US Walks out during ahmadinejad speech

reply to post by SplitInfinity

Maybe not my place to respond, but, what the heck.
Ahmadinejad said nothing in his speech that I can see that is wrong.
The "Holocaust" as taught in the west is a big lie. The Holocaust that NATO is doing doesn't get talked about.
You say he is a nut. Perhaps he is. But "glorifying" (your words) a speech? What does that even mean?
Singling out a leader of a nation, and judging that leader is something that the United States selectively does whenever it serves the purposes of the LEADERS of the United States.
Why are we even talking about Iran? Why are we talking about Ahmadinejad?
Because it suits the purposes of the Corporations that run our government to judge him and ultimately, to kill Iranians in HIS name.
Don't you get it?
The pages of history are stained with the blood of innocent people. At some point, you have blood on your hands whether you actually DO the killing, or you simply empower the killers.

reply to post by SirClem


Interesting thoughts to be sure, but it doesnt answer the question asked.

The US government is free to do business with whatever country they choose, and other countries, including Iran are free to make the same decisions.

Instead of explaining why Ahmadenijad is correct, you circle back with the holocaust is a lie in the west and one in libya is being ignored. If we wish to bring up Libya we can, specifically the 13 mass graves located around tripoli courtesy of the huggy cuddles Mr. Ghaddafi. Those 13 are small in comparison to the one that has over 1,200-1,700 human remains.

It has been confirmed by independant sources (international red cross / red crescent) that the bones are in fact human and that their death is a result of Ghaddafi and his government prior to him being ousted (the mass gravedates back to 1996).

Respectfully, could you take another crack at answering splits question on what you support Ahmadenijad? This is a perfect example for you and others on that side of the fence to point stuff out we may not know about. Either way we are bound to learn something from it.

Thanks

Originally posted by SirClem
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Maybe not my place to respond, but, what the heck.
Ahmadinejad said nothing in his speech that I can see that is wrong.

They have been trolling this thread and have dismissed actual transcripts where he does not deny the holocaust but calls or revisionism. Wonders why after almost 60 million civilians killed in WW2 why are the jews the victims. Do understand that most of the jews were from Poland? So why do the Palestinians have to pay for the holocaust.

If you want to lie and regurgitate idiocies saying that he denied the holocaust you better get the actual quote and transcript rather than some childish, moronic new headline. Transcripts.... Right click mouse and choose copy text then print on here with link.
Ty...

Please no more trolling. If you cant handle a conversation go back to playing wow or Cod > maybe you are realizing that you dont have the mental capacity to handle such subjects. Its ok. I dont post in the quantum physics forums.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
They have been trolling this thread and have dismissed actual transcripts where he does not deny the holocaust but calls or revisionism. Wonders why after almost 60 million civilians killed in WW2 why are the jews the victims. Do understand that most of the jews were from Poland? So why do the Palestinians have to pay for the holocaust.

60 million killed by war, and 6 million of those were targeted by the Nazis for extermination. It shows a complete lack of knowledge when you attempt to compare the deaths in the same manner. about 15-20 million people were killed by Stalin, yet that is not widely reported either.

Why?

Because they were not killed because of their religion.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Say he denied the holocaust you better get the actual quote and transcript rather than some childish, moronic new headline. Transcripts.... Right click mouse and chouse copy text then print on here with link.\\
Ty...

Actually we have provided not only news accounts, but transcripts, as well as video of Ahamdenijad himself saying the holocaust was a lie. What happened is you and others ignore and dismiss it because it doesnt support your argument in the thread. Instead you turned to name calling and political baiting and trolling to make your argument, which is just sad.

When we requested you provide info supporting your claim, you dismissed it and threw somewhat of a hissyfit on not needing to provide anything to anyone. People need to understand that people on this website are from all over the world, so techniques used by governments in the Middle East when it comes to progpoganda and the circular argument game dont really work all that well on this site.

its a known tactic and it occurs way to often in this area of conversation.

Feel free to provide sources / text / etx to support your claims about Ahmadenijad.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Please no more trolling. If you can handle a conversation go back to playing wow or Cod.

