Tea Party is Racist?

Originally posted by discharged77
reply to post by newcovenant

 

You are an outright communist.

Gosh and I was just about to give the Tea Party some credit for accomplishing something worthwhile I wasn't even aware of and of course is totally against orthodox GOP...I have a link and everything now I think I will save it and make the whiz kid brown baggers look it up themselves.

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by Eavel

 

Whatever you say Eavel.
I am not here to shatter your delusions.

Rock on buddy.

edit on 29-8-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)

Considering you made this statement a few posts back:

The rich against the poor.

Does not help you very much in this situation.

Marx was not the crazy person everyone has pitched him to be.

He believed in the "haves" and "have not's."

Those with power, and the ability to manufacture were the Bourgeoisie. These were the people in control. And they were/are in constant conflict with the "have not's"-Proletariats.

Already you're a Marxist and you don't even know it. Marxism isn't a bad thing, it's a Philosophy. A way to look at society. He never said that it should be like that, Russia and China distorted what he said and based their states on it.

Originally posted by Xen0m0rpH

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by Eavel

 

Whatever you say Eavel.
I am not here to shatter your delusions.
Rock on buddy.

edit on 29-8-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)

Considering you made this statement a few posts back:

The rich against the poor.

Does not help you very much in this situation.
Marx was not the crazy person everyone has pitched him to be.
He believed in the "haves" and "have not's."
Those with power, and the ability to manufacture were the Bourgeoisie. These were the people in control. And they were/are in constant conflict with the "have not's"-Proletariats.
Already you're a Marxist and you don't even know it. Marxism isn't a bad thing, it's a Philosophy. A way to look at society. He never said that it should be like that, Russia and China distorted what he said and based their states on it.

You can rationalize all you want to. Anything to keep the status quo. It is working for you and goes well beyond Marx. We have 2 set of laws and rules we operate in, one is for the wealthy and the other is for the poor. If you are poor steal one thing from a rich man and see how fast you go to jail, but if you are rich and swindle a great many people out of their retirement funds, you do not go to jail, you get a promotion, 50 million and a corner office. You call that Capitalism. I call that a stacked deck.

The communist manifesto is responsible for millions of deaths.Lennon. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the list is long, Marx and his teachings are garbage.

reply to post by newcovenant


I never said I enjoy or support Capitalism. It's probably far worse when compared to Socialism.

It is however the system we are born into in America, it is not something one person alone can change.

What you are describing is a corrupt society and social system. Trust me, if I had the money I would pursue those who have done the general public wrong with a fervor. But I do not. Nor will I most likely ever have the means or "capital" to do so.

And you talk to me like I support these policies the government has when persecuting its employees. I honestly believe they should be held to higher standards than the general public is. They are in a position of power. Power is a privilege.

The founding fathers knew this. They said that the government only has power if it's people let it control them. The government has no real right to say anything about what we can and can't do. Laws should be based on loop holes and social norms, not what lawmakers think would be cool or protective. We have the first ten amendments for that.

Zionist capitalism is no better, it is also responsible for millions of lives, the right and left of this country are both the same, pretending to be different.

Originally posted by discharged77
The communist manifesto is responsible for millions of deaths.Lennon. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the list is long, Marx and his teachings are garbage.

Hitler was a Capitalist. He was also a painter and Catholic.

You probably don't know what Marx said do you?

Eventually, socialism would give way to a communist stage of history: a classless, stateless system based on common ownership and free-access, superabundance and maximum freedom for individuals to develop their own capacities and talents. As a political movement, Marxism advocates for the creation of such a society.

Source via Wikipedia

Does this sound like Russia to you?

Communism isn't what Russia and China have. Not Socialism either.

reply to post by Xen0m0rpH

The Tea Party is not racist.
The Tea Party is a philosophy of smaller government and personal responsibility.

The attacks from the progressives are simply to demonize this philosophy. People are sometimes racist. But our philosophy isn't.

Now a philosophy of separating races, emphasizing one race over another, providing preferential treatment of one race over another. . . . THAT is racist.

The progressive movement is racist.

