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I Am a Straight, Married Christian Male in Support of Gay Marriage

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posted on Sep, 21 2011 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by yes4141
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Then why is the devil a 'bad' thing? He tempts people to break the rules (which is apparently not horrendously immoral!) and then punishes them when they do. Why is he in any way bad?

P.S. I edited my last post, there may be more since you first read it.


Well, it's his job.

The key point is that those who follow him get "punished".

Those who work for him get "punished".

But there's one rule that the devil must obey. He cannot take any man against his will. The man must "seek" to follow the devil on his own. He must "ask" to join the devil's club. The devil can put forward many temptations and enticements, but at the end of the day, the man must convert to the devil's way by his own choosing. And the devil loves to tempt the most prominent men.He usually doesn't worry about the small fish. He's looking for the big fish in the pond.

Like this guy:



Ted Arthur Haggard (born June 27, 1956) is an American evangelical pastor. Known as Pastor Ted to the congregation he served, he was the founder and former pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado; a founder of the Association of Life-Giving Churches; and was leader of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006.

In November 2006, escort and masseur Mike Jones alleged that Haggard had paid him to engage in sex with him for three years and had also purchased and used crystal methamphetamine.[1] A few days later Haggard resigned from all of his leadership positions.



The devil got "Ted Arthur Haggard", a famous Evangelical Pastor, and turned him towards homosexual encounters. Even though he knew what he was doing was wrong, and he preached openly against gays, the devil still got to him, hypnotized him, and convinced him to explore the ways. That's the devil's art and skill.

As a result, Haggard was punished and lost his ministry.




posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 04:09 AM
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Ok just to set the record straight, gay men are THE nicest people you will ever meet (except the creepy goth ones that look at you like they want to rape you Deliverance style.) Gay men understand women better than straight men, and lesbians understand men better than women. Who knows why, or cares why they are attracted to the same sex get over it or go to Europe, oh wait there more open on it then we are. Stop being bigots. To women that are attracted to women though, if you hate men please don't. You can't judge an entire sex on a select group that's not fair.

P.S. women please don't take over the world we all know your capable, and I personally don't want to be a sex slave... well wait that might not be too bad



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 04:15 AM
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and since i didn't see the last posts shame on you, you bigot.



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 04:53 AM
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Well that confirms it. Draziw is simply a troll. No real bible thumper would say that.

I agree he is, I also think he is REVELATIONGENERATION under a different account.
Because these two together are by far THE most deluded people i've ever come across, which in turn makes me believe they are trolling.


"Being gay is just a delusion" I mean,... WTF???????

edit on 22-9-2011 by Ozvaldo because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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Please visit this thread to clear up that unfortunate and clear case of nonsense in your skull.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 22-9-2011 by Partisanity because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Ozvaldo
I agree he is, I also think he is REVELATIONGENERATION under a different account.
Because these two together are by far THE most deluded people i've ever come across, which in turn makes me believe they are trolling.


"Being gay is just a delusion" I mean,... WTF???????

edit on 22-9-2011 by Ozvaldo because: (no reason given)


Sorry to disappoint. But, DRAZIW only has one identity here. Anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously deluded.


edit on 22-9-2011 by DRAZIW because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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I didn't think you had much of an argument.

Did you visit the thread I suggested?

Of course not, ignorance is bliss, right?

Predictable.



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Partisanity
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I didn't think you had much of an argument.

Did you visit the thread I suggested?

Of course not, ignorance is bliss, right?

Predictable.


lol i read it, also, hypnotists can not make you do anything you do not want to do..

PS: Sorry for the delyed reaction but i woke up super late and had to run to get to work on time. so i didnt get on this morning.



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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I'm guessing you're a troll, but on the off chance you are not:

Come on, you know perfectly well you dodged that question and tried to camoflage it with stuff about ted Haggard.




Well, it's his job.


What? So non- physical beings now have chores set by god? I asked WHY the devil is such a bad thing if he is effectively doing a job for god.

I presume you will say something akin to "it is the things he tempts with which are bad" yet if people wouldn't have committed these sins without god then 1. it would be described as entrapment and 2. It is the devil (and god by proxy) who is bringing sin into the world. If he is the one who tempts people with the sins then it would surely be he is to be punished- else it is not really the 'sins' themselves which are 'bad' and it is all a, quite malevolent, sick and depraved, test to see who obeys god and who doesn't.
edit on 22-9-2011 by yes4141 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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The Devil made me do it!

