Muslim nations demand Israel open its nuke program to IAEA viewing

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

The difference between Israel and Iran, is that Israel isn't rulled by some nutbag who is trying to bring the 12th Imam via mass genocide of jews.

If you are referring to Amenanutjob you're wrong. He doesn't run Iran. Khamani does. Oh, what about the 120 nut jobs that run Israel?

Thats why Iran is developing nuclear weapons.

Are these the same WMD's that Saddam had?

If you have a nuclear reactor, you can make nuclear bombs and Iran does have a weapons program. They've been testing missles too. Simple math. Nuclear reactor+ballistic missles=nuclear weapon capability. I've seen satellite images of their underground missle silos. You all will think its a joke until the bombs start dropping and you start screaming. You wont be laughing then. What part of islam with nuclear weapons doesnt scare you? Islam is intolerant of any other religions and non-believers, and personally i don't like the idea of hamas and hezbollah getting their hands on Iranian nuclear material because they will for damn sure use them. You can say i'm prejudiced but that is not true. You see FAR more muslims blowing people up, kidnapping and sawing peoples' heads off with serrated knives and posting the footage on the internet than you see christians doing that. Now take that blood thirst and put a nuclear warhead on it, then you can add 2+2 and come up with 4 and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to be able to see what a radical muslim will do with a nuclear weapon.

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by Phoenix
reply to post by patternfinder

 

I am feeling so sorry for you - it hurts.

i apologize for causing you to feel that way

twasn't my intention to hurt you.....i just believe that morality should trump national loyalty any day....wouldn't you agree?

Its hard to agree with a moral position that would result in millions dying - sorry - can't see that logic. Where and how do you see this potential genocide as a moral problem to ponder at ones leisure, are you numb to suffering?

Basic fact here is if Israel shows any weakness then it will be over run by it enemies - do you deny this? will those enemies be gentle benevolent occupiers? - don't kid me! Millions will suffer for your political satisfaction that IS the bottom line here isn't it.

No less than national socialism lives, eh.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

What part of islam with nuclear weapons doesnt scare you?

Israel are a KNOWN aggressor and them having nuclear weapons scares me far more...
Their Sampson option does not discriminate, it takes out many regardless of the situation..

They are a KNOWN THREAT...

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

What part of islam with nuclear weapons doesnt scare you?

Israel are a KNOWN aggressor and them having nuclear weapons scares me far more...
Their Sampson option does not discriminate, it takes out many regardless of the situation..

They are a KNOWN THREAT...

Can you provide a proving legitimate link that proves your assertions about the Samson option targeting being indiscriminate - better yet how it would actually be triggered.

before spouting off unsubstantiated rumor.

reply to post by Phoenix


And yet oddly even many pro Israeli posters pull out the Sampson option as an excuse for everyone to let Israel do as it pleases..

The Sampson option is like Israel's Nuclear weapons program, a very badly kept secret..

I'm sure you can google it but honestly doubt you need too..
I'm sure you are fully aware of the details.

reply to post by backinblack


So basically in a round-about way you're saying,

You cannot support your assertions.

Originally posted by Phoenix
reply to post by backinblack

 

So basically in a round-about way you're saying,

You cannot support your assertions.

No, I'm saying I don't believe I need to because you are fully aware of the Sampson option, like most, but are merely playing dumb..

Though playing dumb does suit you.

Originally posted by Phoenix

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by Phoenix
reply to post by patternfinder

 

I am feeling so sorry for you - it hurts.

i apologize for causing you to feel that way

twasn't my intention to hurt you.....i just believe that morality should trump national loyalty any day....wouldn't you agree?

Its hard to agree with a moral position that would result in millions dying - sorry - can't see that logic. Where and how do you see this potential genocide as a moral problem to ponder at ones leisure, are you numb to suffering?

Basic fact here is if Israel shows any weakness then it will be over run by it enemies - do you deny this? will those enemies be gentle benevolent occupiers? - don't kid me! Millions will suffer for your political satisfaction that IS the bottom line here isn't it.

