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Originally posted by Dav1d
Hmmm....
Decomposition begins at death. That is a fact. There has been at least one study done where, within 120 minutes of death two different male subjects who had publicly collapsed and died where placed on carpet, (squares 20x20cm) for 2 minutes and 10 minutes. The subjects skins were intact, and their bodies were at or above 36.7 degrees centicregde cadaver dogs could pick these samples out.
As to fecal matter, unless the mother was feeding the baby live food, I'd be willing to assume the "food" had already started the decomposition process long before baby Lisa consumed it. That the "food" was in her digestive system for a number of hours, and was decomposing before it became fecal matter! Certainly as baby Lisa disappeared on 10/04/2011 and the cadaver dog did not "hit" until 10/17/2011 as I recall more than ten hours had pasted.....
Originally posted by Dav1d
Perhaps you are unaware that the cadaver dog did not hit on the "floor" near the bed then until the search on 10/17/2011? So no matter what the "hit" was based upon it was not fresh. The hit did not occur within hours, or even days of Lisa going missing but something like two weeks later? Most "tracking" dogs track on scents of hours to perhaps 10 to 12 days. It has been reported that they (the police) had tracking dogs there the day she was reported missing, and multiple days after. Yet none of these tracking dogs picked up on a scent of Lisa.... Indeed it is not until the police decide to put on a media event, that we get the report of a hit, used to justify the search warrant. And then there is the prade where the police walk the giant roll of carpet out, after they call attention to it, so that there is a picture taken..... Of course the police don't actually take a sample of the carpet, why?!? What do the police know, that we don't; could it be how really worthless this hit actually is? Could it be that a sample would give the defense something to actually work with? The carpet that they walked out, to give the media something to focus on came from the garage by the way. ABC showed the parents room with the carpet still on the floor untouched, today.
Originally posted by silo13
NOTE: I don't like this. At all.
Call it what you will but this is all over the net today. I've an obligation to bring it here so here it is. However, for now, I will not give my personal opinion - my choice - and for many reasons I may or may not go into later.
Let the picture do the talking.
The 'then' pictures were taken throughout the last few weeks. The last picture? The 'now' pic was taken just before Deborah and Jeremy joined - for the first time - a prayer vigil for Lisa.
peaceedit on 24-10-2011 by silo13 because: spelling
Originally posted by bluescreen
Hi , first post so please be gentle....
Just a few observations...
I think the police did take a sample of carpet....as in carpet rug.(mentioned earlier in thread)
If you look closely on the news footage (page 41) you can see when the police are removing the carpet it has a *finished edge* (more softer/flexible) than the main body of the carpet.
The size of the rug looks about 3m x 3m(10Ft x 10Ft) to me.(It looks "giant" because how they have rolled it up)
Also on the footage they look like they are walking towards the garage(down the side of the property?)
It also explains why the carpet in the parents room is untouched and very clean...
Anyway i could be wrong but hey i felt i had to post my thoughts on itedit on 24-10-2011 by bluescreen because: wrong page for news footage
Originally posted by antar
Something else odd other than the carpet was in the last TV spot I saw where they take you through the house, the news castor picks up the empty wine box sitting in the kitchen and says that they took the wine to do an experiment to show how something or other matches the whatever. BUT, that's more bs because why would they leave the empty box sitting on the counter? It looked like props to me. Also the house was clean and I think the family went in and cleaned up before the family left and that was interfering with the investigation.edit on 24-10-2011 by antar because: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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In 2001 , My sister Lisa passed away from a suspicious 'accidental drug overdose'. Lisa was the mother of Debbie , the mother of this missing 10 month old. This missing baby was named after her deceased grandmother. I am the Uncle of the mother (Debbie) of this missing child. My sister Lisa had 3 kids and was estranged from her husband , who was thousands of dollars behind in back child support and was living in Delaware close to his estranged wife and his 3 kids. He did not like it on the east coast. He was from Kansas City. My 36 year old sister mysteriously died from what they called an 'accidental overdose'. After her death , her estranged husband who owed thousands in back child support and didn't like living in Delaware anyway , took his 3 kids and returned to Kansas City. Debbie , the mother of this missing child , is one of them 3 kids. Now here we are 10 years after the mysterious and suspicious death of my 36 year old sister Lisa ... and the 10 month old baby who was named after her is missing. I have no been in contact with them for a few years so I don't know what's been going on in Missouri. But I will say that I have always been suspicious about my sister Lisa's estranged husband and whether or not he was involved in her death. He had plenty of motive. And he left Delaware very fast. Lisa's death looked like an accident so it was ruled an accident. But I know my sister and she was smarter than that. And her death occurred on the 10th birthday of her youngest son who found her dead in bed on his birthday. Is the disappearance of this child and the suspicious death of my sister connected ? Is this just a coincidence ? We have one Lisa dead and another Lisa missing. I love my niece Debbie , the mother of this missing child. And I have no idea who her boyfriend is. Nor do I know what was going on in their lives in the past few years. But I do know that I lost my sister Lisa 10 years ago and I will always be very suspicious about her death. Now this poor child is missing. I am curious to know if her grandfather was around.
When Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley arrived back to the house on North Walrond, KCTV5's Bonyen Lee asked the parents of baby Lisa Irwin on Monday if it was true that they were getting paid to avoid local reporters.
"No, not at all," said Deborah Bradley, the mother of the missing baby.
When asked why they would not talk to local reporters, Deborah replied, "Because we are grieving."
WOW.....that is so interesting since I have seen on several blogs from intuitives that they saw/see - revenge, adultery - secret relationship - hidden story......father/mother ( tarot cards come up with the emporess card as prominent and the emporer having a strong presence.)
Originally posted by silo13
Two points here where you can either agree or disagree but the words speak for themselves.
- The cop - a seasoned cop - specifically used the word 'consent. There's no reason to bring up the word if you don't mean you were given consent here and there but not there.
I've posted it probably 4 times now and I'm really not into doing it again.
- When you read the PDF of the original warrant - written (again) by a seasoned cop -believe me - if the dogs had 'hit' ON THE CARPET the cop would have stated ON THE CARPET. She did not.
She specifically stated the dog 'hit' NEAR THE FLOOR in the bedroom by Deborah's bed. What does this mean? It means they didn't have to take the whole carpet or even a piece of it - but they did need to take something NEAR the bed. Since the police officer listed the items removed from the house you can bet whatever those dogs 'hit on' is included in that list.
peace
LISA: Yes. Correct. Based on the lighting. When it reflected off of the gentleman`s head, there was no long hair. To us it appeared as if the gentleman had a bald head.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now when you say -- I`m trying to glean some kind of clue from your incredible eyewitness of this man. And you`ve told the story and yet it leaves us sort of perplexed with the mystery of who is this person.
Can you describe him in more detail? Could you say, anything about his age, his height, his possible ethnicity, anything, and I usually don`t like to focus on that but I`m only focusing on trying to paint a portrait of this man.
And by the way, have cops taken your information so that they can create a sketch? Do you have any word that cops are making a sketch of this man, perhaps?
LISA: The cops did offer to make a sketch for us. However, we didn`t have clear facial features to give them. We were able to describe the man, he was very slender. He was a tall gentleman. He was probably six-foot tall, maybe 5`8" to six-feet tall. So he was a really tall gentleman and he was very, very slender. He was wearing a white T-shirt and some sweat pants.
Let's see, your argument works both ways, in my opinion.
If the dog 'hit' on the carpet the cop would have stated ON THE CARPET. She did not So under this logic why would she have also not said 'ON THE PURPLE SHORTs' if that is what she ment? Or on the rolls of tape? Or on the tape dispenser, or the blanket..... The fact is she stated near the floor, what does this indicate? On the bed? Again if she had ment on the bed, did she choose not to use these words because they were to hard to spell? I don't think so. Perhaps she ment to indicate a spot 2 or 3 inches above the floor where baby Lisa floated. While she was dead?
Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by Dav1d
Let's see, your argument works both ways, in my opinion.
If the dog 'hit' on the carpet the cop would have stated ON THE CARPET. She did not So under this logic why would she have also not said 'ON THE PURPLE SHORTs' if that is what she ment? Or on the rolls of tape? Or on the tape dispenser, or the blanket..... The fact is she stated near the floor, what does this indicate? On the bed? Again if she had ment on the bed, did she choose not to use these words because they were to hard to spell? I don't think so. Perhaps she ment to indicate a spot 2 or 3 inches above the floor where baby Lisa floated. While she was dead?
Minus the sarcasm they're good points though the 'carpet' question lacks basic common sense. (No insult intended!)
Those the CSI, FBI and police are there to find evidence, they want to find evidence. They removed a whole rug at one point. Not an easy thing even with a few people but it proves they had no hesitation to removing a carpet in it's entirety.
When those dogs got a 'hit and if they 'hit' on the rug - why didn't CSI take it? They didn't feel like it? Weren't up for even cutting out a swath? No, there's obviously another reason. Not taking the carpet or a piece of it makes absolutely NO logical sense at all. If those dogs 'hit' on the carpet you can be sure CSI would have have removed it.
So - why didn't they? The answer is right there to read. Because they took the thing or things 'near the floor by the bed'.
The cadaver dogs getting a 'hit' near the floor/bed could very well mean multiple items. The police officer listed multiple items in her report.
Here's the important part.
The cadaver dogs 'hit' in an area by the bed - now - staying consistent with the photo? The dogs (logic would indicate) 'hit' on multiple items - including a glow worm toy, shorts, a cars theme blanket, etc, all listed in the report.
Not until an analysis is done can the officer indict WHAT item in that jumble the dog 'hit' on now can she? She's no cadaver dog - all she sees is multiple items. Meaning she would be creating a false report to list just one of the items when there were more. Look at the photo of the room. Not a picture of cleanliness and neatness by a long shot.
Good question about 'consent' - I'll have to check the dates to make sure I have them correct in my mind. I was under the impression there was a search on entry (consent) and a search later with dogs - with a warrant. Let me unscramble when was when and I'll be back.
peace
edit on 25-10-2011 by silo13 because: ugh bold bbc