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Originally posted by RebelRouser
thats why im waiting for one of these guys to confirm their belief in the big bang too. but they just avoid the creation topic all together and focus on the evolutionary part. which i have yet to say is wrong too. im saying if someone asked you in real life "how did humans get here?". you cant just say "evolution" because its not really an answer, its more along the lines of cognitive dissonance to me.edit on 12-10-2011 by RebelRouser because: (no reason given)
So in the end, would you say some creationist priorities are wrong when taking the literal interpretation of the bible and fighting evolution with it?
Why cant we, when discussing Evolution ignore god and or creation? A recipe on how to make a milk shake does not require knowledge of how to milk a cow.
Humans are really good at being human. Dogs are really good at being dogs. If they tried to swap roles both would fail.
So again this thread was started to give others a chance to explain the diversity of life without using evolution. Give it a go.
Originally posted by camaro68ss
Originally posted by Sinny
Well the facts are that we humans share much of the same DNA with apes.
However, some of our DNA is untraceable, and there is the tiny little matter of that missing link still.
I vote aliens meddled with the genetics on this planet.
I can say the same thing about dogs. humans share 95% DNA with a dog but i dont walk around on 4 legs?
My attitude comes from being in rooms and having discussions with you people. its not like your the first one ive talked to about evolution. it gets old quick, esp when you shake your head and laugh like were ill informed and you hold all the answers.
you pull out irrelevant evidence left and right that ignores the main root of everything. tell me.. if there is no god what started everything?
i understand this thread is about proving evolution wrong.
the thing is im not saying its wrong, but im not saying its right. it obviously happens but life goes so much deeper than evolution, it doesnt explain why were here or anything. you guys treat it like a crutch. if you lean on it hard enough you dont have to deal with the main problem. which is a simple question "what started the evolution process?".
you cant just start at evolution of whatever microscopic organisms u think started everything, then explain.. its like skipping steps…
but you say im out of line when im talking about the big bang in an evolution thread?
listen, you cant believe in evolution of monkey to man if you believe in God. (again which is why god is also a reliant topic here).
there's just no concrete evidence to tell me im wrong either.
Originally posted by colin42
reply to post by filosophia
This is why I hate the title change to this thread but it is not my site so I have to live with it. I do not want you to prove evolution wrong.
If evolution is wrong then what is your explanation for the diversity we see. The only problem I have with using creation in this discussion is if someone tries to deny evolution using it.
Creationism: A God willingly created things, like a painter deciding on what color to use, a la Bob Ross
Evolution: Things randomly evolve, from single cell to complex intelligent beings, a la Monkeys Writing Shakespeare.
And now for the alternative Emanationism. Emanation meaning to derive from a source. Emanationism means everything derives from its prior. Children derive from parents, plants derive from seeds, and the moon derives its light from the light of the sun. The process of emanationism is based on the golden ratio, 0,1,1,2,3,5,8... in which nature proceeds downwards from utter simplicity to complexity, and that is what explains the diversity of nature, this nature principle creates or emanates downwards just like a continuous sequence of 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,... and so nature will go on forever but never quite reach infinity. Infinity doesn't really exist in the physical world, because it is an abstract number that has no real number attached to it. However, the basis of the world comes from simplicity, in that 1 is the building block of all numbers, just like atoms are the building blocks of all things, and thoughts are the building blocks of all ideas. What this means is emanationism has a downwards and upwards progression, illustrated most famously by the philosopher Plotinus, in which all things proceed downwards from The One, towards complexity (i.e. matter), and then back again, from matter to nature to the One, but through a mental process as opposed to a physical process. So in other words all things emanate from The One, and then contemplate their way back to The One.
As I said, this may not answer all your questions, but just so you know, there is an alternative to Evolution and Creationism and it's called Emanationism although it's not publicized much but it does have its basis in the Greek philosopher Plotinus.