OWS BASHERS -- IT'S ON.

Originally posted by lacrimosa
id rather get hit with the empty bottle, and if i get to hit some pointless hippys, that's a plus.

Hippies?

Talk about being clueless.

Most of us, think this protest isn't worth it, because they are no revolutionaries. The cops come in, and pick them up, one by one ... beat em up, one by one and they do nothing. There is no "soul" behind the people who are doing it, and they aren't ready to take the necessary step to do it.

They are likely to be like the "Icelandic protesters", which were so famous for being "non voilent". But all Iceland got, was a socialist government that betrayed them. They didn't pay their "responsibility" towards other European nations, and lost friends. They "kiss ass" with Denmark, Norway and Sweden, which are some of the countries that bad talked them, and are part of "why" they are in this mess in the first place. The "rich and mighty" in Iceland, just got all their depts "stricken off", and put on the shoulders of the average citizen. And the average citizen, who has been paying mortgage of his house for 20 years, now owes the banks more money than when he actually bought the house.

THIS is what this movement can do ... because they are without leadership and without clear goals. They think "peace" is going to do it ... but the only thing "peace" is going to do, is get yourself "taken in the behind" with empty promises and words, that are only meant to get you off the streets and never meant to carry real value or virtue.

lol, thanks for the links to the alternative topics. 2 out of 3 of those were written better than this OP, so, thanks to you, they got your stars and flags.

OWS is BS. It's idiocy. It's clueless people fighting for something that has nothing to do with what they're fighting for. It's no diffrent than a bunch of religious wakos surrounding a funeral home while a vet is being burried. If they had half a brain, they would be on the steps of congress and rioting through wallmart. Instead, they're attempting to stop the lives of many in various cities by becomming a stinky, smelly, cesspool of a group of thugs. This is laughable at best.

Yes I believe in freedom
Yes I believe in the constitution
Yes I believe clueless idiots will run around a city chanting stupidity and most often not know what the hell they're fighting for. You want to cause a systematic fall of every single esteblishment in the USA? Then you go right on ahead and push this BS.

When people start starving because they cant work, because jobs start falling at an even faster rate, because of ignorant people like OWS, I seriously hope they remember the OWS. Id even go further and say that those same people, in such a situation, should be tried by jury and locked away or given hard labor the rest of their natural lives when they finaly accomplish their idiocy. Sure... They may "THINK" they're doing the right thing, when in truth, they're just a bloody nussance that could turn very very bad for the people that still have jobs.

I'm all about getting rid of banks and such institutions. I think they're all crooks. I'm not so silly minded to think that OWS will do a damn thing about it or can accomplish one iota of anything other than leaving trash and litter behind, uglying up every corner that will alow them to roost...

I'm just curious... Who the hell sponcered all the porta potties? If they have any at all.. If not... Just wow! Imagine that!

Originally posted by TerryMcGuire
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

My record in this site alone speaks for itself. What the hell has this movement done to "wake people up" about the Federal Reserve? Really, honestly, how has this protest informed anyone as to the evils of the Federal Reserve?

Exactly.
The tea party has done that.
So what if some of OWS don't understand it as well as we do.
There's more than one way to wake up to what is happening to us Jean Paul.
Why isn't tea party in the streets with OWS making sure this message is raised even higher?

If we REALLY want to do something about the federal reserve.... We dont have to litter, we dont have to yell, we dont have to shoot at marines, we dont have to steal water, we dont even have to cause riots....

There is such a simple solution.

VOTE FOR RON PAUL!


Now how many people you think will go totaly clueless right there?

Originally posted by sonnny1
Honk if you have Student Loans? Really?

What questions did this man ask or answer,that was wrong?

Everything in this video, is an absurd questionaire from a biased person.

First of all, the "honk if you have student loans" is a very simple thing really. A system, which gives loans to students, who eventually will not have jobs and therefore will not be able to pay back those loans ... is what? a smart idea? A brilliant investment?

Secondly, the ideology of "raise the moral standard of people, so that people won't have to use violence". WOW ... that is actually so dumb, it's amazing. Everyone on this planet, is convinced they are right ... there is only one way to convince others, you are more right ... and that is by making your voice, sound bigger, better ... or in other words, make people back off, with their own ideas.