تنصهر فيها. يجتمع تأجج. أما بالنسبة نفاق للفوز.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by SirClem

 

Interesting thoughts to be sure, but it doesnt answer the question asked.

The US government is free to do business with whatever country they choose, and other countries, including Iran are free to make the same decisions.

No they dont, read your constitution.

It has been confirmed by independant sources (international red cross / red crescent) that the bones are in fact human and that their death is a result of Ghaddafi and his government prior to him being ousted (the mass gravedates back to 1996).

What nonsensical point are your trying to make? How about the 1 million civilians killed or injured in Iraq? The world feels and knows that the US is the most gruesome, barbaric, idiotic, brutish, force terrorizing the world today(funny thing is some americans take that as a compliment) but yet Iranian and other countries dont hate Americans, they hate the government who kills for money under the guise of freedom.
Get your head out of your butt before you poop.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
They have been trolling this thread and have dismissed actual transcripts where he does not deny the holocaust but calls or revisionism. Wonders why after almost 60 million civilians killed in WW2 why are the jews the victims. Do understand that most of the jews were from Poland? So why do the Palestinians have to pay for the holocaust.

60 million killed by war, and 6 million of those were targeted by the Nazis for extermination. It shows a complete lack of knowledge when you attempt to compare the deaths in the same manner. about 15-20 million people were killed by Stalin, yet that is not widely reported either.

Oh! em-Gee. Get your facts straight before you look like a fool. Civilians killed totaled from 40 to 52 million, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine. Total military dead: from 22 to 25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 5 million prisoners of war.

The Soviet Union lost the most with a shameful, staggering est. 25 MILLION civilians. China comes in second with around 16 MILLION and dont forget the 6 MILLION Japanese some were holocausted with 2 atom bombs that only targeted civilians. So actually Hiroshima made the holocaust look like a bus accident.

Sie sind Schlusse.

In response to several above posts...I personaly could care less about what this nut says about the Holocaust....I am sure there are others here and around the world who take great offense...but I know it to be a reality...so what he says is laughable.

The issue that I am concerned with is his slight of hand where he will bring up any and all issues that enflame muslim sensibilities in an effort to divert attention from Irans skirting of Nuclear Inspections as they have agreed to due to the nuclear Nonproliferation treaty. They recieved nuclear tech that they had no ability to develop on their own and therfore must abide by the treaties rules. They have not.

It is but a matter of time before his own people throw him out of power as well as they will throw out the old religious leadership...but in the meantime....they are playing a very deadly game that could have nasty repercussions for their people by proxy.

Make no mistake and have no illusions that there will soon come a time that the U.S. will have to do something about this....and if you care about the people in this region of the world....be afraid of THAT. This little bastard would rather put a whole region of the planet at risk than loose power or do what is necessary for his own people to live a free and prosperous life. Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Make no mistake and have no illusions that there will soon come a time that the U.S. will have to do something about this....and if you care about the people in this region of the world....be afraid of THAT. This little bastard would rather put a whole region of the planet at risk than loose power or do what is necessary for his own people to live a free and prosperous life. Split Infinity

Where do you get these foolish thoughts from?

For a second there I was thinking, are you talking about Bush back a few years ?

Go pick on North Korea, or other countries that spend trillions of dollars shedding blood on foreign soil for personal gain with no care for life, the life of babies, mothers, sisters, brothers and fathers.

When one day you reach a certain degree of understanding and enlightenment you will regret but forgive yourself for such vain, prideful and ignorant opinions.

These are not MY opinions but actual planned contingency plans that the Pentagon has developed. Look at the U.S. military reaction to a terrorist attack on a few buildings....now how do you think the U.S. would react to a country that has stated its plans to wipe Israel off the map once it develops a nuke?

Split Infinity

A note to the active participants of this thread.
On one side, we have the "accepted official mainstream viewpoint", and on the other, the "radical unofficial dissident viewpoint"
YOU can figure out what I am talking about if you have a brain. If not, keep reading anyway...we can't all be leaders.
I see one side that has an open mind where TRUTH is the judge, and this person strives to fill that role.
I see one side that defends the government, the Pentagon, and our aggressive military actions overseas.
Pretty simple in my opinion. You either defend the government or you defend truth.
You can't have it both ways.

reply to post by Xcathdra


" 60 million killed by war, and 6 million of those were targeted by the Nazis for extermination."

