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The bible is a historical document
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by Connector
So your trying to say that macro evolution has been recreated in a lab?
finds that children exposed to secondhand smoke in the home are twice as likely to develop either ADHD or a learning disability.
Experts do know that ADHD has a strong genetic component. In addition, they think that genes that control the levels of certain chemicals in the brain called neurotransmitters seem to be different in those with ADHD.
What is the genetic connection to ADHD? ADHD tends to run in families. Studies have shown certain genetic characteristics that occur with high frequency in families where one or more family member has ADHD. Also, if one or both parents have ADHD, their children are more likely to develop the condition. And at least one-third of all fathers who had ADHD in their youth have children with ADHD.
In some cases, though, there is no genetic link to ADHD.
Well there is no way you can prove or disprove something from that erra. The fact is that there were to many people involved in the making of the bible for it to be fake.
Grimms' Fairy Tales is also a historical document. By your logic, that collection of stories are actual real accounts of history, too.
If I were to come here and use this collection of stories as evidence that the characters contained in them are true and the events actually happened, wouldn't I need to bring something else to back that up? A book cannot be used as evidence that what is contained in that book is true.
Then maybe I should rephrase what I'm saying. Macroevolution has never been witnessed anywhere.
So your trying to say that macro evolution has been recreated in a lab?
No, I am not saying anything. I posted a link pertaining to the thread discussion. Pretty simple. Why do you always feel the need to rephrase peoples posts and tell them what they are saying? They are saying what they posted
Good so now your getting the point. Second hand smoke can cause a disease in a thrid party that would be viewd as a genetic change, or evolution, yet its not. So my point is that not every change can accounted for in evolution. But its actually worse, not any change can be accounted for in evolution because they can't identify the changes and where they are coming from.
finds that children exposed to secondhand smoke in the home are twice as likely to develop either ADHD or a learning disability.
This has absolutely nothing to do with with evolution. Exposure to contaminants as a child causing metal disabilities is NOT evolution. But guess what? ADHD seems to be mostly genetic and the introduction of those contaminants COULD be triggering the genetic defect passed down from their parents. Ya know....sort of like one of the base premises of evolution, the passing on of genetic defects to offspring. This also backs up what people have been trying to tell you. Evolution is just a word for a process. It has no goals, no end game, for better or worse.
It's admitted right there that its a genetic change. AKA evoltuion to some.
ADD & ADHD Health Center.
Experts do know that ADHD has a strong genetic component. In addition, they think that genes that control the levels of certain chemicals in the brain called neurotransmitters seem to be different in those with ADHD
So it becomes an autosomal dominate gene, not cool. But all change in the eyes of evolution either way.
What is the genetic connection to ADHD? ADHD tends to run in families. Studies have shown certain genetic characteristics that occur with high frequency in families where one or more family member has ADHD. Also, if one or both parents have ADHD, their children are more likely to develop the condition. And at least one-third of all fathers who had ADHD in their youth have children with ADHD.
None the less its a change that would be counted as evolution. This is why I'm calling BS on evolution, its not.
and it is caused by contaminants ( as per your smoking example), head injuries, low birth weight, unhealthy pregnancy, etc. Again that is not evolution. It is happening after the genetic combination i.e fertilization. If they pass that genetic trait on though, well........
DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD (Bureau of Legal Dentistry), a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes."[4] Further DNA testing in 2003 at Trace Genetics, which specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, isolated mitochondrial DNA from both recovered skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C. Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusively from the mother, it makes it possible to trace the offspring's maternal lineage. The DNA test therefore confirmed that the child's mother was a Haplogroup C human female. However, the adult female found with the child belonged to haplogroup A. Both haplotypes are characteristic Native American haplogroups, but the different haplogroup for each skull indicates that the adult female was not the child's mother.[3]
At the age of 19, von Däniken was given a four-month suspended sentence for theft. [7] Von Däniken withdrew from school, and became apprenticed to a Swiss hotelier.[8] After moving to Egypt, he was convicted for fraud and embezzlement.[7] He then became manager of the Hotel Rosenhügel in Davos, Switzerland, during which time he wrote Chariots of the Gods?, working on the manuscript late at night after the hotel's guests had retired.[9] In December 1964, von Däniken wrote Hatten unsere Vorfahren Besuch aus dem Weltraum? ("Did our Ancestors have a Visit from Space?") for the German-Canadian periodical Der Nordwesten.[10] Chariots of the Gods? was accepted by a publisher in early 1967, and printed in March 1968.[9] In November 1968 von Däniken was arrested for fraud, after falsifying hotel records and credit references in order to take out loans[9] for $130,000 over a period of twelve years. He used the money for foreign travel to research his book.[7] Two years later,[9] von Däniken was convicted for "repeated and sustained" embezzlement, fraud and forgery, with the court ruling that the writer had been living a "playboy" lifestyle.[5] Von Däniken entered a plea for nullity on the grounds that his intentions were not malicious and the credit institutions were at fault for failing to adequately research his references.[9][5][7] Von Däniken was sentenced on 13 February 1970 to three and a half years imprisonment and fined 3,000 francs.[9][11] He served one year of this sentence before being released.[7][12] His first book, Chariots of the Gods?, had been published by the time of his trial, and its sales allowed him to repay his debts and leave the hotel business. Von Däniken wrote his second book, Gods from Outer Space, while in prison.[7][5]
That writing as careless as von Däniken's, whose principal thesis is that our ancestors were dummies, should be so popular is a sober commentary on the credulousness and despair of our times. But the idea that beings from elsewhere will save us from ourselves is a very dangerous doctrine - akin to that of the quack doctor whose ministrations prevent the patient from seeing a physician competent to help him and perhaps to cure his disease. —Carl Sagan, Foreword to The Space Gods Revealed[14]
Other authors had already presented ideas of extraterrestrial contacts in the past. Däniken made the same claims using similar evidence, sometimes identical, didn't credit properly these past authors and sometimes didn't give any credit at all.[15][notes 1]
In Chariots of the Gods?, Däniken wrote that a non-rusting iron pillar in Delhi, India was evidence of extraterrestrial influence.[17] In a later Playboy interview, when told that the column showed some signs of rust and its method of construction was well understood, Däniken said that since writing the book he had learned of investigations reaching other conclusions, and no longer considered the pillar to be a mystery.[18][19]
Prof. Ronald H. Fritze,[22] author of the book Invented Knowledge: False History, Fake Science and Pseudo-religions,[22] mentions the example of Sitchin's claim that the Sumerian sign Din-Gir means "pure ones of the blazing rockets", adding that "Sitchin's assignment of meanings to ancient words is tendentious and frequently strained."[23] Fritze also commented on Sitchin's methodology, writing that "When critics have checked Sitchin's references, they have found that he frequently quotes out of context or truncates his quotes in a way that distorts evidence in order to prove his contentions. Evidence is presented selectively and contradictory evidence is ignored."[23]
Sitchin's linguistics seems at least as amateurish as his anthropology, biology, and astronomy. On p. 370, for example, he maintains that "all the ancient languages . . . including early Chinese . . . stemmed from one primeval source -- Sumerian". Sumerian, of course, is the virtual archetype of what linguistic taxonomists call a language-isolate, meaning a language that does not fall into any of the well-known language-families or exhibit clear cognation with any known language. Even if Sitchin is referring to written rather than to spoken language, it is unlikely that his contention can be persuasively defended, since Sumerian ideograms were preceded by the Azilian and Tartarian signaries of Europe as well as by a variety of script-like notational systems between the Nile and Indus rivers.[27]
How can anyone prove it wrong when it was never proven right to begin with. I have never read anything that says evolution was anything more than a hypothesis.
The above post has zero objective evidence.
It's obvious to anyone with a half a brain your trying to forge (yet another) straw-man argument.
If you think *proving evolution wrong* is your job...YOUR FIRED.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by flyingfish
How can anyone prove it wrong when it was never proven right to begin with. I have never read anything that says evolution was anything more than a hypothesis.
The above post has zero objective evidence.
It's obvious to anyone with a half a brain your trying to forge (yet another) straw-man argument.
If you think *proving evolution wrong* is your job...YOUR FIRED.
The passing on of genes is NOT evolution.
God ( pun intended).....I can't be bothered replying claim by claim to this nonsense you've posted. Ironically, you are basically agreeing with me on and you don't even realize it.
He's the cliff notes:
A genetic change/mutation to an already living person, caused by environmental influence is not evolution. The passing on, to offspring, of those changes/mutations is.
Now that is something new, now your telling me that evolution is responsible for more than changes, imagine that. The next thing you know evolution will be responsible for my paycheck.
Getting lung cancer from cigarette smoke is not evolution. If you were to pass on a gene that increases your chance of lung cancer, it is evolution.....genetic disposition. It's pretty simple. Have you ever breed anything? Plants, animals etc? It is evolution in it's simplest form.
