One Marine v 30 Police - Occupy Times Square - Cops lose

They prefer to use pepper spray rather than words to "defend" themselves. If the protesters were throwing Molotovs or shooting people, then I'd be defending the cops. You have two groups: one is being violent and the other is not. Ideologies aside, the cops are in the wrong.

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Good point. He certainly gives some signs of that.

Originally posted by Propulsion

Originally posted by jhn7537
I dont understand how there are people against OWS....To those people, what's wrong with what the protesters are doing? Why do you hate america? Do you consider yourself apart of the 1%?

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Acually, I AM THE 53%

Oh really... Never knew it was the 53%.....

Originally posted by Jepic

Originally posted by Vortiki
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Remind me again why you are so overly concerned about a movement that has nothing to do with you, or where you hail from?

*Ding dong* Newsflash! This is a global thing. But maybe I shouldn't have expected an american to know anything else that's outside their 4 borders.

It is global, that's for sure, and I am almost positive there are foreign operatives involved. We know adbusters is Canadian, and they have Estonian communists in their group. This is not an exclusively American deal going here. The cops do not have to defend communist operatives or foreign operatives.

Originally posted by Cuervo
They prefer to use pepper spray rather than words to "defend" themselves. If the protesters were throwing Molotovs or shooting people, then I'd be defending the cops. You have two groups: one is being violent and the other is not. Ideologies aside, the cops are in the wrong.

If you look at the clip in question, the only thing the cops are doing is trying to keep everything in control. Even though the group has certain rights, other individuals who live and run companies in the area also have rights.

Its not all one way.

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Actually its four years, and he may have been medically discharged, as strenuous activity the military does causes some to be injury prone. So before you have to jump on the hating bandwagon you should probably research your assumptions.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by Cuervo
They prefer to use pepper spray rather than words to "defend" themselves. If the protesters were throwing Molotovs or shooting people, then I'd be defending the cops. You have two groups: one is being violent and the other is not. Ideologies aside, the cops are in the wrong.

If you look at the clip in question, the only thing the cops are doing is trying to keep everything in control. Even though the group has rights, other individuals who live or run a company in the area also have rights.

Its not all one way.

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Rights to do what?! Abuse civilians? These protesters aren't burning down shops. They aren't assaulting business owners. There is no reason to get violent, no matter how non-compliant they are being.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh by the way that marine is defending Canadian adbusters who are communists from Estonia....maybe he ought to think twice about his actions.

No he isn't, he's defending people.... yes people who were being assaulted by police.

Someone owns a website.... big frickin' deal.


Do you think that every single person out of all the people in 80+ country's and a few hundred cities are all somehow linked to this website?

Get a grip.


This movement is global and has people from every political persuasion (or just 2 in the US ) many professions, all ages, colours and creeds.

You can try and discredit it all you like, but the people are seeing the truth for themselves.

It is good to see military personnel step up and perform their real duty; protecting American citizens. Unfortunately, most military I have spoken to are ready to be called in to get rid of the OWS crowd, to hell with posse comitatus.

Also, don't let yourselves be fooled about the police. They love this kind of stuff. Its why many of them go into the force to begin with, to beat up on people just for the hell of it. They also get huge overtime pay for these type of events as well. OWS is going to be the biggest bonus pay they have ever seen.

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Continue you prejudice spouting about americans, I'm really enjoying your hate speeches against my country. As much as you assume things it makes me wonder if you even look into anything or if you just assume whatever you wish and start spewing it out to others like its something true.

and yes, i realize the OWS movement has moved across the globe, but it isn't occupy parliament. Its an american battle for americans. Other countries merely followed suit and stood up.

Listen up

Any more of the childish, petty and stupid bickering that has preceeded this note will be met with post bans.

You have been warned. If you cannot debate this topic sensibly, then do not post at all.

Originally posted by Vortiki
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Actually its four years, and he may have been medically discharged, as strenuous activity the military does causes some to be injury prone. So before you have to jump on the hating bandwagon you should probably research your assumptions.

Nice. Kettle calling kettle black.

You should take some of your advice.

All your arguments are based upon assumptions. Some of those assumptions include: "All military members will defend OWS!", "this military officer represents all military officers", and "OWS is innocent with out leaders!"

What a joke.

Originally posted by Section31
What is funny is that the military officer was yelling at the cops for doing nothing. Second, he only served a few years, which gets me to think he may have been dishonorably discharged. When you sign up for any branch of the military, during times of conflict, you have to serve at least five years.

Was he discharged for being unstable? We don't know.

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I must say the only thing unstable is your post,,, This guy is now known in over 80 country's!!! He is just tired of the banks steeling billions every day from all of us. He calls out the cops, and ask them how they sleep at night.. Just think as the banks looted us today for another few billion, and people become apologist for them. The occupy movement is not stealing from us like the banks.. So you understand the banks are stealing right now.there the threat, And even the Cops know it now because of this PATRIOT !!!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Who is to say all those protesters are even Americans? Do you believe there are no foreign operatives running about? I mean Code Pink was running around Egypt before their great uprising. What's to stop foreigners from appearing in our midst? KGB was infamous for their impersonations of people in foreign countries. Oh by the way that marine is defending Canadian adbusters who are communists from Estonia....maybe he ought to think twice about his actions.