Everyone killed was targeted by someone..

Many fringe tribes suffered.. the idea an ancient flock of opinionated blah blahs was special, their deaths & suffering unique.. is ridiculous.

Then again giving every flock stolen land as a sanctuary wouldn't fit the elites agenda, eh?

Originally posted by SirClem
A note to the active participants of this thread.
On one side, we have the "accepted official mainstream viewpoint", and on the other, the "radical unofficial dissident viewpoint"
YOU can figure out what I am talking about if you have a brain. If not, keep reading anyway...we can't all be leaders.
I see one side that has an open mind where TRUTH is the judge, and this person strives to fill that role.
I see one side that defends the government, the Pentagon, and our aggressive military actions overseas.
Pretty simple in my opinion. You either defend the government or you defend truth.
You can't have it both ways.

Your statement is based on a preconcieved notion that the truth is ALWAYS separate and completely opposite from any Military or govermental standpoint.

You also assume...incorrectly...that a peson whos beliefs are similar to a specific groups position...is part of that group.

What you HAVE NOT INVISIONED....is that a person may be a possition to understand by presented realities and job experience...what is a reality....and stands by this understanding not out of some loyalty but because it is the truth.

Yes...the United States ALWAYS acts in it's best interests. Yes...sometimes the actions of a SUPERPOWER are akin to an ELEPHANT IN A CHINA SHOP. And...Yes...sometimes the United States creates its own problems. But....these things are imaterial as they apply to KNOWN MURDEROUS LEADER SUCH AS IRANS WHO USES U.S. FAULTS TO COVER HIS OWN CRIMES!

Reguardless of all this...and reguardless of what any one person believes....there a certain realities of action that will occur....as the past has shown...when a SUPERPOWER is forced into action.

FACT....IRAN was given nuclear tech. FACT....IRAN is not abiding by the NUCLEAR NON-PROLIFERATION TREATY. FACT...IRAN is building huge numbers of ceterfuges in order to obtain WARHEAD QUALITY AND QUANTITY AMOUNTS OF FISILE MATERIAL. FACT...IRAN has banned Nuclear Regulators from inspecting its plants. FACT....IRAN has built secret Nuclear Enrichment plants in hardened facilities underground that are in massive excess to their Nuclear fue needs as well as being illegal. FACT.....and this point evryone should be concerned about....the CIA as well as Space Command and the DOD have DETAILED DATA FOR TARGET AQUISITION of these illegal underground plants. FACT....IRANIAN leaders have stated that they will wipe Israel off the map. FACT...IRAN is the main weapons supplier for Islamic Jihad as well as Hezzbolla.

FACT....and this has been detailed in not only Pentagon Contingency Plans but Middle East Military and Political Think Tanks in Georgetown and Langley.....If IRAN has been determined to have aquired Nuclear Weapons....an immediate blockade of all trade...supplied by both Land and Air or Sea...will immediatly begin. If IRAN makes even ONE hostile statement toward Israel or U.S. interests after aquiring nukes...the United States will choose the option of Military action against IRAN before Israel does this in an effort to prevent an even greater backlash by Middle eastern nations that would be incensed by any Israeli military action but inclined to SUPPORT U.S. MILITARY ACTION. Split Infinity

As i said, and have been saying -

Hamas: 'Resistance' against Israel is only option left for Palestinians

Hamas leader Khaled Meshal told an international conference in Iran on Saturday that "resistance" was the only option left for the Palestinians.

Meshal was addressing the "5th International Conference in Support of the Palestinian Intifada" in Iran’s capital Tehran.

"Palestinians must resort to resistance no matter how costly it is, until Palestine is free and Israel is destroyed," Meshal said.

further...

Khamenei also called Israel a "cancerous tumor" that should be removed.