Then you must have some mixed feelings thinking we evolved from here when you also think we possibly aren't even from here.
I can't believe that I replied to this nonsense again. The funny thing is, I have researched alien intervention deeply and do think there is a possibility that it did indeed occur. At the same time, the evidence for evolution is blindly obvious and does not go against intervention. In other words ( save you re-phrasing my sentence), intervention and evolution can go hand in hand. Did we receive a evolutionary "bump" in the past...perhaps, but we know that evolution is happening.
Oh please, I even came up with target food which was necessary to provide answers to the problem solving. I never contradicted myself except one time where I wasn't including aquatic life in the math.
The thing is, you've done such a p1ss poor job of making any reasonable argument/debate, it makes the whole idea look ridiculous You've mis-used terms, make terms up, contradicted yourself numerous times, changed positions, provided NO veritable facts, no peer reviewed papers, blatantly lied, used ad hominem and straw-man tactics, declared that no one has proven you wrong when they have MANY times, don't bother to read or study the info that has been presented or even the info/links YOU provide, shown a poor level of reading comprehension, claimed passages from the bible ( i.e human living in a whale) are fact with no proof other then the bible itself, yet demand laboratory/scientific proof for evolution ( and it has been provided)....The sad thing is you don't even understand the basic principles of evolution, nor do you wish to learn.
This is what I mean about you not having a clue how to pick your battles. Pye has the ONLY proof of the skull, so what the hell are you going to do to prove it wrong?
And so I don't have to respond to the meaningless and factless reply that will surely follow....
No the bible is not acceptable as veritable proof. As another posted stated...a book cannot be used to confirm itself as true. Can it be used to cross reference...sure.
Lord Pye and the "Star child":
DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD (Bureau of Legal Dentistry), a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes."[4] Further DNA testing in 2003 at Trace Genetics, which specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, isolated mitochondrial DNA from both recovered skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C. Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusiv
Exactly correct, and this lab only had the ability to test the mtDNA back at that time, so Pye had to wait years for Nuclear DNA testing to even be possible because he had reason to believe that it might hold additional information. And it did, the nuclear was not human, which was the whole story of the skull,, but I guess you missed the most imortant part.
DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD (Bureau of Legal Dentistry), a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes."[4] Further DNA testing in 2003 at Trace Genetics, which specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, isolated mitochondrial DNA from both recovered skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C. Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusively from the mother, it makes it possible to trace the offspring's maternal lineage. The DNA test therefore confirmed that the child's mother was a Haplogroup C human female. However, the adult female found with the child belonged to haplogroup A. Both haplotypes are characteristic Native American haplogroups, but the different haplogroup for each skull indicates that the adult female was not the child's mother.[3
I have allready explained that just because he made a mistake is not conclusive proof that ALL of his work much less any of the rest of his work is not credible.
At the age of 19, von Däniken was given a four-month suspended sentence for theft. [7] Von Däniken withdrew from school, and became apprenticed to a Swiss hotelier.[8] After moving to Egypt, he was convicted for fraud and embezzlement.[7] He then became manager of the Hotel Rosenhügel in Davos, Switzerland, during which time he wrote Chariots of the Gods?, working on the manuscript late at night after the hotel's guests had retired.[9] In December 1964, von Däniken wrote Hatten unsere Vorfahren Besuch aus dem Weltraum? ("Did our Ancestors have a Visit from Space?") for the German-Canadian periodical Der Nordwesten.[10] Chariots of the Gods? was accepted by a publisher in early 1967, and printed in March 1968.[9] In November 1968 von Däniken was arrested for fraud, after falsifying hotel records and credit references in order to take out loans[9] for $130,000 over a period of twelve years. He used the money for foreign travel to research his book.[7] Two years later,[9] von Däniken was convicted for "repeated and sustained" embezzlement, fraud and forgery, with the court ruling that the writer had been living a "playboy" lifestyle.[5] Von Däniken entered a plea for nullity on the grounds that his intentions were not malicious and the credit institutions were at fault for failing to adequately research his references.[9][5][7] Von Däniken was sentenced on 13 February 1970 to three and a half years imprisonment and fined 3,000 francs.[9][11] He served one year of this sentence before being released.[7][12] His first book, Chariots of the Gods?, had been published by the time of his trial, and its sales allowed him to repay his debts and leave the hotel business. Von Däniken wrote his second book, Gods from Outer Space, while in prison.[7][5]