This Is Just For Those Who Oppose The OWS Protest!!

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


Here here, I second that motion. The people who ridicule OWS are the ones who just sot on thier backsides all day and have to find something to complain about. Maybe they wont be so happy to ridicule when the laws are passed to forcebly inject their kids with cancer causing viruses. One day these people will get a knock on the door and be dragged out onto the street by the hair. Then they will think twice about thier actions but it will be too late.

reply to post by GringoViejo

Capitalism also rewards honest, hardworking people who pay their own way, don't live beyond their means, and make educated rational choices that will affect more than just the next 20 minutes.

Yeah, but so can anarchy, communism and socialism. Just because it can reward good virtues means nothing. It's people that reward good virtues, not ideologies. If Capitalism is so good, they why the hell are we in this mess? Is Capitalism really going to get us out of it?

Originally posted by TheMindWar
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

 

Here here, I second that motion. The people who ridicule OWS are the ones who just sot on thier backsides all day and have to find something to complain about. Maybe they wont be so happy to ridicule when the laws are passed to forcebly inject their kids with cancer causing viruses. One day these people will get a knock on the door and be dragged out onto the street by the hair. Then they will think twice about thier actions but it will be too late.

So, let me get this straight. If I don't support OWS, regardless of the outome because that wasn't really specified and I don't think you're going to admit this is all for naught and you're going to fail, the government is going to drag me out of my house and inject me with a cancer virus?

Why will they knock?

Originally posted by MikeyBones
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

Capitalism also rewards honest, hardworking people who pay their own way, don't live beyond their means, and make educated rational choices that will affect more than just the next 20 minutes.

Yeah, but so can anarchy, communism and socialism. Just because it can reward good virtues means nothing. It's people that reward good virtues, not ideologies. If Capitalism is so good, they why the hell are we in this mess? Is Capitalism really going to get us out of it?

You don't live in a capitalist state.

You never have.

Neither have your parents, or your grandparents.

You live in a Corporate Oligarchy.

That Corporate Oligarchy has existed since the Great Depression.

When the IMF started moving the markets around to broaden the base and start kicking off a more realistic free-market, the Corporate Oligarchs have done everything they can to regain and retain control of the market. Including sinking it, because this allows them to use their extended resources to buy up what you can't.

Then they can use their influence to have you shoulder their debt.

Things aren't exactly what you're being told.

reply to post by beezzer

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by MikeyBones

 

I'm against bad doctors.
I'm against medicare fraud/abuse.
I'm against abuses to patients in nursing homes.

But I'm not against medicine.

See?

edit on 26-10-2011 by beezzer because: (no reason given)

Ok... let's say we share that same point of view that you mentioned above. But we disagreed on medical reform/plans, etc. I wouldn't let my difference of opinion concerning medical care get in the way of our shared opinion against bad doctors, medical fraud and abuse in nursing homes. Despite our disagreement on one topic, I wouldn't let it get in the way of our mutual goal.

If you aren't willing to stand next to people with differences in opinions, you will always be standing alone.

reply to post by MikeyBones


Discounting socialism, because we already have socialist programs in the country which help to some extent, do you really think anarchy and communism are viable alternatives?

There are five Communist countries on Earth; China, North Korea, Laos, Vietnam, and Cuba. Are we supposed to aspire to be like them?

And anarchy, no matter how good it could be. is irrelevant. We will always have a legal system because that's what the people want. People will always want police to protect them. People will always want some sort of government to regulate something. It's just how it is.

What is a Corporate Oligarchy?

This is a small number of elite who through a series of shell games own, control or operate many other companies.

You see a thousand companies. If you trace them up, many of those companies are all part of much larger companies. Several of those companies are remenants of the companies created by the buy up of the Great Depression.

Where there are many people owning bits of shares to larger companies, they are often doing so via proxy in yet another Corporate Oligarch's company.