No less than national socialism lives, eh.

well, i can positively say, that i would rather have israel feel the brunt of it than any other nation.......after the jewish bolsheviks killed around 10 million muslims and christians and now they have surrounded the very peoples that they evicted and have put a barbed wire fence around their living quarters in prison fashion, and go in with their tanks and bulldozers every day and kill the women and children and bulldoze their homes, then they are getting caught all over the world in black ops missions, i'd say what's good for the goose is good for the gander, i hope you agree.....

reply to post by backinblack


Did you ever think that some reading this thread might not be aware of the Samson option and what and why it would be implemented, care to deny ignorance backinblack?

Or are you just plain out of legitimate sourcing to support your assertion that its indiscriminate?

I am am sure we all want to be educated - so please produce!

reply to post by Phoenix


Do you not believe there is a Sampson option??

It only pulls 7.45 million hits in google.

www.google.com.au...=en&sugexp=pfwc&cp=10&gs_id=14&xhr=t&q=samson+option&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=sampson+op&aq=0s&aqi=g-s4&aql= f&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e63f411d40bdb19e&biw=939&bih=577

Originally posted by patternfinder

well, i can positively say, that i would rather have israel feel the brunt of it than any other nation.......after the jewish bolsheviks killed around 10 million muslims and christians and now they have surrounded the very peoples that they evicted and have put a barbed wire fence around their living quarters in prison fashion, and go in with their tanks and bulldozers every day and kill the women and children and bulldoze their homes, then they are getting caught all over the world in black ops missions, i'd say what's good for the goose is good for the gander, i hope you agree.....

Ok, I am completely fooled by propaganda, but just where do you find this type of ...... information to support that statement above or is it your opinion.

Still you should be remorseful for calling for the violent death of millions - do you not see the underlying problem here?

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Phoenix

 

Do you not believe there is a Sampson option??

It only pulls 7.45 million hits in google.

www.google.com.au...=en&sugexp=pfwc&cp=10&gs_id=14&xhr=t&q=samson+option&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=sampson+op&aq=0s&aqi=g-s4&aql= f&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e63f411d40bdb19e&biw=939&bih=577

That's fine and dandy but it does not answer my question, which is "can you find a legitimate source that supports your assertions" please!

I can do a search on candy canes and say I have 50,000,000 hits but it tells you nothing about them!

reply to post by Phoenix

That's fine and dandy but it does not answer my question, which is "can you find a legitimate source that supports your assertions" please!

I can do a search on candy canes and say I have 50,000,000 hits but it tells you nothing about them!

If you're asking for a document written by an Israeli official then no..
It's not really something they like to put on paper, like their nuclear weapons program or their real agenda in Palestine..

BTW, you didn't answer my question..
Do you believe in the Sampson Option??

Originally posted by backinblack

If you're asking for a document written by an Israeli official then no..
It's not really something they like to put on paper, like their nuclear weapons program or their real agenda in Palestine..

BTW, you didn't answer my question..
Do you believe in the Sampson Option??

If I was a member of the Israeli leadership, yes I would have a so called Samson option in place, it would only be common sense given the circumstances. Yes if I go down so do you!

That one fact is all that has stopped Israels enemies from over-running that country IMHO

Now that I have positively answered your question my I have the grace of an answer on my question.

"Show me where Samson is indiscriminate" using a legitimate source.

I and many will be awaiting your real and actual legitimate answer from a reliable source.

Phoenix

Originally posted by Phoenix

Originally posted by patternfinder

well, i can positively say, that i would rather have israel feel the brunt of it than any other nation.......after the jewish bolsheviks killed around 10 million muslims and christians and now they have surrounded the very peoples that they evicted and have put a barbed wire fence around their living quarters in prison fashion, and go in with their tanks and bulldozers every day and kill the women and children and bulldoze their homes, then they are getting caught all over the world in black ops missions, i'd say what's good for the goose is good for the gander, i hope you agree.....

Ok, I am completely fooled by propaganda, but just where do you find this type of ...... information to support that statement above or is it your opinion.

