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Of course it does, yours is all based on assumptions.
Has nothing to do with the discussion.
Thats what I'm saying, and I have yet to see any solid proof.
Clear misunderstanding of theory vs hypothesis. You can say black is blue till you bleed from the eyes it does not make it so.
I you want to debate properly you must bring objective evidence to the table otherwise your just trolling.
The only thing I'm commited to is seeking out the truth. There is not much to see on this thread.
Yes by now we know your committed or should be committed.
Forget you base that assumption on nothing. How would the information in this wiki be invalidated because it came from a person that supports evolution?
And I still feel its from a person that believes in evolution.
Its not meant to be a selling point. The fact that wolves and dogs can breed and produce viable young means they are the same animals i.e.
The fact that dogs have cross bred with wolves is not a selling point to me. If anything it goes against the idea of evolution as this type of activity from what I understand is not included in the workings of evolution.
the domestic dog recently was taxonomically recategorized as a subspecies of the gray wolf.
Wolfdogs do not change that fact. You were wrong then and you still are now. Genes are passed by breeding. Evolution is not confined to breeding, its part of the process described. You cited the croyduck as I recall.
This discussion was a long time ago when I suggested that it would have just been easier if all evolution happened in the breeding and I was told that none of it does.
Domesticated dogs are gray wolves. The relationship is clear to see, everywhere without making one assumption so you fail again.
Relationships are still being assumed.
And I did offer you a chance to explain the meaning of target food and you turned it down.
I did warn you that it's not easy to see and understand these things.
Yes tooth all things need energy. Eating is one way to do that.
Do you not agree all things need something to eat?
You cocked it up again.Showed how ignorant of what evolution explains you are. An organism finds a food source/niche it can exploit and evolves to make full use of it over time. The food source also evolves over time. Things do not evolve one step at a time and in isolation. The enviroment is in constant flux.
Through the eyes of evolution, ALL species would simply be scavangers and eat what ever is available, but you can obviously see that isn't always the case.
Here you go with your loose terminology. Most is your assumption, and is incorrect. Species evolve along specialist lines or jack of all trades. So specialists evolve to exploit a limited variety others evolve to exploit a wider food source. Nothing was intended, given.
Most species in fact are very selective, and even dividing things into food groups are still picky beyond that.
Define target food as it means nothing in this thread.
It's proof that target food or the idea of it does exist and its also proof that not everything here is from here.
Thanks but coming from a guy that repeatedly uses there instead of their I feel you should concentrate on you grammar before you pull others.
I only make these suggestion as a lot of what you trowel out is not correct.
Knew you would chicken out and not be man enough to admit you are wrong. If the wolf and the dog were victims of coextinction they would be extinct. They would not be around to become scavengers, they would be extinct.
Your insight is failing you again. Normally you would be right, but in this case they do have the ability to adapt and become scavengers. As a result they are surviving.
Really Pinnochio. Forgive me while I LMAO
It's ok though, I honesly don't expect you to understand it as it is pretty in depth and complex.
Like I wrote before 'You were told that your ignorance of the subject you think you can prove wrong is astounding and matched by your total ignorance of the world you live in'.
So your missing the obvious point that if they have no food to eat they certainly wont be passing any genes on soon.
You said before you know what a predator is? Your statement here shows like with everything else you believe. You dont have a clue. It also shows you have no clue what is or how an eco system works.
it's all understandable, I'm seriously on the fence about claiming that savage hunters have adapted from not having food.
You dont believe in religion You base your whole world on belief. You appointed aliens as your deity and close your mind to anything that goes against it. To top it off you use the bible as a reference book and snake oil salesmen as your prophets. Please dont tell me you are not religous Your a one man cult.
I don't believe in religion, I don't know how many times I have to say this.
You was badly beaten the last time you recycled this argument. I suggest you go back, read those posts and relive the pain in your own time.
And eco system only works if it is in balance you idiot.
Please quote me in the wiki where it talks about the balanced eco system.
Please read the overview and notice where it says interacting as a system.
This is your assumption again based on ignorance. An ecosystem provides sustainability It cannot reach balance.
This so called system, works together, and when it works correctly, it is said to be balanced.
OMG.
None of the components mentioned in the above are a constant and so you will never reach balance. And stop with the 'oh my god' your religion is showing.
An ecosystem is a biological system consisting of all the living organisms or biotic components in a particular area and the nonliving or abiotic components with which the organisms interact, such as air, mineral soil, water, and sunlight
Again a baseless assumption by you from a point of ignorance and an incorrect one. When trying to conserve the Amazon rain forest by asigning parks the native bushmen were excluded and it was found the forest degraded. The bushmans activities enriched the forest and encouraged diversity. Just one example.
True, but it would be all positive. This planet would be happy if we were gone.
Oh dear it says:
Here you go Colin, a MUST read for you.
Sometimes referred to as an eco balance, but here as balance of nature.
Forgeting it says balance of nature it unfortunately says it is a theory and You dont accept theories. Remember
The balance of nature is a theory that says that ecological systems are usually in a stable equilibrium
Which crushes your ignorance again. Hint, you can use your theory ploy cos it says theory a few times
The theory that nature is permanently in balance has been largely discredited, as it has been found that chaotic changes in population levels are common, but nevertheless the idea continues to be popular.[1] During the later half of the twentieth century the theory was superseded by Catastrophe theory and Chaos theory.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by flyingfish
Of course it does, yours is all based on assumptions.
Has nothing to do with the discussion.
Thats what I'm saying, and I have yet to see any solid proof.