Always a good excuse for not being personally responsible for your actions.

Which is not a reference to gays making excuses.

Gays are as God made them. Their "mixed soup" is perfect. Its mixed for them to be attracted to same gender.

I'm still trying to get over they hypnotized comment.



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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I presume you will say something akin to "it is the things he tempts with which are bad" yet if people wouldn't have committed these sins without god then 1. it would be described as entrapment and 2. It is the devil (and god by proxy) who is bringing sin into the world. If he is the one who tempts people with the sins then it would surely be he is to be punished- else it is not really the 'sins' themselves which are 'bad' and it is all a, quite malevolent, sick and depraved, test to see who obeys god and who doesn't.
edit on 22-9-2011 by yes4141 because: (no reason given)


Oh my.. that sounds like a paradox!!



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by yes4141

I'm guessing you're a troll, but on the off chance you are not:

Come on, you know perfectly well you dodged that question and tried to camoflage it with stuff about ted Haggard.




You mean "Why is the devil a bad thing?"

Well he is bad for a time, because God made him that way. After he's done his work he converts...



And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. -- 2 Corinthians 11:14 KJV



But, while he's being bad, men are to beware of him.




What? So non- physical beings now have chores set by god? I asked WHY the devil is such a bad thing if he is effectively doing a job for god.



God created "man" and created something called "freedom" for man. In order to establish this "freedom", he had to have two opposites: GOOD and BAD. He told man to do GOOD, but allowed man to do BAD, so that man could experience this other thing called "being free".

He put the Devil in the "BAD" camp, and Jesus in the "GOOD" camp, so man would have two leaders to choose from. Both leaders try to get people to follow them. But there are some rules. Neither of them can "force" man to join his camp, because then man wouldn't be "free". So, instead, both use methods of enticement to get followers to join their side. Jesus spreads the Gospel, and those true hearts that turn towards him he "selects" to be saved, and the Devil tempts man with all sorts of tricks, to get man to disobey the good rules. It's an holy battle for the souls.

If God only had GOOD, man would have to do GOOD always, and there would be no FREEDOM.

This does happen from time to time. That is to say, God doesn't always allow man to choose.

After the age of "freedom", where man can do either Good or Bad, comes another age of "constraint", where man can only do Good.




After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
-- Jeremiah 31:34 KJV



"After" the age of "freedom", GOD puts new instructions into man's DNA, so that man will know GOD, and automatically do the right thing.

No one will "teach" about the Lord, or have "to tell" gays that what they are doing is wrong. Everyone will "know" automatically, and follow the law without instruction, debate, or civil law to coerce them.

God "forgives" and "remembers their sins no more"...until the end of the "age of constraint"...when God reintroduces the "freedom" again...etc..etc..




To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: -- Ecclesiastes 3:1-22 KJV



This is the time of freedom. Enjoy it. But do good always.





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posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by DRAZIW

Originally posted by yes4141

I'm guessing you're a troll, but on the off chance you are not:

Come on, you know perfectly well you dodged that question and tried to camoflage it with stuff about ted Haggard.




You mean "Why is the devil a bad thing?"

Well he is bad for a time, because God made him that way. After he's done his work he converts...


So does that mean you will finaly accept the "God made me this way (gay)" argument?

As rhianna says...

I might be bad but im perfectly good at it!



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by spw184

So does that mean you will finaly accept the "God made me this way (gay)" argument?

As rhianna says...

I might be bad but im perfectly good at it!


No. God made you "free to be bad". But he didn't "make you bad."



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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But under the argument that you presented, God made the Devil and all of the evil. So ultimately the final blame and responsibility for all of the evil and bad in the world lies within the creator, namely God. It is the age old question, if God is so Powerful, then why does God allow for all evil in the world?

Or could it be that just maybe, God is not so perfect, not all powerful and ultimately may be wrong and infalliable?



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by sdcigarpig
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But under the argument that you presented, God made the Devil and all of the evil. So ultimately the final blame and responsibility for all of the evil and bad in the world lies within the creator, namely God. It is the age old question, if God is so Powerful, then why does God allow for all evil in the world?

