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Tea Party is Racist?

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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reply to post by Southern Guardian
 
Hi SG, mind if I chime in?
What part of socialized medicine makes the Tea Party racist? Trying to find a tie-in, here. . . .
But on that subject, wanna hear what I'd do?


A common tactic I've seen in the past is for an opponent to isolate and pick at a portion of a topic that either can't be rationally debated or that is so off-base that to gather an assumption on the entire topic because of a simple part of an issue leads to false claims/assumptions.

What it comes down to is this. Want a bigger government where they get to decide what you say, eat, drink, wear, drive, live? Keep it up.
We're on that track.

Want to have a smaller government where YOU get to choose where to eat, drink, live, drive etc?
Go with a smaller government option.

But the posts that I have seen aren't about the haves and the have-nots.

It's more along the lines of the earns vs the "I-wants".


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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:44 AM
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reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


Yah funnily enough( funnily isn't really a word either) I DID go back and re read your comments. It is after 4 am where I am. At this point you are showing me that you are really just interested in fighting with individuals who identify with the Tea Party. You also have tried to transfer your own statist hive mind to the Tea Party. It is tiring hearing you Statists continually try to tell Tea Partiers what we are about, and what is bad about what we are about.

You are Statist
Tea Party is not
get over it or get with it



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 


My argument is that this is what we have and no alternative


Obviously there's no alternative to medicare. It's a bloodsucking programme that steals your wealth and invades your liberties. The very system of medicare is unconstitutional and wrong in your eyes, so what do you propose? Well you're reluctant to say you support abolishing it all together with no alternative to cover the elderly. You're in opposition to public healthcare, but you appear to have absolutely no confidence in the free market to cover those elderly.

So essentially you offer nothing, just shouts of communism and fascism.


I am not interested in seeing people not be treated


Hold on. Let's go back to your previous comment shall we?

You posted:
For instance, confiscating my wealth to pay for a program to allow other individuals to have health insurance is an obvious abuse and very obviously a socialistic agenda.

So what do you mean you're not interested in seeing people not being treated? You insist that your wealth being taken to pay for a public healthcare programme is an abuse, but you're reluctant to support abolishing medicare as a programme? And what about people without healthcare? How on earth can insist you give a damn when you call it abuse to cover these people's healthcare in the first place?

Oh yes yes yes I get it, you want to see them get treated, but the fact they get bankrupt afterwards is not your concern. So long as they're getting healthcare, who the hell cares what happens afterwards right?

You don't appear to have any consistency in where you claim to stand on the issues.


About the New World Order in general?


There's a seperate forum for NWO conspiracies.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Want a bigger government where they get to decide what you say, eat, drink, wear, drive, live?


Nope. I think the goverment should stay out of what we smoke, drink, eat. I think the government should stay out of private matters, regardless of their "morals" an views of life. It's our bodies, right? I'm glad you agree.


Want to have a smaller government where YOU get to choose where to eat, drink, live, drive etc?
Go with a smaller government option.


I don't understand how a smaller federal government is going to prevent these things if you intend to give absolute control to the state governments. I remember Goldwater arguing that states held the rights toward the decision of racial segregation. As far as I am aware, that's an example of where the government (state) could tell you where to live, drive, and whom you choose to spend your life with. Ron Paul supports state governments doing this. Many folks, including yourself, do to. And before you tell me this will never happen, it's the principal, the level of power state governments will have, that concerns me more than the chances of it happening.


earns vs the "I-wants"


I wasn't under the impression that healthcare was "earned" in this country. I know many hard working folks who deserve healthcare, but they can't be covered because they have pre-existing conditions. The talk of "entitlement" and "socialism" is a gimmick for tea partiers and the like to dismiss any argument about the problem of healthcare and those folks who are being purposefully kept out for profit in the private industry.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 04:10 AM
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yeah, ron paul again with the states again,

i'm one that wants quality health care with even a co-payment.


EMS is there and should be fully funded.


let's not flood the system with BS cuts and bruises

pay the docs unless no one believes they deserve their pay.


trounce the big pharma, cover all pre-existing conditions if born with one.

it could be well run.


FDA needs more looking at than the FED.




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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

I wasn't under the impression that healthcare was "earned" in this country.

Do you want it to be free then? How else would or could you get healthcare? Of course you have to earn the money to purchase a good or service. Why should healthcare be any different? Unless you're a closet-socialist. . . .


I know many hard working folks who deserve healthcare, but they can't be covered because they have pre-existing conditions.

There you go again. They "deserve" it? I deserve a Lexus. When are you going to buy it for me?


The talk of "entitlement" and "socialism" is a gimmick for tea partiers and the like to dismiss any argument about the problem of healthcare and those folks who are being purposefully kept out for profit in the private industry.
No gimmick, just truth. There are problems with healthcare, but they are not going to be solved with european models, socialist models, communist models.
Just more fail to add to the list.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 04:12 AM
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Southern Guardian, what part of the Individual mandate to force Americans to buy health insurance is unConstitutional don't you get?
What part of redistribution of wealth is not true social justice don't you get? What part of aboliton of private property is Marxism don't you get?
The elite who are advocating this cr*&p are themselves shielding their own wealth. Warren Buffet himself has been shown up for the liar and sheister he is with tax evasion. There is no real social justice in this stuff. The sooner you figure this out the better.
Or are you on the dole and have to defend that by deflecting that people who disagree are just selfish? That is the same old same old argument.
Socialism is not even a morally sound system even though it sounds all altruistic.


