direction.

Maybe the whole idea was to give us a false voice. Only to crush our hopes and make sure we understand we are bottom of the ladder.

reply to post by LightAssassin


It's only failed so long as you're willing to surrender yourself. I'm as guilty as anybody else here. It sucks, feeling like your trapped in a little dark corner in a sea of inifinity. Its depressing knowing everything you were told growing up was pretty much just a lie that would convince you to give all that you really have so a few thousands Dbags, playing a ponzi scheme on the entire world, enjoying the greatest that life currently has to give, consistently cashing in when everybody else gets screwed backwards. Knowing that paying taxes to your government is kind of like being forced to pay those mobsters down the street $500/week for store's "security" that is conveniently located on "their turf". When I look at OWS I saw a chance for humans to overcome the mental divisions we have created between ourselves and realize, hey, to much of our "free" society, is dictated by these bastards who have let their greed drive them, quite literally, well beyond the range of what would be considered sane, in my opinion. Like come on people, we're all on the same side!

reply to post by LightAssassin


Maybe it should have been an "end the Fed" movement along with banks and government corruption, but did you go to your local Occupy and tell them that? Did you take the chance to have your input?

reply to post by sheepslayer247


Why is it over if you don't want it to be over? Nobody is telling anyone not to protest. If you feel that strongly about it, get your tarp and get back out there.

A couple of weeks, in cities where food is nearby, weather is pretty nice, where folks could go home and take a shower, a nap if they want and you're all calling it quits? You think that sitting on some street for a few weeks chanting tunes and holding signs is going to upset the entrenched power structure?

Get real. Nobody failed but the folks who are already accepting failure.

From the bits on TV where these folks have been interviewed, its pretty clear that the majority are pretty accustomed to failure.

Intelligent people know better than to waste their time sitting around parks waiting for some miracle to occur.

Nothing will come of this event except 1000s of people with brand new arrest records. Wall Street remains unaffected. The banks remain unaffected.... besides BoA's withdrawn fees. That might have been the biggest accomplishment of this whole movement.... saving $5 per transaction. A victory, but not nearly the victory that they aimed for.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


But how could little old me stand against the man, he is soooo big and this new phone I got is so neat, and all of these shiny pieces of plastic, and the modern comforts...
/end sarcasm
Yeah people got comfortable and were cowed.
The easy way has pretty much now passed and the only other avenue from that is the hard bloody one.
More pawn on pawn violence as a rich guy finances it.
Suckers.

reply to post by sheepslayer247
So "Occupy" was our only hope?

Get real.

Occupy was a construct, an idea created by Van Jones, adbusters, unions. . . .it was a "gimmick".

After 10 weeks, you're ready to give it an eulogy.
*sob*
*weep*

If a cause is great, if a cause is just, then opponents means nothing. That's what we Tea Party folks say. We've been labeled by progressives, by dems, by idiots for years!

Hasn't stopped us.

But OWS gets poo-poo'd and it's time to throw in the towel? If that's the case, then maybe myself and others who didn't throw in with this movement were right.

reply to post by LightAssassin


The Federal Reserve runs the banks in America, as it is the central bank.

But you have a point.

We should be going after groups like the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the Central Banking networks.

Well, actually I have been going after them.

I will always be ready to educate people about those organizations.

I think the failure started long before now. I'm thinking of the Tea Party. That was (is?) a citizen movement that wanted to clean up government, end the fed, and restore individual liberty. My quick use of the the search function shows that a lot of people on ATS mocked the Tea Party, had no use for it.

If one mocks a people's movement because they have ties to conservatives, one shouldn't be surprised when a people's movement with ties to liberals (actually pick a word a little further left than liberal) gets mocked.

ATS missed it's chance two years ago, not two months ago.

reply to post by beezzer


I haven't given up, even though my local Occupy is dwindling away. I am still participating. What I am saying is that we could have done more and supported change.

ATS would have been an asset to coordinate ideas and spread them to each of our local Occupy's.

reply to post by sheepslayer247



I think you are completely clueless as to why people on here can't fully get behind "Occupy" (and "Anonymous", as well..)- it's not the message people are against-it's the method-think about it....

