Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

reply to post by Cinaed


I don't care where Soros hails from as it doesn't matter as he is not bankrolling this!

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


It took me all of like 3 minutes to find this...anyone seriously looking can find plenty

www.wopular.com...

reply to post by AzureSky


Sorry to disappoint but our kids are not the smartest in the world, nor even close to it!!! There was a day when American student's competed well in the world...those days are gone and have been for some time.

While we shell out more tax dollars every yr for education America's kids are getting dummied down rapidly. I read an article a while back that stated the ONLY thing American students rank first in the world anymore is SELF ESTEEM

www.guardian.co.uk...

read it an weep

And, if you don't believe this chart ask them about American history and see how well they fare....most will just scream at you and call you names

It's been a left wing protest the entire time, since the beginning of it till now. Some of us called it early, and some later on. Personally, all it took for me was to see the Code Pink involved, plus a few Communist Party signs. Then some of the blogs showed Soros links and other links to left wing groups.

It's called. Deal with it.

Well, this is the second time a link I dropped in a post was taken by someone and turned into a thread.
I really need to start getting on the ball.
Good on you OP for taking the initiative I lacked. S&F for you.

Originally posted by SM2
here ya go.. sums it up

I really hope you realize that the protesters aren't protesting the products which corporations create. That is something we can all agree (well mostly, apart from the fact they break in a year) that this is something that corporations do very well.

What they are protesting is the political influence these corporations have over our legislative process, politicians and our lives.

If someone makes a gadget that's useful, I'm happy to pay them a profit to get it. But I don't want them paying the person who's suppose to regulate them fistfuls of cash! Not to mention the crooked lobbying that goes on.

Originally posted by SM2
the reason I say that the OWS people are mostly anti capitalists, commies so on and so forth is because that is what i see, when half the protesters are holding up sign of Che Guerra and socialist party usa propeganda, then what do you expect people will think?





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I could add more, but I figured this would be enough to illustrate my point.

There are all types of people down at the protests. Show me factual statistics or GTFO.

You are experiencing what's called confirmation bias

Thanks for telling us what OWS is about...that is all I have asked for in various threads... a concise explanation of OWS and grievences.

That being said, I still think OWS' efforts are misguided. A general, non-specific protest just tells people you are pissed off...unfortunately, the Wall Street folks just hop a jet to a satellite office in a foreign company and use the net to make deals and transactions. Meanwhile, the OWS sits in the park protesting. Big Deal.

Now, I agree that corporations are economically abusing their employees, getting as much work as possible for as little pay as possible... always acting like they are going broke and then turn around and brag about record profits. I see that everyday... where I work and elsewhere. Inherently, something inside tells me this is not right.

Have the OWS folks considered deliberate and specific labor strikes against the individual companies of Wall Steet? A general protests is really ineffective in the long haul...but a national strike by labor and consumers against specific companies....Wow, that would send a message.

What would happen if all homeoowners did not pay their mortages for 1 month...or two months?

What if no one bought a specific product for one day or one week or one month?

What if there was a national "call in sick" day....?

The question is...who is deserving of such boycotts and strikes and protests? Who are the biggest offenders of corruption and abusues?

If the movement really is about middle America and the working and unemployed... gaining support should not be that hard...just needs organizing.

Leaflets door to door, maybe underground radio, the internet...facebook, etc would get it out pretty good. And a concise rational SHORT and FOCUSED list of grievences and demands that everynman can understand and grasp... not a range from "feed the hungry" to " world peace"... that won't fly.

Imagine if everyone in the country boycotted a national fast food franchise for one day... or boycotted a particular food item or clothing item for one day or one week with a list of accompanying abuses by that company.

Anyway, that is in my opinion is what OWS should be doing if they really want to make a difference. Also, don't be so condescending to those that don't understand the movement. Explain it...then explain it again... when they ask, that is an opportunity to educate... use it wisely.

Originally posted by SM2
they are not fighting for a fair shake, they are fighting for more hand outs. Sorry, but when they say they want free education, free this or free that. I want to know, in their marxist utopia, who is paying for all of this? I am sorry, but nothing is free, everything has a cost. You can not just flip a magical switch and all of a sudden every professor is going to educate everyone for free, if you think they will, go ask the teachers union. While i agree 100% that banks use shady lending practices, however, you can always not sign the loan documents. You can avoid student loans by working even harder to get a scholarship. You can avoid the mortgage by saving up. Now to the corporations...yes they are a money making machine, well, thats what they are there to do, a business makes money. If their is a corporation you do not like, do not buy their products. but the heart of the matter, you think living under the bankers and corpratists is bad, try living under a communist or marxist regime, worked out great for all those chinese and soviets didnt it?