But no, again, the Tea Party is not racist.

reply to post by Xen0m0rpH


Number 1 my friend I am a son of 2 Russian immigrants to this country of America, my family has told me of the horrors of Stalin, I don't need you to educate me. Second, Hitler hated Capitalism, have you ever read Mein Kampf? Yes the Fuhrer was a painter and loved the arts, not all art, only what he deemed appropriate for greater Germany, but what is your point for bringing his painting up?

The progressive movement is one of communism. It also attacks the family as we have come to know it for hundreds of years.

reply to post by discharged77


Not many people know about his past before he became Fuhrer. At least, not here in America.

Originally posted by Xen0m0rpH
reply to post by discharged77

 

Not many people know about his past before he became Fuhrer. At least, not here in America.

He also earned the iron cross in WW1, the equivalent to the US medal of honor. Not everything that your told here in America is truth..When Germany invaded the Soviet Union the armies where hailed as liberators by many Russians. I bet you never learn that in your America high school?

Originally posted by discharged77

Originally posted by Xen0m0rpH
reply to post by discharged77

 

Not many people know about his past before he became Fuhrer. At least, not here in America.

He also earned the iron cross in WW1, the equivalent to the US medal of honor. Not everything that your told here in America is truth..When Germany invaded the Soviet Union the armies where hailed as liberators by many Russians. I bet you never learn that in your America high school?

No we didn't. I however grew up in a small town, but you figure that "World History" would be expanded on by the state and federal government from just America's point of view.

Originally posted by Indigo5
Signs with WORDS

Charicatures are images.

Are you obtuse or dishonest in continuing to compare a charicature of Pres. Bush to a sign that says N------R?

Are you so naive, or have tunnel vision so narrow, or so young that you are not aware of what has been done to EVERY Republican candidate in recent years?

Perhaps this will finally educate you to your one sidedness.

democraticunderground.com

Lets put together a list of rhetorical weapons that can be used against the GOP and Bush. Got any faves? Got any new ones? Help with the stone soup here. Don't hesitate to criticize entries, point out any dishonesty (we are not Republicans), potential for backfiring, or rank suckiness.

Bet far more democrats took part in things like this - just from searching the threads here on ATS - than there are people in the tea party making signs with the "n word" on them.

You and several others are attempting to paint the tea party with a very broad brush. By your standards, the U.S. Senate is a racist organization because one of its members - democrat Robert Byrd - WV - was a member of the KKK. That's 1 out of 100 members or 1%.

Perhap you see how ludicrous that would be??? Then stop doing it yourself!!!

Unless, of course, you are purposely being "obtuse".

reply to post by Xen0m0rpH


I think racism is a major factor to why the tea parties have made such a political influence among the conservative population, I don't think it's the core reason. If anything, the tea parties are reactionary, they are a reactionary movement to the 2008 elections, and are a political movement, a partisan movement.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Xen0m0rpH

 

The Tea Party is Racist in the same sense Racism exists among all groups, even the Democrats. In fact historically Racism was prevalent among Democrats. If you research the Civil Rights Amendment and the votes you will find it had the most support among Republicans to the Democrats shame.

In the times during the Civil Rights debates, while the KKK was most active, nearly all KKK members and leaders were in fact Democrats. A fact they would rather sweep under the rug than air honestly.

The democrats have a very negative history, as do the republicans, definately. I think many folks forget where the democrats were as a party 50 years ago. But then again, we can also look to the great ideological switch that dixie democrats, the south, made from democrat to republican during the 60's, a time when segregation was removed, a time when the civil rights act was passed. A time when Republican presidential hopeful Goldwater felt that racial segregation was a states issue. Reagan among other conservative icons left the democratic party as well to switch Republican. Likewise, you had many liberals, and civil rights activists the likes of Martin Luther King, who distanced themselves from the republican party and began to lean more democratic towards the late 60's.