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
Intelligent people know better than to waste their time sitting around parks waiting for some miracle to occur.

Nothing will come of this event except 1000s of people with brand new arrest records. Wall Street remains unaffected. The banks remain unaffected.... besides BoA's withdrawn fees. That might have been the biggest accomplishment of this whole movement.... saving $5 per transaction. A victory, but not nearly the victory that they aimed for.

This is just the beginning, right now awareness is a reasonable gain.

The more people that become aware of the system and it's true goal, to keep everyone in chains, than the better off we will be.

You are right that we have not accomplished much yet, but the future still awaits.

We need to educate people to 'vote with their $$$' and stop putting $ into corporations that conduct business in questionable ways.

Who controls our government? The corporations. If we cut out their bottom line $ they will lose their clout slowly but surely.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

You know why it failed. Because everyone believed Hollywood.

'Inside Job' stuck the blame on Wallstreet and Big banks.

The real culprits are the Federal Reserve. It should have been 'End the Fed' from the beginning.

That is why it failed. They are directing their efforts in the wrong direction.

Maybe the whole idea was to give us a false voice. Only to crush our hopes and make sure we understand we are bottom of the ladder.

Correct! The target should be the FR (first focus)!!!

While ever the FR exists then things will never change!

Talking about change and supporting a movement are two separate things. If you have cancer you arent going to throw your life in the hands of the first guy who walks by and says I can cure that.

I think my biggest problem with OWS and its supporters is they assume that they speak for all of those who dont belong to the ultra rich. They are utterly dumbfounded when other middle and lower class people dont want to join them. As a movement it is something different I will give it that. However, just because you spout 99% doesnt mean you actually represent the 99%. I can walk around with a sign that says I am the Libyan resistance but that doesnt mean anyone over there wants or accepts my claim. I realize there is some diversity in OWS but I look at the photos and interviews from there and I cant say that I want many of those people representing me or my beliefs. I have a few people I know from grade school that have gotten really deep into this whole thing and when I look at their beliefs I'd run the other way. When I see OWS I dont see any real solutions other than rich people shouldnt have money and the protestors should get that money...or free education or free health care, etc. It seems to me to be the same message that fringe college students and their professors have been shouting since the 60's except now they say they represent us all. I see tons of filthy people who have ruined parks and caused disruptions for nothing. I see a bunch of people who like to compare themselves to the founding fathers but dont have any grasp on how bad things could be before there will be a popular rebellion. And most of all I see people who just like to protest. If we all threw our support behind OWS regardless of ideology then what. If we topple the govt then what, we face a civil war to see who is going to be in control and what ideas will be in power....yea I'm good on that

reply to post by beezzer

But OWS gets poo-poo'd and it's time to throw in the towel? If that's the case, then maybe myself and others who didn't throw in with this movement were right.

What are you waiting for with this movement? What do you expect to be new and different after the 2 month mark? They are doing the same thing they did in the 1st week and getting the same results.

It's not about one extreme or the other, throwing in the towel and quitting is a bad idea with a large group like this "ready to go"... key word, "go"... go to Dick Cheney's house, G. Dubya's, the CEOs responsible in their respected corporations that helped this recession/depression come into being.

Sitting around parks gets a big from me.

Going after the criminals, arresting them, having trials for them... , I'm all on board for that, sign me up.

reply to post by Skippy1138


And my point was why weren't more of us out there helping them use the right methods?

Wait, is this some kind of pathetic attempt to blame ATS members for the failures of the occupy movement?

Seriously?

You should blame the lack of vocal and very public leadership and clear message that would speak to and for ALL Americans.



By the way, today was for the most part peaceful, with some minor problems and a few arrests, I'd call that a success for everyone on all sides.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I agree with you as usual.

The more people that become aware of the system and it's true goal, to keep everyone in chains, than the better off we will be.

Maybe I'm just ahead of the curve and have been aware and waiting for my chance to storm the gates with pitchforks and torches for many years now and can't comprehend how so many people still have no clue who to go after or what to really do about this crisis, and bigger crisis on it's way.

I'm pumped and ready to grab these criminals hands on, I'm not pumped about sitting around parks freezing my jingle bells off all Winter waiting for results without action towards that.