Still you should be remorseful for calling for the violent death of millions - do you not see the underlying problem here?

why, yes it is provable...not just my opinion....there are many sources out there, and don't have the time to go back through them....but i have gone through all of them....if you don't believe my assertions i welcome you to get those little fingers typing and see which of these assertions you can debunk.....

The "Samson Option" absolutely exists, and for good reason. It is a military doctrine adopted by the earliest Israeli regimes based on a deterrence strategy. Israel's secrecy regarding it's nuclear weapons capabilities is based on a similar deterrence doctrine.

The "Samson Option" is essentially a warning to Israel's enemies that if Israel is ever threatened with nuclear annihilation, they have the capability of launching an immediate nuclear counter strike by land, sea, or air, even if the country itself is destroyed in a preemptive nuclear attack.

Israel is one of several first world countries with the ability to launch an immediate nuclear counter strike in the event of disaster. It is an absolute necessity given the hostile nature of certain Islamic countries in the middle east towards Israel.

Let's hope Israel, or any other country for that matter, is never put in a position to exercise the dreaded last resort.

reply to post by patternfinder


Seems to be the standard answer tonight, "I know it true, I really really believe it , just trust me, OK dammit go find it yourself!"

You guys are simply entertaining but I sincerely see I have nothing to learn in this debate by continuing tonight, maybe some more learned posters will come along tomorrow who can actually base opinion on fact, quotable fact as it were.

Good night children,

Phoenix

reply to post by Phoenix

I doubt any source would be legitimate to you..

In 2003, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel’s Hebrew University, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[19] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[20]

en.wikipedia.org...

Bold text by me..

Originally posted by Phoenix
reply to post by patternfinder

 

Seems to be the standard answer tonight, "I know it true, I really really believe it , just trust me, OK dammit go find it yourself!"

You guys are simply entertaining but I sincerely see I have nothing to learn in this debate by continuing tonight, maybe some more learned posters will come along tomorrow who can actually base opinion on fact, quotable fact as it were.

Good night children,

Phoenix

i really don't have the time at the moment, i'm writing a thesis on the effects that vibration has on thought patterns.....any researcher worth their salts would have already came across this information and i have a strong intuition that your perspective would be hindered by "proof' as much as you yourself would be hindered by spaghetti noodle handcuffs.....

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


F&S, I too am sick of this double standard. I can't believe the hypocrisy being demonstrated here, not just by Israel either. The U.S. is just as complicit in this cover-up as they are, especially seeing how we've been looking the other way and ignoring the obvious every since Mordechai Vanunu first exposed their secret arsenal back in 1986.

en.wikipedia.org...

Mordechai Vanunu (Hebrew: מרדכי ואנונו‎); (born 14 October 1954) is a former Israeli nuclear technician who, citing his opposition to weapons of mass destruction, revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986.[2][3] He was subsequently lured to Italy by a Mossad agent, where he was drugged and kidnapped by Israeli intelligence agents.[2] He was transported to Israel and ultimately convicted in a trial that was held behind closed doors.[2]

Vanunu spent 18 years in prison, including more than 11 in solitary confinement. Released from prison in 2004, he became subject to a broad array of restrictions on his speech and movement.

Vanunu has been characterized internationally as a whistleblower[6][7] and by Israel as a traitor.[8][9][10][11] Daniel Ellsberg has referred to him as "the preeminent hero of the nuclear era".[12]

The name "Vanunu" is quite common in Israel today and it's used to describe the process of being railroaded by the Israeli government. Some might say, "I would never do that because I'd get Vanunu-ed."

The hypocrisy is overwhelming and sickening. And to think that we "wonder" why people blow themselves up, shoot missiles across borders or fly planes into buildings. Maybe they're just sick and tired of being repressed by such a bunch of hypocritical overlords. Not that I support terrorism in any way, don't get me wrong, I don't! It's just that I'm not going to turn just as big a blind eye to the "why" behind terrorism as we have to Israel's nukes.