What happens when your company gets bought up and amalgamated with another company? Do you double the jobs? Do you improve the service or product?

Not usually. You halve the jobs, and efficiencies are nice code for refocus innovation from the service/product to profit at all costs. You reduce innovation and stakeholder engagement.

I think rather, that the OWS bunch are the noisy minority, not the silent majority. There just a creation of huge corporations to further the political aims of taking over the rest of the nation and world.

reply to post by GringoViejo

I do think they are viable options. I think anarchy is misunderstood and that communism has never been correctly applied, and both have had strong global opposition as both threaten the capitalistic/corporate system that is taking advantage of the world. But I'm sure you don't agree and there is no need to argue over that. We are allowed to disagree on such things and debates on such heavy topics could never be resolved on a forum (but maybe we should pay attention to things that we may actually agree on..)

As for your examples of the other countries under communist rule... Despite what media has me believing, I've been told by people who travel the world that China is awesome and I should go there, that North Korea's arts programs are beautiful along with many other social areas and that Cuba is unbelievable in all aspects (but yet poor arguably due to a capitalistic country that has embargoes on it still to this day). I am sure there is beauty in their countries as much as yours and mine. And also have their own failures, as does yours and mine. Have you not seen suffering in your own country? I have never been to those countries and don't think my opinion of their political system is valid enough to comment...

reply to post by MikeyBones
Sorry. I'm a firm believer in individualism. This "stand with us or against us" sounds a wee bit socialistic too me.
I'll stand as an individual, support indvidualism, (rugged individualism) and support and endorse personal responsibility over "social justice" or any other hive-mind ideology.

OWS was thought up by left wing radicals. It does not address the real issues. Andrew Stern of SEIU openly stated that he wanted to organize a movement against banks and foreclosures by encouraging people to default on their home loans and targeting banks specifically JP Morgan Chase. He states called for this in an attempt to eliminate americans ability to be rich.

Now take into account the unemployment numbers in this country also remember that members of the labor unions have aligned themselves against business in America. Sure it all sounds great to join a labor union, but keep in mind that in a free market the employer has rights and if the employer decides to fire someone for poor performance or for any other reason he or she should be able to do so. But what the unions did is they have taken over the vast majority of our economy. As an employer you are obligated to not fire a labor union member. So what happens is that these folks perform their job poorly and the employer can not fire them. Not to mention that most labor union members make more money than any non-labor union employee.

So what we have now is the unions are controlling the media. You thought the government controlled the media? You are right, only the unions control the media and the government runs the unions. That is just one industry however. The unions have infiltrated every part of our economy. Some of them have been employed since the 60's and there is no turn over. When their are massive layoffs because a company can no longer afford these unions and still make a profit guess what happens, the jobs get outsourced for the most part or the non-labor union employees suffer, not the labor union members.

Labor union members are required to pay dues which go tot the democratic party and fund candidates such as Barack Obama, who piddle around as the economy goes down the tank he just tries to make the labor unions happy and to hell with everybody else.

Now consider the unemployment numbers again, how many of those who are employed are members of labor unions in both public and private sector? Now take a look at some of their payrolls and pensions and other benefits. Are you not outraged yet?

So a good part of OWS is the labor Unions, thats right the same workers who exploit the american middle class are out there raising money for the democratic party and getting paid to protest. To me this is very offensive. I would not even consider joining the OWS not even for a second.

OWS is misguided anger and energy and nothing more.

Worst of all you folks are holding hands with the folks who have exploited you.

Now I will try to address the other part that these folks think that capitalism is evil and the reason for poverty around the world. That is simply not true. If capitalism is the problem then capitalism is the plane that has been hijacked by radical communists and socialists.

Folks you all have your own reasons for being here and for those who attend OWS because of some underlying reason.

For me my frustration began with the court system. It took along time for me to understand some of the injustices that go on there in a place where justice is supposed to be served. But much like the rise of labor unions in our court system we no longer elect our judges! It is called merit selection and judges are selected by special committees.

