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Topic started on 13-9-2011 @ 04:01 PM by SirMike

Turkey says it is prepared for possibility of war with Israel

www.csmonitor.com

Erdogan, who downgraded Israel’s diplomatic mission to Turkey after Israel refused to apologize for its May 2010 raid on the Gaza flotilla that killed nine people, including eight Turks, would not speculate about Turkey’s next move, according to Israeli news organization Ynet News, which carried a translation of the Al Shuruq interview. “What I can say is that we are committed to four things: Protecting the rights and honor of the Turkish people, stopping Israel from disregarding international treaties and customs, implementation of Turkish demands through international tribunals, and en

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reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:01 PM by SirMike

Would a shooting war with Israel make him more popular with the fundamentalists who have now seized Turkey? Does he do this out of some deep seated tenderness for Gaza (I know, right)? I really don’t know what Erdogan gains from this provocation.

Erdogan must be hoping to panic NATO or the US into brokering Israeli concessions so he can claim a victory. No way the newly-purged Turkish military is ready to fight a major war with a nuclear power – let alone for the sake of Arabs.

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reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:22 PM by Jepic

Turkey would smoke Israel. It's a fact.
But nukes make an effective deterrent.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:23 PM by MrStyx

I think its just posturing for now, but we will see how this plays out. I think its key to see how things go during the visit to Gaza. If something were to happen to Erdogan while visiting Gaza. Its almost certain to be the start of the next world war.

In my opinion, regardless of who started what, or where the blame ultimately lies, I see the middle east as a mine field right now. Its only gonna take one wrong move for the whole region to go.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:24 PM by AnIntellectualRedneck

reply to post by SirMike

A year ago, I would have agreed with you whole-heartedly. But times have changed. Many countries are starting to support Palestinian bid for recognition, and many in the Middle East have outed their leaders. It seems most of the new power players in the Middle East are not of a mind to cooperate with Israel.

Bottom line: Israel is in on thin ice, and since the psychos in its government can't stand to have Arabs stand up to them, I get the distinct feeling that they'll only escalate things further.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:31 PM by Corruption Exposed

reply to post by SirMike

I am not a huge fan of the Turkish, Iranian, Saudi Arabian, Egyptian, Syrian governments. But it seems that they are letting it be known that Israel is not the once feared foe they once were. Sure they are still a force, but with US support shrinking and the probability that countries like China and Russia would side against Israel and or USA, Israel better take these warnings seriously.

Israel will not be allowed to be the regional bully anymore.

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reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:38 PM by Mr Tranny

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by SirMike

I am not a huge fan of the Turkish, Iranian, Saudi Arabian, Egyptian, Syrian governments. But it seems that they are letting it be known that Israel is not the once feared foe they once were.

They are making a bet that it is no longer the threat that it once was. They don’t know for sure if it is or not. They are betting that the US won’t step in.

If they are wrong, then all their countries will turn into a smoking pile of ruble.

A bet is good when the chance of winning is high, and the damage from loosing is small.
The damage from loosing this bet makes the debate about chances of winning mute.

This is not a good bet to make.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:44 PM by Corruption Exposed

reply to post by Mr Tranny

There are no bets about it. It's a sure shot.

Israel pulls any funny business, they are gone. What USA decides to do about it will decide what happens to USA. This is a volcano about to erupt. I wish it wasn't like this, but Turkey is stepping up the talk for a reason. Do you think China and Russia would allow all their interests in the region to be damaged. USA and Europe has lots of interests there too. The last thing anyone needs is for a full scale regional war. Odd thing is, the current Israeli government seem to be the only ones willing to be so stupid.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:44 PM by kwell

The Bible tells us that every country in the world will be against Israel as it is now.... Zechariah 12:3 In that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces. though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

I will tell you how the rest will play out....Russia and Iran with some of their other buddies come against Israel in a major attack. God is going to miraculously protect Israel. All that come against it will be destroyed. They will be cleaning up dead bodies for 7 months and burning their weapons for 7 years.

It also tells us they will declare a palestinian state but there will be nothing there.

It also tells us when they attempt to divide Gods land Israel that His wrath is coming....7 year tribulation.

It also tells us if you bless Israel you will be blessed, if you curse Israel, you will be cursed.

It also tells us that Damascus is going to be made desolate, never to be inhabited again....sounds nuclear to me.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:48 PM by Corruption Exposed

reply to post by kwell

I hate to get off topic, but since you had to bring religion to the discussion, and quote verses. I will do the same. I am not religious, but this quote might peak your interest.

Revelation 3:9

I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

^ Current day Israel.