All this is about is repeating a lie often enough that people come to accept it. It also serves to divide us and divert our attention

The tea parties don't do a good job of uniting the country, as seen by the fact that they still really make a portion of the voting population. It's my way or the highway from the tea parties, and we saw that with the debt ceiling talks, we saw that back in the 2010 congressional elections. Mind you though, I do understand. You have a belief, you have values, and you don't intend to "compromise", and that's understandable. Although it's not going to get you very far. I don't think preaching against medicare, social security, federal assistance to disaster ridden towns and cities of this country, welfare, is going to get anybody far in the elections. I don't think you're going to convince or unite alot of folks either by calling them commies, fascists. That ain't ganna work either.

But hey, I mean who am I to convince you? You got 83 tea party endorsed folks into the republican party, right?

It's worse than usual because we currently have a Progressive Administration

Divide and conquer, huh?

To better understand Obama, the Progressives and their real agenda, study up on Bill Ayers

There's that divide and conquer again.

To understand fully study, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and even Hitler.

Wow, this comment morphed from something moderate to equating progressives to communist and fascist icons and murderers. Divide and conquer alright.

Some of you seroiusly need to watch this and do some thinking..not just the same olde emotional standard default settings which try to pass for intelligence.

When one can shut up the debate points of a big mouth like a Socialist drama queen like Phil Donahue ..you have done something and are on track.

here...this is why communism, socialism, and other feel good systems dont work...but they do put ointment on peoples feelings...no matter how wrong.


www.youtube.com...



Then ..when you have understood the video....try to realize that the NAACP, Southern Christian Leadership Conference , and other such groups are themselves very RACIST. All they have is racism...like a runaway witch hunt they must disturb and overturn the whole of a nation to justify their existance. They get very Wolfie after awhile. It becomes the "Usual Suspects" when you have seen the pattern enough times.

They must label the Tea Party peoples as Racist because if even a handful of people began to think out of the emotional control box that Racism puts you in for control/censorship reasons....it would be to many and to dangerous to the very current and rigged status quo.

Free and independent thought is not allowed in this rigged controlled system...neither from the Democrats nor the Republicans. Both of these parties are invested heavily in public ignorance...by controlling peoples emotions to prevent independent thought and thereby actions.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by centurion1211


Perhaps this will finally educate you to your one sidedness.

democraticunderground.com

Lets put together a list of rhetorical weapons that can be used against the GOP and Bush. Got any faves? Got any new ones? Help with the stone soup here. Don't hesitate to criticize entries, point out any dishonesty (we are not Republicans), potential for backfiring, or rank suckiness.

Wow....Really???

You are citing anonymous forum postings from some other board to support your arguments???

THAT was bizzare. Do you want me to start posting crazy posts from other sites as evidence now?

I read a post the other day on "The Hill" where a self proclaimed Tea Partier called our President a long rant of racial slurs. Shall I post that as evidence??

What crazy desperation...

Originally posted by discharged77

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
If the mere lack of black people around you "proves" you are racist, then we are ALL in trouble, aren't we??? There are no black people around me at the moment...does that mean I am a racist???

If you go to dinner and there are no black people in the restuarant you could simply be in a geography defined by economics or history. Perhaps a region that minorities did not flock to in the past century. It does not make you racist.

If a national political party holds hundreds of large gatherings of thousands of people all across the country and 1% or less are black, then it is fair to ask why. It might even be valid to reflect upon the rhetoric that is employed during those rallies.

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It's a matter of culture, blacks and whites are culturally different, I know that's a hard pill for a multicultural Marxist to swallow.

Marxist? I suspect you have no clue what one is?? Much like Michelle Bachmann, the Tea Party hero, thinking the Founding Fathers freed the slaves?

It is hard to take people seriously when they simply ape things they heard Glen Beck say.

As far as the word "Multicultural" as a slur?

America is a melting pot. An alloy is stronger than steel. Our multicultural heritage is what has always made us the greatest nation on earth and anyone that sees that as a weakness has no clue as to what America is or what makes us great.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Xen0m0rpH

 

I think racism is a major factor to why the tea parties have made such a political influence among the conservative population ...

Stop you right there.

Based on exactly what reputable sources or evidence?

"You think" somehow makes it a fact - as in a lie repeated often enough becomes a fact?