Hamas / Arab govwernments arent serious about peace, and they do not care about the Palestinian people. They continually hijack that issue to continue their jihad to take Israel off the map.

reply to post by SplitInfinity

First, yes, the truth is always separate from any government and military standpoint. The fact that we disagree on such a fundamental TRUTH is a testament that a discussion with you is futile.
A government ALWAYS perpetuates itself because it is made up of people. Truth is never the objective of government.
The military serves the government. Truth is never the objective of the military.

TRUTH is something that a very few people strive for because they cannot live a lie.

I don't expect you to understand.

reply to post by Xcathdra

Hey X, how about this scenario.
Israel is not "wiped" off the map, they self-destruct.
Is that more palatable?
What if the prophecy they created doesn't happen like they want? What a concept.....

Originally posted by SirClem
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Hey X, how about this scenario.
Israel is not "wiped" off the map, they self-destruct.
Is that more palatable?
What if the prophecy they created doesn't happen like they want? What a concept.....

Or we can deal in the present and current reality, which is Hamas /. Iraning government wanting Israel wiped off the map and are using the Palestinian issue as their excuse to accomplish that.

Its sad when Israel is more concerned about the Palestinian people than Hamas / Iran / radical arab groups are.

Say what you want, but Hamas has not once, ever, been as concerned about the situation as Israel has been. Hamas has gone on record stating their goals from the get go, and people continually want to make excuses for them.

How about you and the others just come out and state you hate Jews and are in favor of assisting Hamas in killing as many as possible? That is essentially what you and others are doing everytime you try to clarify the mad rantings of Hamas / Iranian Government.

Even when confronted with video of Ahmadenijad calling for the destruction of Israel, people still try to say he said something else.

Apparently Hamas is not the only group who are detached from reality eh?

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
No they dont, read your constitution.

I have and am quite familiar with it. The Us government is free to do business with any government they choose, and those govierments are free to do the same. Maybe you should not only read it, but actually understand it, before commenting on it eh?

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
....flush......

The term you are looking for is called obfuscation and we are very familiar with how it works on this site because its used so often by people who are pushing propoganda in support of Hamas and Iran. Ghaddafi was not the angel others are trying to make him out to be. He has done systematic killings, just as Hamas and Iran.

Thank you for proving my point though that you are incapable of actually responding with anything to support what you are trying to say, instead you resort to name calling and bringing up incidents that have nothing to do with the topic of conversation.

Should we discuss the millions of Iraqi people that Hussein killed while he was the dictator in charge?

In anticipation of your non response, if all you are going to do is resort to name calling, dont bother responding. We have enough people like that on this site and all they do is derail the thread and drag it into an area of nothing more than a round robbin game of double speak and constant claims with no proof.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Right... My facts are correct.

You are the one who made the rediculous comparison of jews killed vs total war dead. What you are trying to do is donwplay the holocaust, provided you even beleive it occured.

There is a difference between war dead, and the systematic detention, shipping and execution of jews.

If you dont know the difference, then you really should learn history. If you need more modern example just read up on Hamas and Iran, as they both are continuing the efforts of the 3rd Reich and extermination of the jews.

The bring it back around to being on topic, these issues would be the reason the Us and other countries walked out on ahmadenijad. When Ahmadenijad continually spews the same crap year after year after year, there is no point on heaaring it.

While Ahmadenijad was doing that, other countries decidede they are more concerned about resolving world issues, rather than enhancing those issues with ignorance as Ahmadenijad has done.

reply to post by Xcathdra

I would like to see Israel gone.
OH MY.
They are governed by terrorists. If Nazi Germany should be wiped off of the map, so should Israel.
Fair is fair.

Originally posted by SirClem
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

I would like to see Israel gone.
OH MY.
They are governed by terrorists. If Nazi Germany should be wiped off of the map, so should Israel.
Fair is fair.

And the failure of your logic is complete.

Germany, a country, is still present alive and well. Nazi's, a political party, was defeated. However, as you incorrectly claim, was not wiped off the map. The Nationalist Socialist movement is still alive in well on all continents. If you need some exampled of where the Nazi goals are at work, check out Iran and Hamas.

try again...