Clear misunderstanding of theory vs hypothesis. You can say black is blue till you bleed from the eyes it does not make it so.
I you want to debate properly you must bring objective evidence to the table otherwise your just trolling.
The only thing I'm commited to is seeking out the truth. There is not much to see on this thread.
Yes by now we know your committed or should be committed.
You are just posting this reply to top page 400. I find this a dispicable and childish effort. Fingers crossed and presses the reply button
Originally posted by idmonster
reply to post by SproutKY
But this post isnt about creationism, No one on here who believes in evolution has even pretended that evolution is creation, merly that creation doesnt explain evolution so what ids your best guess.
The evidence clearly points to the evolution of species, however, many cretionist deny it!
So, if evolution doesnt, and doesnt atempt to adress lifes initial begining, and creation doesnt explain the diversity of life, what does?
Originally posted by colin42
You are just posting this reply to top page 400. I find this a dispicable and childish effort. Fingers crossed and presses the reply button
Originally posted by idmonster
reply to post by SproutKY
But this post isnt about creationism, No one on here who believes in evolution has even pretended that evolution is creation, merly that creation doesnt explain evolution so what ids your best guess.
The evidence clearly points to the evolution of species, however, many cretionist deny it!
So, if evolution doesnt, and doesnt atempt to adress lifes initial begining, and creation doesnt explain the diversity of life, what does?
Dam itedit on 28-5-2012 by colin42 because: (no reason given)edit on 28-5-2012 by colin42 because: Trying for top slot
Fair enough I apologise for my hasty comment.
Originally posted by idmonster
Originally posted by colin42
You are just posting this reply to top page 400. I find this a dispicable and childish effort. Fingers crossed and presses the reply button
Originally posted by idmonster
reply to post by SproutKY
But this post isnt about creationism, No one on here who believes in evolution has even pretended that evolution is creation, merly that creation doesnt explain evolution so what ids your best guess.
The evidence clearly points to the evolution of species, however, many cretionist deny it!
So, if evolution doesnt, and doesnt atempt to adress lifes initial begining, and creation doesnt explain the diversity of life, what does?
Dam itedit on 28-5-2012 by colin42 because: (no reason given)edit on 28-5-2012 by colin42 because: Trying for top slot
It was a serious and considered respose to a query.
As if I would stoop to such tactics
ETA DOH!edit on 28-5-2012 by idmonster because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by flyingfish
The depths to which some people will stoop to get to the top of a milestone page in a thread is just disgusting.
Originally posted by flyingfish
Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by flyingfish
The depths to which some people will stoop to get to the top of a milestone page in a thread is just disgusting.
I agree posters need more content.
Shameful I tell you.edit on 28-5-2012 by flyingfish because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by flyingfish
Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by flyingfish
The depths to which some people will stoop to get to the top of a milestone page in a thread is just disgusting.
I agree posters need more content.
Shameful I tell you.edit on 28-5-2012 by flyingfish because: (no reason given)
Actually I hope it is tooth. It would mean at least he would win just once in this thread
I just hope that whe someone clicks on page 400....tooth is not the first thing they see.
Originally posted by idmonster
Originally posted by flyingfish
Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by flyingfish
The depths to which some people will stoop to get to the top of a milestone page in a thread is just disgusting.
I agree posters need more content.
Shameful I tell you.edit on 28-5-2012 by flyingfish because: (no reason given)
I just hope that whe someone clicks on page 400....tooth is not the first thing they see.
I hope its colin or barcs...no offense fish.
ETA - dayuum waht a guy gotta do?edit on 28-5-2012 by idmonster because: (no reason given)
It's not that, but that its obvious to me that people are taking some of the steps of evolution out of context. Wiki clearly shows that humans are NOT included in speciation.
Forget you base that assumption on nothing. How would the information in this wiki be invalidated because it came from a person that supports evolution?
Well they are in fact not, which is why the offspring come out to be hybrids. But lets entertain your fantasy for a moment and say you are correct. So what, what does it mean?
Its not meant to be a selling point. The fact that wolves and dogs can breed and produce viable young means they are the same animals i.e.
Your also failing to realize that this was all in the eyes of evolution, not breeding, and I was specifically told that breeding is not a step of change.
You have many times stated that a dog is a dog and no matter how we alter them they will always be a dog. I have shown you many times a dog is a wolf.
Trust me when your right, I'll be the first person to tell you, and right now there isn't much on your side.
they can breed and produce viable young is proof. Prevoiusly you have accepted that but now because you can see you are wrong you dive into denial. The only reason you do not accept this now is because it shows you to be very wrong but you are not man enough or honest enough to admit it.
You mean crockoduck,, or wait I'm not suppose to tell you what you meant, you want me to just read it the way it is. Oh well sorry but I don't know why a croyduck is.
Wolfdogs do not change that fact. You were wrong then and you still are now. Genes are passed by breeding. Evolution is not confined to breeding, its part of the process described. You cited the croyduck as I recall.
I don't think that statement is any truer than humans are apes.
Domesticated dogs are gray wolves. The relationship is clear to see, everywhere without making one assumption so you fail again.
Well colin I would try to explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand it, hell you don't understand any of the links I send you to on wiki.
And I did offer you a chance to explain the meaning of target food and you turned it down.
So food sources for all life is an exploitation. What kind of hokie crap is that. Do you seriously believe that?
You cocked it up again.Showed how ignorant of what evolution explains you are. An organism finds a food source/niche it can exploit and evolves to make full use of it over time. The food source also evolves over time. Things do not evolve one step at a time and in isolation. The enviroment is in constant flux.