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Originally posted by yes4141
reply to post by DRAZIW
Then why is the devil a 'bad' thing? He tempts people to break the rules (which is apparently not horrendously immoral!) and then punishes them when they do. Why is he in any way bad?
P.S. I edited my last post, there may be more since you first read it.
Ted Arthur Haggard (born June 27, 1956) is an American evangelical pastor. Known as Pastor Ted to the congregation he served, he was the founder and former pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado; a founder of the Association of Life-Giving Churches; and was leader of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006.
In November 2006, escort and masseur Mike Jones alleged that Haggard had paid him to engage in sex with him for three years and had also purchased and used crystal methamphetamine.[1] A few days later Haggard resigned from all of his leadership positions.
Originally posted by Ozvaldo
I agree he is, I also think he is REVELATIONGENERATION under a different account.
Because these two together are by far THE most deluded people i've ever come across, which in turn makes me believe they are trolling.
"Being gay is just a delusion" I mean,... WTF???????edit on 22-9-2011 by Ozvaldo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Partisanity
reply to post by DRAZIW
I didn't think you had much of an argument.
Did you visit the thread I suggested?
Of course not, ignorance is bliss, right?
Predictable.
Well, it's his job.
Originally posted by yes4141
I'm guessing you're a troll, but on the off chance you are not:
Come on, you know perfectly well you dodged that question and tried to camoflage it with stuff about ted Haggard.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. -- 2 Corinthians 11:14 KJV
What? So non- physical beings now have chores set by god? I asked WHY the devil is such a bad thing if he is effectively doing a job for god.
After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
-- Jeremiah 31:34 KJV
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: -- Ecclesiastes 3:1-22 KJV
Originally posted by DRAZIW
Originally posted by yes4141
I'm guessing you're a troll, but on the off chance you are not:
Come on, you know perfectly well you dodged that question and tried to camoflage it with stuff about ted Haggard.
You mean "Why is the devil a bad thing?"
Well he is bad for a time, because God made him that way. After he's done his work he converts...
Originally posted by spw184
So does that mean you will finaly accept the "God made me this way (gay)" argument?
As rhianna says...
I might be bad but im perfectly good at it!
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by DRAZIW
But under the argument that you presented, God made the Devil and all of the evil. So ultimately the final blame and responsibility for all of the evil and bad in the world lies within the creator, namely God. It is the age old question, if God is so Powerful, then why does God allow for all evil in the world?
Or could it be that just maybe, God is not so perfect, not all powerful and ultimately may be wrong and infalliable?
Originally posted by spw184
I am catholic and what im about to say is sacrelige
"God" Is not the only god. There are several mentions in the bible of other gods (Hints)
"... For our god is a vengeful god.." It goes on to say he is jelous.. of what?? other gods.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Why must he state this so clearly? other gods.
I also think "God" is not the cheif god, but i worship him nonetheless.
although he does not have 100% control, he is still a very powerfull and wise diety.
Hey just some insight.
Originally posted by DRAZIW
Originally posted by spw184
I am catholic and what im about to say is sacrelige
"God" Is not the only god. There are several mentions in the bible of other gods (Hints)
"... For our god is a vengeful god.." It goes on to say he is jelous.. of what?? other gods.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Why must he state this so clearly? other gods.
I also think "God" is not the cheif god, but i worship him nonetheless.
although he does not have 100% control, he is still a very powerfull and wise diety.
Hey just some insight.
Have you thought of the fact that the writer was meaning..."other gods" as in "what they believe is a god" as in "others at that time believed that the tree or the animal was "god"
no other gods before me simply means to not put any of those "other" faulty belief systems before me
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by DRAZIW
But under the argument that you presented, God made the Devil and all of the evil. So ultimately the final blame and responsibility for all of the evil and bad in the world lies within the creator, namely God. It is the age old question, if God is so Powerful, then why does God allow for all evil in the world?
Or could it be that just maybe, God is not so perfect, not all powerful and ultimately may be wrong and infalliable?