Sorry but i have to respectfully disagree
Our system is fundamentally flawed, we are going to run out of trees in the next 40 years. Then what?
The bees are going to die off, and are already dying off. The bee is one of the bugs that WE NEED TO SURVIVE. IF bees went extinct, we have 4 years tops. Its not communist or marxist, those are just labels, what part of that do you not understand. Transcend the label, dont believe in ows then dont pay attention to it. But its not funded by anyone, its genuine people, pissed off. And no, not handouts. The american education system is one of the worst in the world. Seriously, If you dont see the issue with it then please just crawl back in your hole , because im not going to talk to a brick wall that cant see the evidence in front of their own eyes

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by AzureSky

 

Sorry to disappoint but our kids are not the smartest in the world, nor even close to it!!! There was a day when American student's competed well in the world...those days are gone and have been for some time.

While we shell out more tax dollars every yr for education America's kids are getting dummied down rapidly. I read an article a while back that stated the ONLY thing American students rank first in the world anymore is SELF ESTEEM

www.guardian.co.uk...

read it an weep

And, if you don't believe this chart ask them about American history and see how well they fare....most will just scream at you and call you names

And whose fault is that? Why are american kids so dumb? Maybe its because the united states has one of the worst education system. And yes there are smart kids, that cant go beyond highschool because they cant afford it. There is many kinds of smart. Highschool is worthless in my opinion, cookie cutter children.
It's a giant joke, And your tax dollars dont go to education, they go to paying back enormous interest payments on federal loans. If they spent more money on education you'd have a smarter population (not saying everyone is dumb, just a lot), look at india, smartest population in the world. Better education apparently.

Seems to line up, dumb people dont notice the difference if their getting screwed or not.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
It's been a left wing protest the entire time, since the beginning of it till now. Some of us called it early, and some later on. Personally, all it took for me was to see the Code Pink involved, plus a few Communist Party signs. Then some of the blogs showed Soros links and other links to left wing groups.

It's called. Deal with it.

Are you the caller of all things? Can't believe everything you see on the internet, unless you've actually gone down there, then i reserve to comment on wether its right or left, because you may think so. But its not

Right vs Wrong. Simple. Deal with it.

Originally posted by dethduck
Well, this is the second time a link I dropped in a post was taken by someone and turned into a thread.
I really need to start getting on the ball.
Good on you OP for taking the initiative I lacked. S&F for you.

edit on 10/14/2011 by dethduck because: (no reason given)

Sorry bro! I didnt mean to take your link (I didnt take it on purpose though, i follow these things on twitter so i decided to post the link from there).
Its definatly good links

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Thanks for telling us what OWS is about...that is all I have asked for in various threads... a concise explanation of OWS and grievences.

That being said, I still think OWS' efforts are misguided. A general, non-specific protest just tells people you are pissed off...unfortunately, the Wall Street folks just hop a jet to a satellite office in a foreign company and use the net to make deals and transactions. Meanwhile, the OWS sits in the park protesting. Big Deal.

Now, I agree that corporations are economically abusing their employees, getting as much work as possible for as little pay as possible... always acting like they are going broke and then turn around and brag about record profits. I see that everyday... where I work and elsewhere. Inherently, something inside tells me this is not right.

Have the OWS folks considered deliberate and specific labor strikes against the individual companies of Wall Steet? A general protests is really ineffective in the long haul...but a national strike by labor and consumers against specific companies....Wow, that would send a message.

What would happen if all homeoowners did not pay their mortages for 1 month...or two months?

What if no one bought a specific product for one day or one week or one month?

What if there was a national "call in sick" day....?

The question is...who is deserving of such boycotts and strikes and protests? Who are the biggest offenders of corruption and abusues?

If the movement really is about middle America and the working and unemployed... gaining support should not be that hard...just needs organizing.

Leaflets door to door, maybe underground radio, the internet...facebook, etc would get it out pretty good. And a concise rational SHORT and FOCUSED list of grievences and demands that everynman can understand and grasp... not a range from "feed the hungry" to " world peace"... that won't fly.

Imagine if everyone in the country boycotted a national fast food franchise for one day... or boycotted a particular food item or clothing item for one day or one week with a list of accompanying abuses by that company.

Anyway, that is in my opinion is what OWS should be doing if they really want to make a difference. Also, don't be so condescending to those that don't understand the movement. Explain it...then explain it again... when they ask, that is an opportunity to educate... use it wisely.

There are so many problems in the world its hard to narrow it down to one single demands, when everything is screwed, its kinda hard. And they do use facebook and all the internet tools to spread the word, but also i hear there is a 'bank transaction day' or something, switching banks, i hope it works out well! It would be nice to see a major bank take a hit.

