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So, what are the protesters so upset about, really?
Do they have legitimate gripes?
To answer the latter question first, yes, they have very legitimate gripes.
And if America cannot figure out a way to address these gripes, the country will likely become increasingly "de-stabilized," as sociologists might say. And in that scenario, the current protests will likely be only the beginning.
The problem in a nutshell is this: Inequality in this country has hit a level that has been seen only once in the nation's history, and unemployment has reached a level that has been seen only once since the Great Depression. And, at the same time, corporate profits are at a record high.
In other words, in the never-ending tug-of-war between "labor" and "capital," there has rarely—if ever—been a time when "capital" was so clearly winning.
I'm tired of people not getting this sh!t, its not hard to get.
Down at OWS, and at other occupy's in the united states alone, there are people gathering. Young, old, middleaged, republican, democrat, green party, socialist, communist, WHATEVER
It matters not no more about these lame labels people seem to adore, i guess it gives people some sense of accomplishment when they vote people in and they are still screwed.
They don't want handouts, they want the obvious slap in the face of these huge conglomerates have been handing out for the last 50 years. Its called ECONOMIC INEQUALITY. Google that sh*t. And you'll see. C'mon folks, believing the mainstream news? Haha.
Your tax money goes to bombs and guns and weaponry to kill eachother
Your tax money went to 'too big to fail' bank bailouts
Your money went to pay the huge loans the government owes to the federal reserve
The federal reserve has printed and handed out money to global entities, trillions worth
The official unemployment is at 9.1%, the unofficial unemploymed (includes underemployed, people who receive no government welfare, etc) is about 18% i do believe.
1/2 children starve every day
Our environment is screwed
We are in an energy crisis,
Several wasteful useless wars
Baught out politicians,
A government that does not work for the people anymore (though you have the illusion that it works)
People cannot afford healthcare
People work their asses off and get NOWHERE
People have to take credit out to feed their children (ask me, my parents had to do it when i was young, we were poor as hell)
Police brutality is through the roof
24 million vacant homes, forclosed mostly illegally
No jobs, jobs being shipped overseas. People have to work 3 or 4 jobs to make ends meet.
They're going after social security
Medical treatment in the US is the sh!ts.
And nothing is wrong? Screw off and look around, your life may be okay. But EVERYONE ELSES isn't. Its not about a lack of wanting to work, its not about laziness, its not about drugs or booze. Unless you've actually gone down there and experienced it for yourself, shut your damn mouths and do some of your own critical thinking.
Originally posted by SM2
reply to post by Procession101
I am not apologizing for the banks at all. I am just saying that the OWS is mis represented. The protest is was planned by socialist leaning people to advance their goals, and I am sorry, while banks are evil, and rich are greedy, these protesters do not know what they are doing, and will accomplish nothing but tearing up a pretty nice privately owned park. My big point is, do not sit there and tell me how these people are fighting for freedom and liberty when what they are really doing is fighting to take more of my money, rights and freedoms away by wanting to implement even more socialistic policies and laws. Most of those " I have $25,000 in student debt" people maybe should have thought on if that degree in ancient Greek poetry really would land them a job or not. It is not my fault they made bad life choices in that regard (granted some of them i am sure hold useful degrees and can not find a job).
Originally posted by SM2
will accomplish nothing but tearing up a pretty nice privately owned park.
Originally posted by AzureSky
Me personally, i am doing quite decent for being barely a year out of school. 31k a year, can't complain really. My loans are high, but im more than capable of paying them myself,
I'm not looking for a handout.
I'm looking for the end of useless expensive wars
For the government to be concerned about its people, rather than a dollar sign offered by some lobbyist
For the money that we get taxed to actually be used for us, not a bomb dropped on a daycare.
To be honest, I'de be perfectly fine if the whole system went tits up, maybe we'd have some smart people doing something instead of a bunch of morons in office. Resource based economy, best way to go.
Originally posted by SM2
reply to post by AzureSky
I do agree that the banks and fed are screwing us, I will not argue that at all, no doubt about that. However, the thing people overlook is the simple facts at the heart of the matter. It is not a spontaneous "grass roots" protest. there is no such thing anymore. Someone had to secure the permits, had to promote the event, and in most cases had to secure secruity. All of these things take money. That money was provided by ad busters, which is linked to George Soros. Moveon.org and all big labor is there providing support. So you tell me how it is not backed by left? i understand that anyone can join the protests, and that is great. However, you can not claim to non party affiliated when all of the support organizations are left wing groups then add the spinkling of democratic house and senate members, sorry the no political affiliation does not jive. The people supporting this protest are the same ones that were blasting the tea party for far less party affiliation, but, I guess when the shoe is on the other foot it is ok. Anyways, do not get me wrong, i do not want them to stop protesting, they have the right to protest all they want, i would never dream of attempting to stop them from their right to speech, As an added benefit i get the entertainment of watching them be hypocrites and morons ( some of them, not all of them). To finish, I want them to have a nice peaceful, fulfilling, safe protest, I just do not agree with alot of the things going on there.
Originally posted by neo96
and the dude lives in canada
to put this thread into context