Occupy Portland Prepares For War

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by illuminatislave
It was going to come to this because the police have set the precedent for violence.

The police would much rather be doing their usual regular jobs, or having more time at home with their families.

OWS demands their presence, wants to provoke them, and wants martyrs to use in a media campaign and on the internet to push their agendas, and to demonize law enforcement even more than they already have.

The restraint they have shown will break down eventually, people will likely be hurt... And ultimately it wont change a damned thing.

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The OWS does not demand their presence, we would like to have a peaceful revolution but we were not given that choice. One of the the most foolish excuses I've seen in this thread. The law enforcment should be demonized for their opposition to the constitution.

Where does the women provoke a beating in this video?
www.youtube.com...

Ok, yeah, just what I thought. Tell me beating a girl is cool to my face. You'll be one of the cowards that hides in his home when violence breaks out.

reply to post by nick112



The OWS have to stop spewing democratic socialism and nanny statism before I would join their fight. Not that I like Big banks, I just don't want socialism. Socialism is contrary to the Independent thinking of our Founding Fathers.

reply to post by neo96

For all those poser Patriots:

You just really really don't get it. At all.


You're scraping the bottom of the barrel now, trying to argue semantics basically, and turn this into some inane "patriot" pissing contest??

I mean, I'm not even American, but apparently I can interpret your own Constitution better than you:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

Any. Form. of Government.

Do you seriously not understand that Wall Street ("Wall Street" itself being a metaphor for the entirely corrupt, oppressive, megalomaniacal financial system) has infiltrated, usurped, and become the Government - not just in America - but across the entire so-called "free" World?


You are trying to hijack virtually every thread - on a conspiracy website of all places - into some superficial anti-government rant, and yet you seem to have absolutely NO CLUE what modern government is, or how it works.



Everyone else here with even half a clue seems to understand that "the government" has long been thoroughly hijacked by special interest groups, lobbyists, banksters, the rich and powerful, not to mention whatever other shadowy figures have probably been around since forefather days.

These are the people that control the money, the resources, and thus the entire global economy. That means they are the ones that control you and me. They are the Government.


They buy off politicians. They control democracy by controlling the media. They do everything in their own self interest and preservation while subjugating the masses into deeper and deeper debt and wage slavery to pay off their lavish lifestyles.


Meanwhile the stiffs that get "elected" into public office are just puppets that do their bidding. And if any of them step out of line and start actually representing the people - they get branded "crazy commies", so ##SNIPPED## can automatically come to the elitist rescue without even stopping to think what it is you're fighting for or against.



So you're here constantly chastising everyone for directing their attention at the wrong people, when it's actually YOU who's got their sights BLINDLY trained on nothing but a decoy.



You think anything's going to change if you just get rid of the puppet show?


These people are the ones constantly advocating smaller government simply because it means less puppets for them to have to pay off. Meanwhile they will continue to own you same as they have from day 1. This is what we're protesting, this is what we're all, FINALLY, standing against.

We're trying to cut the snake off at it's head, while you're busy blithely chasing some useless piece of string.

So maybe instead of trying to prove what an authentic "patriot" you are by quoting the Constitution, you should try reading between the lines for a change. Put the FOX News down for 10 minutes and just think for yourself for once.



Deny. Ignorance.

reply to post by CREAM


You don't get it, violence is exactly what the true organizers have wanted from the beginning here.

It will accomplish absolutely nothing for the movement, the majority of people are NOT with this movement, that should be painfully obvious by now, and if not, get out in the real world and away from the collective and see for yourselves.

OWS is an extreme minority.

They aren't fighting for the people, only for themselves and ultimately for an agenda and vague cause that was never actually theirs to begin with.

When it all goes down, the painful realization of how isolated they actually were is going to really suck for them.

But hey, let them have their fun.

Best of luck to all involved.


By the way, I wont be cowering in my home, I'll be busy, on the road as usual trying to make a living and pay my taxes, and maybe do some Christmas shopping along the way... Otherwise, I really do not care about what happens with these protests, their war, or the movement... Frankly, as a nation and people we've got very real serious problems and threats to face in the near future, far more important and worthy of attention and preparations than anything to do with this godforsaken "movement"

Originally posted by mc_squared

I mean, I'm not even American, but apparently I can interpret your own Constitution better than you:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

Any. Form. of Government.

Apparently not. Because that's not from the Constitution. That phrase is from the Declaration of Independence.