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reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:49 PM by intrepid

This is an interesting scenario. Turkey is a member of NATO. They have a superior military to Israel. They are a democracy with a Muslim majority BUT does the government make the final decisions? The military has stepped in more than once if they think the government is going down the wrong path. All in all, not a good scenario or one that is easily prognosticated.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:50 PM by kwell

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I have pondered on that one. I think that the Illuminati controls all governments on earth right now. They are saying they are Jews but are not and do lie. But it doesn't change the fact that Israel is God's land and His remnant the true Jewish people are there.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:52 PM by Corruption Exposed

reply to post by intrepid

I think people are underestimating the Turkish military and their strategic positioning. I don't want to take any credit away from the Israeli Air Force or Navy Either, they have allies in the region as well. It is like a carefully placed time bomb. No one is ready to make the official first move, unless you would like to consider either countries previous provocations as a first move.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:59 PM by intrepid

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by intrepid

I think people are underestimating the Turkish military and their strategic positioning. I don't want to take any credit away from the Israeli Air Force or Navy...

I don't think Turkey's military is being underestimated:

www.globalfirepower.com...

The air forces are a wash. Pretty similar. That's where it ends though. Turkey has a much stronger navy. Army? Turkey's is slightly larger BUT you need to transport troops. That's where the navy comes in. Lastly the Turks are as proud and battle worthy as the Israelis. You can find the statistics by clicking on both countries.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 04:59 PM by SirMike

Originally posted by intrepid
This is an interesting scenario. Turkey is a member of NATO. They have a superior military to Israel. They are a democracy with a Muslim majority BUT does the government make the final decisions? The military has stepped in more than once if they think the government is going down the wrong path. All in all, not a good scenario or one that is easily prognosticated.

The option of a Turkish military coup is now off the table. Erdogan has purged the Ataturk elements within its ranks.

If the Turks do sent a military escort it will leave the Israeli's with the option of letting the ships through unmolested or sinking them, there wont be any possibility of boarding and inspecting with a Turkish ship in the fleet.

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reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 05:03 PM by Corruption Exposed

reply to post by intrepid

Thanks for the link. I will check it out.

I meant that the general public including a percentage people on sites like ATS are quick to underestimate Turkey and their defenses and or offenses.

But it seems many of us are also aware that Turkey are not some racketed 3rd world guerrila military such as other enemies certain countries have faced recently. Many people incorrectly assume Turkey would be a walk in the park for Israel.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 05:04 PM by MichiganSwampBuck

reply to post by kwell

Yep, I don't even need to open the Good Book lately, I can see it all on the news! From my biblical studies I came to the conclusion (right or wrong) that Turkey and Egypt would attack Israel first, then Russia and China next. I'm pretty sure I going to see the end times unfold.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 05:08 PM by Aloysius the Gaul

reply to post by SirMike

Ther will be once it gets to within 12 miles of the Gaza coastline & any turkish warships will be unable to get closer without being eth actual cause of conflict - it is one thing to provide "passive" defence in international waters (ie by neing a deterrant) - but Idont' think the Turks would want to provide such an obvious flash point themselves.

If Turkey starts anything then good-bye EU membership, good bye US support, welcome moslem fundamentalism, strengthen Greece (more European support), etc.

Any action by Turkey can only be naval or air - and will invariably be closer to Israel than Turkey with resulting advantages to Israeli forces. It would invariably be a lot moer expensive for the Turks than the Israelis.

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 05:13 PM by kwell

reply to post by MichiganSwampBuck

Yes the Bible does say Turkey will also be part of that war. They will be cleaning up their body parts and weapons also.

Ezekiel 38 - 39 . . .

The Bible warns Iran (Persia), with Russia ('Magog'), and a coalition of allies (including Turkey and Sudan) will go to war, and will attack and will invade Israel. In Ezekiel 38-39 the Bible warns this coming war between Iran (Persia) and Israel will take place sometime after Israel has been re-gathered into Her land as a nation (which was fulfilled on May 14, 1948)

reply posted on 13-9-2011 @ 05:14 PM by Jepic

Originally posted by SirMike

Originally posted by intrepid
This is an interesting scenario. Turkey is a member of NATO. They have a superior military to Israel. They are a democracy with a Muslim majority BUT does the government make the final decisions? The military has stepped in more than once if they think the government is going down the wrong path. All in all, not a good scenario or one that is easily prognosticated.

The option of a Turkish military coup is now off the table. Erdogan has purged the Ataturk elements within its ranks.

If the Turks do sent a military escort it will leave the Israeli's with the option of letting the ships through unmolested or sinking them, there wont be any possibility of boarding and inspecting with a Turkish ship in the fleet.
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It's pretty logical what Israel can do. They can either attack them the moment the warships have crossed the blockade (would cause another crisis) or they can attack them the moment they have crossed Israeli territorial waters (Israel in the right and Turkey in the wrong).

Personally I would attack them the moment they crossed territorial waters. That would put Turkey as the aggressor and Israel in the right).

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