With these occupy's springing up across the globe (like, 1500 now?), its going to be enormous, and when the system crashed (which is going to be soon i think, as things are not going so well these days), when there is no food left in the grocery store, millions will come out. And any condescension on my part was because i worked 14 hours and i was cranky as hell =P

Originally posted by AzureSky

Originally posted by dethduck
Well, this is the second time a link I dropped in a post was taken by someone and turned into a thread.
I really need to start getting on the ball.
Good on you OP for taking the initiative I lacked. S&F for you.

edit on 10/14/2011 by dethduck because: (no reason given)

Sorry bro! I didnt mean to take your link (I didnt take it on purpose though, i follow these things on twitter so i decided to post the link from there).
Its definatly good links

Nah, don't be sorry. My comment wasn't sarcastic. I meant it, good on you. I had my chance and didn't take it. That's on no one but me. At least the information is getting around. More important than me getting stars.

reply to post by Merigold


The really sad thing is,the fat cats already put more value
to their profits then to people.People are just useless eaters
to them,a waste of resources.
They are blinded by their lust for more power and money.
They don't know that they will never be satisfied,they will
always need more and more at any cost.

Damn! I lost my popcorn!

/1 liner

I can pretty much sum up what the OWS protesters want in one word. Justice. They (and we) want justice. I want the guilty punished and the innocent to go free. Those who ruined our economy need to languish in prison cells. No one has been held to account for that. I want the dirty cops in prison. I want the evil monsters at all the local county DSS offices to face justice and to experience all the mercy they have given, which is zero. Everyone who has a drug charge should be pardoned. Justice. Such a small word and so big at the same time. I want usury laws put back and a maximum of 18% interest. Period. They want the fat cats to suffer like the poor do. Justice. I do too, just not as a socialist.

We need justice in this nation. Where men aren't fined for building their kids treehouses or kids aren't fined for lemonade stands. Or couples don't have their land stolen because it gets wet once in a while. Our president got a lot of people murdered by giving guns to the mexicans. That's not only impeachable, it's a capital crime and he needs to pay the penalty for it. Along with Bush, Rumsfield, Cheney, Gonzales, and all the other war criminals.

Justice, now more than ever

Originally posted by Ookie
I can pretty much sum up what the OWS protesters want in one word. Justice. They (and we) want justice. I want the guilty punished and the innocent to go free. Those who ruined our economy need to languish in prison cells. No one has been held to account for that. I want the dirty cops in prison. I want the evil monsters at all the local county DSS offices to face justice and to experience all the mercy they have given, which is zero. Everyone who has a drug charge should be pardoned. Justice. Such a small word and so big at the same time. I want usury laws put back and a maximum of 18% interest. Period. They want the fat cats to suffer like the poor do. Justice. I do too, just not as a socialist.

We need justice in this nation. Where men aren't fined for building their kids treehouses or kids aren't fined for lemonade stands. Or couples don't have their land stolen because it gets wet once in a while. Our president got a lot of people murdered by giving guns to the mexicans. That's not only impeachable, it's a capital crime and he needs to pay the penalty for it. Along with Bush, Rumsfield, Cheney, Gonzales, and all the other war criminals.

Justice, now more than ever

I can agree to this right here. There is no accountability for the people at the top of the food chain, while prisons continue to get filled with people who don't deserve to be there. Like some forms of robbery, if i had to rob someone to feed my children, and i had no other alternative, i would. You have to attack crime at its source, Poverty. And stop putting people in jail for stupid laws (like maryjane), While tobacco and alcohol kill more per year. What about monsanto and its totalitarian agriculture that is decimating our planet, and making our population sick. No accountability. I could throw a lot of people in jail come to think if it, wish i had the power.

Justice.

I was listening to NPR on my way into work this morning and after 20 minutes of begging for money (couldnt 20 minutes of commercials pay for all they need better than begging?) they went "to the streets" to interview some pf these protesters.

One was really upset that her 4 year history degree which she went $20,000+ into debt for was useless. Anybody surprised by that? anybody surprised that a 4 year history degree wont guarantee you a job? Anybody?

Another was a 19 year-old who dropped out of community college to attend the protests. He carried a $4,000 debt for his first year of community college which he apparently didnt even finish since he dropped out to protest. He complained about the "system." When asked by the NPR reporter to explain the "system" he responded with "you know, the system that runs everything."

They dont know what the hell they're angry about.

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by Merigold

 

The really sad thing is,the fat cats already put more value
to their profits then to people.People are just useless eaters
to them,a waste of resources.
They are blinded by their lust for more power and money.
They don't know that they will never be satisfied,they will
always need more and more at any cost.

edit on 14-10-2011 by mamabeth because: added

Agreed. Moar power.. moar of it.
Lets just say, i grew up with next to nothing, Dad joined the military to feed me and my brothers. Wage freezes and all this stuff, i grew up with what my parents could provide. They racked up their credit just to feed us.

Sad that people have to take out loans and credit to feed themselves and shelter themselves...