And I thought Senator McCarthy was dead, you are funny, it's them 'ol pinkies again, try a different line, McCarthy was censured eventually, (common sense prevailed) and then he died.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by Cuervo
They prefer to use pepper spray rather than words to "defend" themselves. If the protesters were throwing Molotovs or shooting people, then I'd be defending the cops. You have two groups: one is being violent and the other is not. Ideologies aside, the cops are in the wrong.

If you look at the clip in question, the only thing the cops are doing is trying to keep everything in control. Even though the group has rights, other individuals who live or run a company in the area also have rights.

Its not all one way.

edit on 10/17/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Rights to do what?! Abuse civilians? These protesters aren't burning down shops. They aren't assaulting business owners. There is no reason to get violent, no matter how non-compliant they are being.

Civilians have no right mouthing off to police neither.

I'll say it. OWS has a completely subversive base of operatives for Global Socialism. They are using the same model as in the 60's and 70's with Kent State and other riots and protests. The real villains never get their hands dirty but let the innocents do the dirty work.

Originally posted by Gseven
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I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but I have some issues with the claims of who this person is for several reasons:

As a former Marine, this guy is completely out of regulations, not just in small ways, but in really huge NASTY ways. NO self-respecting active duty Marine would dare go in public looking like this. It's my opinion that he borrowed a friend's uniform without their knowledge. There's nothing that would convince me he is either an active duty Marine or even a recently former Marine. NO WAY...
a.) No cammies are allowed to be worn in public off base....period.
b.) He's unshaven.
c.) He's not wearing his cover.
d.) His blouse is not only unbuttoned, but it's clearly too small.
e.) His sleeves aren't rolled properly.
f.) His green t-shirt is untucked.
g.) He is inciting a riot....IN UNIFORM AND ON CAMERA!!! HELLO!! NO military service member is allowed
to go on camera in uniform and speak with any sort of political overtones AT ALL.
h.) He's sporting ribbons on his unbuttoned cammie blouse...ribbons are not authorized for use on cammies,
and even if they were, he's wearing them improperly.

If by some off chance he IS a former Marine, he shames his Corps by the fact that he appeared so sloppily and attempted to speak on behalf of the Marine Corps, which he would never be allowed to do as an active duty Marine. I'm baffled that any former Marine would do this...he likely has a some adverse discharge on his record, OR has a few screws loose from his alleged time in Iraq.

Come on folks...don't believe everything you see.

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People who make a significant difference in this world rarely follow the rules.

Sorry, didn't need a second line.

Originally posted by Vortiki

and yes, i realize the OWS movement has moved across the globe, but it isn't occupy parliament. Its an american battle for americans. Other countries merely followed suit and stood up.

Not strictly true... Europeans have been protesting and battling (literally in the streets) against cuts and Austerity for most of the year... there have been clashes and protests in most European cities... plus the whole middle east uprising... you guys were late to the party.

Yes this particular "occupy" movement started in NY, but this whole thing has been brewing all year, if not for a few years.

These are not a series of seperate incidents, that's what people would like you to believe.... this is PEOPLE standing up for themselves, sick of being ripped off and left on the breadline, while fatcats get fatter

Originally posted by Vortiki
reply to post by Jepic

 

Continue you prejudice spouting about americans, I'm really enjoying your hate speeches against my country. As much as you assume things it makes me wonder if you even look into anything or if you just assume whatever you wish and start spewing it out to others like its something true.

and yes, i realize the OWS movement has moved across the globe, but it isn't occupy parliament. Its an american battle for americans. Other countries merely followed suit and stood up.

No hate speech here. Just talking truth and common sense. And some experience.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by Vortiki
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Actually its four years, and he may have been medically discharged, as strenuous activity the military does causes some to be injury prone. So before you have to jump on the hating bandwagon you should probably research your assumptions.

Nice. Kettle calling kettle black.

You should take some of your advice.

All your arguments in this thread are based upon assumptions. Some of those assumptions include: "All military members will defend OWS!", "this military officer represents all military officers", and "OWS is innocent with out leaders!"

What a joke.

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I never once claimed the ENTIRE military would join the cause. You assumed thats what i ment. I never said anyone respresented anyone else either, so you can stop putting words in my mouth. Nor did I ever claim OWS is innocent without leaders.

The civilians aren't out there beating police with batons.

The civilians aren't pepper spraying police.

The civilians are using their right to protest.

I'm not assuming anything. you're putting words in my mouth and assuming you understand my meaning, which clearly you don't. Why don't you return to your empty rhetoric on why OWS is so terribly bad.