Occupy Portland Prepares For War

For all those poser Patriots:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Now think hard i know its gonna be tough where does it say "Wall street"?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness .

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The right to arm to what ends? Government.

Yeah Jefferson said a lot that seems to be dimissed by OWS and their "strawman army".

Originally posted by TheMindWar
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

The constitution states they have the right to bear arms and live like free people. The poloce have "no rights" whatsoever to intervien. The people have the god given right to take up arms as they see fit, period. Damn, Good for them!

Anybody condoning Violent revolution is crazy.

Be careful what you wish for,unless you want history to repeat itself.

If and when this country is ready for true change,it will be peaceful,and not under a OWS banner,nor a socialist one,or Communist one.

Instead of thousands,you will see MILLIONS of Americans in the streets. Not camping,or occupying,but marching and demanding immediate resignations from all those opposed to our freedoms....and rights.

This is my take on it,and my MHO...............

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by nick112


"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
--Thomas Jefferson

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom."
Patrick Henry

"If we wish to be free; if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending; if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained—we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms, and to the God of hosts, is all that is left us."
--Patrick Henry

reply to post by sonnny1


Actually.. the Revolutionary War was considered "crazy" by the majority of the population, farmers and militiamen against the most powerful army in the World..

And only about 1/3 of the population actually supported the Revolution .. so ... not entirely impossible.

I highly doubt OWS would ever be much more than a simple protest, much like the Tea Party (who through Democracy have brought about ..... absolutely nothing but a new corrupt caucus in Congress...) But the probability that a violent revolution/civil war occurring within the United States at some point in our future is very high.

Reminds me of an awesome song..

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by TheMindWar
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

The constitution states they have the right to bear arms and live like free people. The poloce have "no rights" whatsoever to intervien. The people have the god given right to take up arms as they see fit, period. Damn, Good for them!

Anybody condoning Violent revolution is crazy.

Be careful what you wish for,unless you want history to repeat itself.

If and when this country is ready for true change,it will be peaceful,and not under a OWS banner,nor a socialist one,or Communist one.

Instead of thousands,you will see MILLIONS of Americans in the streets. Not camping,or occupying,but marching and demanding immediate resignations from all those opposed to our freedoms....and rights.

This is my take on it,and my MHO...............

"Be careful what you wish for,unless you want history to repeat itself."

1776

If we don't repeat that, we get 1984.

"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." TJ

If you don't think the founding fathers would support revolution, then you probably don't actually think at all.

Live free or die. I don't mind those two options because either way I have my faith.

Originally posted by nick112

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by nick112


"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
--Thomas Jefferson

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom."
Patrick Henry

"If we wish to be free; if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending; if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained—we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms, and to the God of hosts, is all that is left us."
--Patrick Henry

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom."
Patrick Henry


corrupted public conscience comes to mind........................

The police HATE competition be wary for where you tread egos are challenged.

Originally posted by CREAM



If you don't think the founding fathers would support revolution, then you probably don't actual think at all.

I agree wholeheartedly..........but not OWS style......That IS the point.

A handful of protesters,readying themselves for Violent Revolution?


Thats not going to change a thing.

reply to post by sonnny1


The core issues of OWS WILL lead to conflict within this country if they are not resolved. I'm not talking about the socialist bantering and the communist revelers or the anarchist children..

I'm talking about

Corrupt politicians..
Misappropriating public funds to private institutions
Bribes
Government sanctioned immoral banking practices
Inflation
Manipulation of public funds to special interest groups
Wealth disparity
Using inflation and public funds to bailout foreign countries
Lack of employment
Underemployment
Personal debt
Cost of tuition

I'm fairly conservative (ok ok .. pretty damn conservative) And I'd gladly fight side by side a "Socialist" just to tear down these institutions that have raped the public of their dignity.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by nick112

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by nick112


"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
--Thomas Jefferson

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom."
Patrick Henry

"If we wish to be free; if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending; if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained—we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms, and to the God of hosts, is all that is left us."
--Patrick Henry

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom."
Patrick Henry


corrupted public conscience comes to mind........................