And there is a huge difference between the two.

reply to post by Momus


Like I said - I'm not even American, so please accept my most sincere Rick-Perry-style "ooops".


The point still stands however, no matter how much people want to nit-pick irrelevant details.

reply to post by Rockpuck


interesting OP, Monsieur Robespierre,
or was it Herr Weishaupt? i forget... one of those "Illuminists"

looking forward to the spilling of blood upon the altars of the State, aren't we now?

Originally posted
reply to post by by mc_squared

 

I understand that people are getting upset here, it's too bad that I'm such a dull and boring guy, if I wasn't I could join right in.

I mean, I'm not even American, but apparently I can interpret your own Constitution better than you

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

Any. Form. of Government.

It may be that you are able to interpret the Constitution better than any one else, but how are we to know? YOU QUOTED THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

Do you want to secede? Declare your independence? Go ahead. The South tried.

Oh, you want to stay part of the country? Then follow its laws and procedures. You don't like them? Then change them peacefully as they have been changed before. You don't like peacefully? Then announce to the world that you are for violent overthrow of the government. After all, as you posted:

You think anything's going to change if you just get rid of the puppet show?

So it's not just getting rid of our government it is the idea to replace it with a different form of government.

These people are the ones constantly advocating smaller government simply because it means less puppets for them to have to pay off.

Oh, I see you don't want to overthrow the government, you think it would be good if it were larger, or maybe both; overthrow the government, then replace it with a bigger government.

Certainly what you must want is a government large enough to control the entire private property system of the country.

I apologize for my dullness.

First off, let me say I disagree with about 75% of what the "typical" OWS'er stands for.

However, I applaud anyone standing up to the gang of blue.

If someone bashes your friends head, bash their in.

Someone swings a baton at you, swing a bigger one harder.

They bring in reinforcements, you bring in more.

And NEVER go to a gunfight without a gun.
As a matter of fact, bring a gun to a knife fight, just in case.

If OWS'ers move with that attitude, they might be surprised who shows up as their reinforcements.

Why are so many people angry about this? Personally I'm glad OWS is standing up to the police. I disagree with most of the things they say and I'm not a fan of the movement but this is definitely a good thing.

Originally posted by targeting
Why are so many people angry about this? Personally I'm glad OWS is standing up to the police. I disagree with most of the things they say and I'm not a fan of the movement but this is definitely a good thing.

We shall see when they declare martial law

CRY HAVOC! And Let slip the dogs of war! And then clean up the garbage that is OWS... Should have been done a while ago. I can't abide a movement that embraces anarchists. The moment they allowed and protected these savages they lost ALL credibility. Go Home! or accept the consequences.

yup amtrak isfairly cheap or you could just ride the bus ?

Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

Finally took to my advice on shields. What they need to do is make a wall with shields and to have staffs/ unsharpened spears. This will make a nearly impenetrable defense,

Against rubber bullets, sure. But when faced with real resistance LEOs will put away the fake ammo, and start using big boy toys. We'll see if OWS is really dedicated or not if this goes down.

/TOA

Originally posted by neo96
I have no respect for these people preparing for war? shelids? molotov cock tails? etc.

No that stupidity needs to end now.

I usually wouldn't star you ( as you are one of the elite) but in this instance I think it is insane and a really stupid idea to take this peaceful protest and turn it into a war.

You have no rights. You were told that you have rights so that you could subsequently be told that someone was trying to take them away.

Welcome to the Colosseum.

On the one side we have the protesters who have been conditioned to protest. No, it was not your idea to protest. That idea was implanted within you. On the other side we have law enforcement who have been conditioned to beat the hell out of what they have been told are rabble who desire to upset the order. The Romans have hurled these two groups at one another. Bread and circuses.

I choose to not even watch the spectacle, but only from the corner of my eye so I can move if it moves in my direction.

Madness?

This
Is
OWS!



(I think those protesters have seen too many movies)

Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
Finally took to my advice on shields. What they need to do is make a wall with shields and to have staffs/ unsharpened spears. This will make a nearly impenetrable defense, and won't seriously injure police officers. Also, mobile protesters armed with NON spiked clubs on motorcycles, scooters, and bikes would allow for flanking.

AND....Rockets...plenty of rockets....

Rockets for the red glare...

With Bombs lots and lots of bombs to burst in mid-air.....

If only I were in command. We would be sitting on the White House lawn.

I starred your post kid...

double post
Sorry.