That is violence ... wether that violence is moral, psychological or physical is irrelevant. It requires violence, and to be ignorant of this is to be ignorant ... period.

Second, yes ... we hire our government, to do the violence for us. They are our "hired thugs". It's the question of when those thugs, are actually trying to be their own thugs, instead of being the thugs of the people, that is when the problems start. That is when it become dictatorship, when those "thugs" are no longer working for the people, but are suppressing the people.

Finally, the thing about Obama, George Bush and Iraq. Mr. GW Bush had gazillion of plans to draw the troups out of Iraq. This was supposed to be a short trip, and there is no reason to believe that GW Bush would have kept his 2008 plan, anymore than his other plans. Obama, just followed in his steps and proved beyond any reasonable doubt, that the president is just a marionett and a front end for the interrests at stake.

The reported had no more idea of what is at stake, anymore than or even less than, the occupiers.

Originally posted by theRhenn
lol, thanks for the links to the alternative topics. 2 out of 3 of those were written better than this OP, so, thanks to you, they got your stars and flags.

OWS is BS. It's idiocy. It's clueless people fighting for something that has nothing to do with what they're fighting for. It's no diffrent than a bunch of religious wakos surrounding a funeral home while a vet is being burried. If they had half a brain, they would be on the steps of congress and rioting through wallmart. Instead, they're attempting to stop the lives of many in various cities by becomming a stinky, smelly, cesspool of a group of thugs. This is laughable at best.

Yes I believe in freedom
Yes I believe in the constitution
Yes I believe clueless idiots will run around a city chanting stupidity and most often not know what the hell they're fighting for. You want to cause a systematic fall of every single esteblishment in the USA? Then you go right on ahead and push this BS.

When people start starving because they cant work, because jobs start falling at an even faster rate, because of ignorant people like OWS, I seriously hope they remember the OWS. Id even go further and say that those same people, in such a situation, should be tried by jury and locked away or given hard labor the rest of their natural lives when they finaly accomplish their idiocy. Sure... They may "THINK" they're doing the right thing, when in truth, they're just a bloody nussance that could turn very very bad for the people that still have jobs.

I'm all about getting rid of banks and such institutions. I think they're all crooks. I'm not so silly minded to think that OWS will do a damn thing about it or can accomplish one iota of anything other than leaving trash and litter behind, uglying up every corner that will alow them to roost...

I'm just curious... Who the hell sponcered all the porta potties? If they have any at all.. If not... Just wow! Imagine that!

1500 cities and counting and everyone protesting are what you describe? I find your input offensive, name one reason how this movement will make establishments fall. And maybe ill take your bs reply into consideration.

reply to post by BruceEFury



Offensive huh? This is america buddy. Get used to it.

Couldnt have said it better myself, so I'll let this link say it for you.


Your Answer

Originally posted by theRhenn

Originally posted by TerryMcGuire
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

My record in this site alone speaks for itself. What the hell has this movement done to "wake people up" about the Federal Reserve? Really, honestly, how has this protest informed anyone as to the evils of the Federal Reserve?

Exactly.
The tea party has done that.
So what if some of OWS don't understand it as well as we do.
There's more than one way to wake up to what is happening to us Jean Paul.
Why isn't tea party in the streets with OWS making sure this message is raised even higher?

If we REALLY want to do something about the federal reserve.... We dont have to litter, we dont have to yell, we dont have to shoot at marines, we dont have to steal water, we dont even have to cause riots....

There is such a simple solution.

VOTE FOR RON PAUL!


Now how many people you think will go totaly clueless right there?

True but it won't happen, i'm 18 he will be my first ever vote. But with the lack of media coverage
on him it seems there's no hope.

reply to post by theRhenn


hmm...

Occupy Wall Street participants advocate that banks and large corporations share the wealth with them, the unemployed and unproductive. If they succeed in confiscating the profits of the job-creating businesses, they will greatly increase the ranks of the jobless. That will further deteriorate the economy when no additional hiring is done by those corporations. Then, when the 2012 elections are held, their leftist hero, President Barack Obama, will be soundly defeated. I say that if Obama can't be defeated by any other means, let them have a temporary victory by granting them a little money.

I don't buy it, you really think this protest is about asking corporations for money? Sigh.. this movement isn't about one purpose, it's about many problems that Americans face every single day. Is there any proof that this will happen? I find your link non-informing.