I hear you, and I don't disagree. My point isn't to advocate violent revolution as a means to bring about change. However, like the founding fathers said, it shouldn't be ruled out as an extreme measure when absolutely necessary.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Actually.. the Revolutionary War was considered "crazy" by the majority of the population, farmers and militiamen against the most powerful army in the World..

And only about 1/3 of the population actually supported the Revolution .. so ... not entirely impossible.

Sorry Rock,but this OWS Revolution,is NOTHING like 1776.

Heck,Ron Pauls Revolution has a better chance at Change.

Originally posted by nick112


I hear you, and I don't disagree. My point isn't to advocate violent revolution as a means to bring about change. However, like the founding fathers said, it shouldn't be ruled out as an extreme measure when absolutely necessary.

Then Nick,we agree. I also wouldnt rule it out,but when it comes to OWS supporters against Police,I dont see a Revolution,armed or otherwise changing the political,moral,or even the financial fabric of America.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Actually.. the Revolutionary War was considered "crazy" by the majority of the population, farmers and militiamen against the most powerful army in the World..

And only about 1/3 of the population actually supported the Revolution .. so ... not entirely impossible.

Sorry Rock,but this OWS Revolution,is NOTHING like 1776.

Heck,Ron Pauls Revolution has a better chance at Change.

I am a Ron Paul supporter, but when most of the country believes the propaganda of the government and media, he will not be elected. We've seen on ATS the polls that have been censored. So, we must take matters into our own hands now.

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


Indebted to the government (in my case California)... if we don't pay our property tax they take your home, don't pay car registration they make it a criminal act to drive with expired registration.

We owe the State money every year for things we supposely own or they take it away.

in·debt·ed/inˈdetid/Adjective: 1.Owing money.
2.Owing gratitude for a service or favor: "indebted to her".

The amount of tax, levies, fees, miscellaneous charges, we pay is rediculous.

reply to post by GoldenVoyager

The amount of tax, levies, fees, miscellaneous charges, we pay is rediculous.

Amen to that! The list of taxes, fees, fines, levies, assessments and regulation exceeds even the worst of anything the British ever imposed on us a thousand times over. That doesn't even include the taxation without representation -- the Federal Reserves inflationary policies eroding our earning power.

It was going to come to this because the police have set the precedent for violence.

Self defense is a right. Come prepared but do not attack unless you are attacked. Otherwise, remain calm and watch out for the provacs who will attemp to start things off with m-cocktails and property destruction.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


These people are anarchist, not peaceful protesters. Some are transplants from the G20 Summit protests, as well as the Egypt Revolution, and their goal is violent clashing. They think if they do all this, they can force us into a socialist state via violence. Many are leftist radicals with the intent to completely change our Constitution and our system into their Socialist Utopia. Since the communists are also involved, it is likely that complete communist revolution is behind this. These people are not mainstream America or even just people down on their luck. They are violent revolutionaries and many just downright nasty. The crimes, the lice, the Stds, murders, rapes, and even hypocrisy since they don't want to share their free food with the homeless....

Originally posted by illuminatislave
It was going to come to this because the police have set the precedent for violence.

The police would much rather be doing their usual regular jobs, or having more time at home with their families.

OWS demands their presence, wants to provoke them, and wants martyrs to use in a media campaign and on the internet to push their agendas, and to demonize law enforcement even more than they already have.

The restraint they have shown will break down eventually, people will likely be hurt... And ultimately it wont change a damned thing.

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reply to post by nick112


As long as these protesters are advocating Big govt, nanny statism, a permanent welfare class, income redistribution, democratic socialism, and unrealistic spending sprees and entitlements, they will not be free. How dare they want to impose the tyranny of the Totalitarian State on an unwilling populace(think Pelosi and her demand that Congress pass bills before they know what is in them, just so they can ram their communist agenda through. Yah I said Communism, because communism and socialism are inextricably linked.

reply to post by CREAM


I suppose...if you think a Totalitarian State is freedom....I certainly don't. Are you hoping Sharia Law will part of this picture?