Or could it be that just maybe, God is not so perfect, not all powerful and ultimately may be wrong and infalliable?


I am catholic and what im about to say is sacrelige

"God" Is not the only god. There are several mentions in the bible of other gods (Hints)
"... For our god is a vengeful god.." It goes on to say he is jelous.. of what?? other gods.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Why must he state this so clearly? other gods.

I also think "God" is not the cheif god, but i worship him nonetheless.
although he does not have 100% control, he is still a very powerfull and wise diety.

Hey just some insight.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by spw184

I am catholic and what im about to say is sacrelige

"God" Is not the only god. There are several mentions in the bible of other gods (Hints)
"... For our god is a vengeful god.." It goes on to say he is jelous.. of what?? other gods.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Why must he state this so clearly? other gods.

I also think "God" is not the cheif god, but i worship him nonetheless.
although he does not have 100% control, he is still a very powerfull and wise diety.

Hey just some insight.


The word "Jealous" in the bible has a specific meaning. The archaic biblical meaning is "Demanding excessive loyalty". You can look up the etymology of the word. This word has changed meaning over time, so that the modern word is corrupt. It's just like the "marriage" word will become corrupt once gays are allowed to get "married". Then the biblical terms will once more get some additional confusion.

However, you are correct about the "Jealous God" being just one of the gods. Although he is just one of the gods, he is the GOD of all Gods of the Physical world and the earth. This is his domain of Kingship.

If you want to find out where he fits among the other gods you have to read the "Tibetan Book of the Dead".

The Jealous God or LORD of the Bible is the Green Color God in the Tibetan Book of the Dead. This is his color : "GREEN".

It is encoded into English also. LORD = 12+15+18+4 = 49, and GREEN = 7+18+5+5+14 = 49

So numerically LORD == GREEN in English Gematria.

Some parts of the Holy Bible that just seem like obscure verses are explained more fully in the Tibetan Book of the Dead. The Bible is just a very "condensed" summary of a much larger knowledge base.

The GOD of all the Gods of all the realms that exist in the "entirety" is called "The Primary Clear Light"

The entirety consists of everything within the universe and outside the universe also.

HIS associated color is "CLEAR". He is not visible, but present everywhere

HE has a SON called "The Secondary Clear Light" -- this is where Jesus comes from before taking birth in the flesh.

Then there is a whole pantheon of lesser Gods, each color coded so they can be easily identified. And among these is the GREEN god called the LORD of our physical world.

When a man dies, his soul meets each of these gods in turn. However, if his soul is not pure, he doesn't recognize some of them, and others he is automatically afraid of, and he runs away from the light, eventually ending up taking birth again in one of the worlds.

Since Jesus is of "The Secondary Clear Light" all the souls saved by him will recognize him when they die and leave the physical realm, and they will stay in the Realm of the Secondary Clear Light.



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:47 AM
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Didn't say he has the mind of God, but he can read the bible...
you seem confused?



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by DRAZIW

Originally posted by spw184

I am catholic and what im about to say is sacrelige

"God" Is not the only god. There are several mentions in the bible of other gods (Hints)
"... For our god is a vengeful god.." It goes on to say he is jelous.. of what?? other gods.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Why must he state this so clearly? other gods.

I also think "God" is not the cheif god, but i worship him nonetheless.
although he does not have 100% control, he is still a very powerfull and wise diety.

Hey just some insight.



Have you thought of the fact that the writer was meaning..."other gods" as in "what they believe is a god" as in "others at that time believed that the tree or the animal was "god"

no other gods before me simply means to not put any of those "other" faulty belief systems before me



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by sdcigarpig
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But under the argument that you presented, God made the Devil and all of the evil. So ultimately the final blame and responsibility for all of the evil and bad in the world lies within the creator, namely God. It is the age old question, if God is so Powerful, then why does God allow for all evil in the world?

Or could it be that just maybe, God is not so perfect, not all powerful and ultimately may be wrong and infalliable?


Interesting thought, in all things there is a balance. Good and Evil, light and dark, male and female

I don't think God created evil as such the way you are thinking, God allowed us to think freely...gave us the gift of choice, and obviously in that system of balance evil had to be a choice...if there is no choice to turn to or to turn away from God, then evil is non-existant.



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