For the last century the progressives have been laying the framework for communism/socialism with in the current, 'capitalist' republic.

It is frustrating when a main stream movement such as OWS gains so much momentum and points their fingers at the wrong people. But that is how deep the propaganda and the social conditioning has reached out in this country.

I'm all for giving it to the bankers and letter our elected leaders know who the master is and who the servant is but i think the protestors need more balls and to meet force with force.

ffs how are you going to get mafia government bend to the peoples demands when most politicians are on the bankers payroll, talk nicely because it does not work like that in real life does it now.

Max Kiser said hang the bankers !

Those who oppose and hate on the OWS movement are simply - 1). online shills with the clear objective of character assassination towards the movement, and/or either 2) wicked, greedy, snakes who are RUINING THIS COUNTRY DAY BY DAY and are benefiting off the backs of the 99% of us who work a thousand times harder than them for thousand times LESS pay than them.

And they have the nerve to then snicker, ridicule and label the average American worker who has less a fortunate situation then them as 'lazy' or 'unmotivated'.

The 1% snakes who have all this RAGE for the movement wouldnt last a week in the shoes of the average common worker of this country. Each of them would off themselves before the end of a week living the life of an average commoner.

They have the GOOD life, with most of them gaining it via the unfair and unethical EXPLOITATION of others, back-stabbing, and treading over the backs of others and they absolutely FEAR anything or any movement that may change that for them...


The snakes are VERY, VERY SCARED!!

Power to the PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by HangTheTraitors


I think none of these things.

I'm simply not jazzed about a movement which fails to capture the problem.

Just like I wasn't impressed with the Tea Party, though I did find their lack of comprehension of history in choosing that name to be very amusing.

reply to post by Master_007

I'm all for giving it to the bankers and letter our elected leaders know who the master is and who the servant is but i think the protestors need more balls and to meet force with force.

ffs how are you going to get mafia government bend to the peoples demands when most politicians are on the bankers payroll, talk nicely because it does not work like that in real life does it now.

Max Kiser said hang the bankers !

Statements like this is a big part of resentment towards OWS. Second you compare the government to the mafia and there you are with the mob. Nobody is meeting you with force, if you attack a police officer they have every right to strike back!

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by HangTheTraitors

 

I think none of these things.

I'm simply not jazzed about a movement which fails to capture the problem.

Just like I wasn't impressed with the Tea Party, though I did find their lack of comprehension of history in choosing that name to be very amusing.

I found it odd as well that these so called Patriots...named their so called Party the "Tea Party", but these sorts of stupid things happen all the time with the sort of folks associated with the "Tea Party'...

I also find it weird that the "Tea Party" trolls hold themselves so high, but they acompolished ZERO, and got infiltrated with the exact type of idiots they didnt want in. They also got racist endorsements and all sorts of dumb issues. So Tea partiers point the finger...but did nothing themselves.....So Lame, but typical of people on this vibrationn line of idoacy.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb

Statements like this is a big part of resentment towards OWS. Second you compare the government to the mafia and there you are with the mob. Nobody is meeting you with force, if you attack a police officer they have every right to strike back!

And if the police use cheimical weapons, guns and dogs on protestors we just smile back do we.

Looks like you need to learn a bit of history and yeah it was police that dragged the jews away during WWII

History is on my side,not hot air.

reply to post by TheMindWar




That sounds just like me when someone asks, "Why in the hell do you keep up with what's going on a thousand miles away?" My reply is always the same,"At least when it's knocking on my back door, I won't be caught unaware. You will!!"

To me, there is no greater strength than awareness of what is taking place in this #ed up world.

reply to post by Master_007


Actually the NAZIS endorse OWS today and the NAZI's were and are SOCIALISTS. Soo, the OWS also happens to target judeo-capitlaist bankers.

It appears that you support that movement and you are unaware of it.