People are against them because they are socialist revolutionaries.

Here's the proof, this interview they say N Korea is better off than S Korea and Socialism will replace Capitalism in the US through this movement. Totally braindead.
Bottom line if you are a REAL American, you are against this socialist movement.

Link, Toe to toe with Socialists at OWS

The reason why I am against the OWS movement is quiet simple:

From the get go, they are facing and attacking the innocent, and not the guilty through their actions and have become the political pawns of another group.
They have violated the law, flaunting it, failed to keep the peace in their group, have endangered the public safety for what? Cause they think that they are entitled to something in this country, cause they can not be moved to work and work hard to achieve something? They go after those that are successful, blaming all of societies woes and ills on them, yet like a poor marksman keep missing the target, and then this all goes up in smoke. Yet fail to accept the simple truth, that the point of their anger is not the businesses or corporations of the country, not the stock market, not even the banks, but should be directed at the federal government that failed in its obligation to protect and serve the people.

These people the OWS, do you really think that they are going to be satisfied if they get their way? No, cause give if they do, then in a generation, the same problems will come up again and then where will we be? At the start of the same mess that we are in right now. Their anger is misguided, and they are being used and manipulated by those who would profit from the suffering of the country, and are playing within the rules. How ironic, the very same people who seem to think that they get something for nothing fail to realize that we all are in the same boat, yet do not want to take the time to recognize that the final price tag and payment for such will come from they themselves.

Government is not proactive, rather it is an reactionary group, that reacts based off of the cries of the people. We get attacked and demand more security, and when that is given, then we cry cause it is unfair. We demand freedom of speech, yet when it is something that we do not like to hear, then we cry cause it is foul and when protected, slander the very people who are charged with making it fair. This is just another case of failure to think about the consequences of the actions that they are demanding and ultimately should not be supported at all.

Ironically, it should be interesting to watch, as winter is coming, and many cities that these protests are hitting, should do nothing, not one thing to stop them, rather let nature take its course and see where they protestors are when the temp drops to below zero and it gets real cold, will they be so willing to go out and protest when they are freezing, or should we the people step in and stop them to prevent them from killing themselves for their own good? Kind of a hard decision if you think about it, save them and be accused of being in support of martial law, or let them suffer and die and be accused of being heartless and mean.

Being in charge, those that we ask to govern, how many are in power cause of promises they failed to keep and made politics a career, ultimately, we did this to ourselves and the answer is that we the people have to clean up the mess, not rely on the government.

Originally posted by sir_slide
reply to post by BruceEFury

 

A bunch of useless arm chair revolutionaries in my opinion, totally pathetic, it is literally the guy in undies munching dorito's who opposes this....ahaha know what I mean?

I am an active member of society, and I PROTEST CORPORATE GREED. WORD

They got you all trapped in paradoxes and oxymorons
An active member of society protesting corporate greed? If you are an active member of society you are participating in corporate greed is what it boils down to. I'm not eating Doritos (Pepsi Co) I am eating a Pear

You have to be willing to go WAY out of the box thinking and many arent prepared to do this. This kind of out of box thinking gets you called names like pathetic, whackjob, moron, loner, people suggest you need to be on meds, call you lazy etc etc.

Is it lonely up here at the top??? Can be at times but its alot better than being part of the club or the plantation of slaves that really really do believe they are free.
I'd rather truly be free and not have a single friend than be a part of whats going on now. You will understand on those last 3 days when it begins and it has nothing to do with religion.

Its much worse.

reply to post by BruceEFury


Concerning the bottle thrown, how do we know that guy wasnt a plant? Indeed even if he wasnt just because one man throws something does not give the police yhe right to shoot anyone they like.

Of a man walks down the street and shoots someone, do the officers follow him shooting passesers by? Its the same thing, police have no right to shoot people for doing nothing.

The police are no longer there for the public, they are now just hired thugs there to quell liberty and freedom.

This is pretty hardcore that you typed your message using the on screen keyboard...


Wow...


In any case I agree with the frustration.

reply to post by v1rtu0s0


Sarcasm or empathy?

Your the first person i've ever added as a friend congrats =p

reply to post by BruceEFury



I didnt say anything about asking corporations for money.

Look mate, I see what you're saying, and I agree with what needs to happen. OWS is the very very very bad way to go about it.


No one realises... If banks faulter, as much as Id LOVE to see that happen, where do you think all the money will go that is/was in that bank? Not back to the customers that put it there... Not only would the banks fail, but so would the money that was there as well. Do those banks have to give you that money in such a case? Nope!

Same with everything else. You picket a buisness, it looses money, it cant pay for needs, it fails... The persons running and working within that business also fails. Not just from a paycheck, but pensions, stocks, 401K... everything that the company had falls with it. Now... Remember the big fish eatting the lil fish in grade school?

If those employees/ers have no money, they cant pay their bills, they're out on the street. That is also X amount of people that will not be keeping the ecconomy going. The ecconomy has to survive with X amount less cash flow. Now before anyone screams... THATS JUST 4 PEOPLE!

Multiply that so the total number comes out to every single person that could loose their jobs due to a serious lack of money flowing. That's why the gov tried to bail out those idiots. But, what they should have done was either take them over and give them to someone who could run it, or liquidate them and open doors for other busnesses. They didnt.

Yet, it doesnt matter... We're going to be the reason for our own fall because we're too busy following the masses instead of looking up the usefull information and get educated on it ourselves.

We're all just 99% of a bunch of damn fools. The 1% wasnt so stupid, now were they? They're still rich and we're still marching in the streets making almost no wave of any size in this universal sized ocean of Politics and BS! I dont care how many countries do this. If the world were really serious, we'd stop voting these aholes in that keep doing this crap to us time and again. And.... the even more serous would follow our constitution, gather and take back the government by force as they had done a few hundred years ago.


Yet... We bicker. In a damn forum that no one but us reads, no less.

Half the world cant agree on anything. How in the hell are we supposed to get past anything? ATS alone should give that example. And here... It's not half that cant agree. Every single one of us cannot agree on any one full topic without picking it apart letter by letter.

Hah! The future of our internet and our world. Priceless!

reply to post by The Old American


Many of them people could afford the mortgage rates before the economy turned sour and the private sector started to lay off people. There homes were taken away from them due to the greed of the 1%.

Many of them, when the availability of work dried up had no other options otherwise they wouldn't have been able to keep the lifestyle they worked hard for. Aren't Americans all for the hard-working man?

Not what you have worked for no but the 1% hasn't worked like the hard-working labourer has. It has never known long days with getting up in the morning and doing the exact same thing for 10 hours. They live in luxury when they caused an economic down-turn while many lost their basic human needs.

How did you get I was leaning yes to those by my old post? When clearly I am not.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


You are using the right-wing biased fox news for evidence that they are all socialists. You're over-generalising the whole movement. Fox news would only show socialists to ridicule the movement and the people who say N Korea is a great country is yes, clearly mad. Many of the movement are not like that, many of the movement are capitalists not socialists. I can imagine many are going to vote for Ron Paul for example.They want the downfall of fascist politics that have been in control of America for at least the past ten years. Rather than looking at one source of information, open your eyes and see everything rather than a small section of a bigger picture.

Have your movement. But i repeat....I AM NOT part of your inane, destined to fail movement. Do not count me as part of it against my will. The majority of your "99%" think you are a joke. Don't claim them either. Your attitude smacks of hubris and you are trying to force "everyone" into your movement. This is jnherently against the concept of individual freedom and why OWS represents slavery of the highest order. Please, get a mind of your own and leave me out of your stupidity.
If you win, I'll do my part to fight against the tyranny and violence that has always erupted from stupid collectivist movements.
BTW, I am not intimidated by whatever ignorance you are "armed" with.

Go whine in the streets all you want. Just don't disrupt my life with your weak whiny baby outbursts.

...ITS OFF

Originally posted by radosta
This is jnherently against the concept of individual freedom and why OWS represents slavery of the highest order.

I think the slaves that were taken from Africa would disagree with you buddy. OWS aren't putting you in shackles, taking you from your home and forcing you to work on their land. So stop making such ridiculous statements.
I don't care where you stand on OWS, its your own choice, but making stupid comments like that doesn't help your argument. You are showing the same ignorance that you accuse the supporters of OWS of having.

Originally posted by Tea4One
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

You are using the right-wing biased fox news for evidence that they are all socialists.

Question.......

So if you use MANY other sources that these radical elements are out in front at these protests,what excuse will be used then?