Society itself has had numerous examples of why socialism cannot work. Beginning in modern times with the French Revolution, the French literally ate their nation’s prosperity in less than two short years. Taking the wealth from the richer members of society and dispersing the wealth (income redistribution) to the poorer has never worked. In France, the wealth was literally eaten by a hungry people. The wealth of the aristocracy and the Catholic Church were eaten up first; this happened in fewer than two years. What non-aristocratic wealth was left was hidden or fled the country and as matter of course among those who distributed the bread a nouvel wealth was accumulated.
The static electricity model; The distribution of wealth has always presented to the distributors the opportunity to hoard wealth themselves. A good example of that is all the billionaires which appeared in Russia after Communism ended with the Soviet Union. In America, the wealth of the Union bosses and many Community Organizers are a variation on this theme.
Next, in France, the mobs broke into the neighborhood bakeries, taking their bread and wealth and putting them out of business. Where the mob didn’t accomplish this, it was done by order of the Revolutionary government. Soon they sent agents afield and stripped the farmers, who left destitute and could not replant their fields; or would not because they were working for nothing and had no means to pay their own bills. When the revolutionaries tried using communes to produce the crops, they continued to fall off in bushels produced because of lack of incentive.



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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 04:19 AM
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wow you don't want the govt to tell you you cannot have an abortion but you want the govt to confiscate money from others to pay for things that you personally think are just. So, some kind of selective fascist Totalitarianism.


Anyway, none of this is really about racism is it?



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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

I wasn't under the impression that healthcare was "earned" in this country.

Do you want it to be free then?


Public healthcare is not free, your taxes are contributed towards it. Medicare is not free, those elderly folks worked their lives to earn it.


Why should healthcare be any different? Unless you're a closet-socialist


You're in the minority Beezer, there's a world beyond what you see on television, or on the websites you frequent. The Canadians, British and the Australians will think it's a joke if you referred to them as closeted socialists for their support toward their systems. The United states, aside from Turkey, is the only developed country without a universal public healthcare system. Really tells ya how far apart this country is.

As to why healthcare should be any different? Healthcare is essential to ones right toward liberty and freedom. If you are in a country where healthcare is rationed, limited and controlled by corporations, by wealthy profiteers, that's not liberty, it's corporate fascism.


There you go again. They "deserve" it? I deserve a Lexus.


Comparing basic healthcare to a Lexus, what a stretch, but please, go on Beezzer.


There are problems with healthcare,


Well that comment there is something we can both agree on. So what's your solution again? Eliminate medicare, leave it to the free market. Right, the only country that's going to take that step. That's america for ya in the modern age, we just have to tread far right to make a point to the rest of the world, even if it's going to kill us.

I'm sorry, did I just misquote you? Do you support making medicare the special tea party exception as well?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 06:26 AM
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Place caps on medical malpractice, curb the FDA from making a 7 year trial on drugs and you'll have lower medical costs.
Sterylize all lawyers and in a generation you'll have cheaper healthcare, all without the government paying for it.

And where is my Lexus? I deserve it. I didn't earn it, I didn't work for it, but I want it.
Don't you care?
If you don't, then you're cold-hearted, and greedy and selfish.
I WANT MY LEXUS!!!!!



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 

Southern Guardian, what part of the Individual mandate to force Americans to buy health insurance is unConstitutional don't you get?


You're refering to Obama's healthcare bill? Did you actually pay attention to my previous posts at all?


people who disagree are just selfish?


I don't know if you're selfish. If I had to take a guess I'd say you're confused. You there are a number of things you don't particularly like, but you subconsciously hide your feelings by pretending it's something else that you don't agree with.


Socialism is not even a morally sound system even though it sounds all altruistic.


Your definition of socialism is inevitable. There's never been a modern government that did not possess some kind of a socialist component behind it. There's never been a free market system in place. It's just never happened. You know, when Reagan ran, he was alot like Ron Paul. Had plenty of plans about pushing the libertarianist agenda. He came into office, tripled the debt, and actually raised taxes towards the end of his administration. He didn't touch medicare.

Socialism is inevitable and Republican politicans know this. They're smart enough to know that the free market drivel they spout to the tea party masses is just for the campaigns and that's it. Once they come into office, it's back to reality. Why you fellas among the tea parties fall for it time and time again is beyond me. The denial is another thing.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 
Place caps on medical malpractice, curb the FDA from making a 7 year trial on drugs and you'll have lower medical costs.


Why would you think medical costs would be lower from private firms if drugs were made cheaper and regulations were lighter for example? You hold plenty of confidence in private firms to lower these prices just because it was made easier for them. You actually believe they're going to do this? Out of courtesy I presume?

These guys are in it for the profit, but hey, for some reason you think they'll make it all easy for us folks if we just pull out all the stops for them. Jeeze, unbelievable.


Sterylize all lawyers and in a generation


What do you mean sterlize lawyers? You're talking about private lawyers? So you want to interfere with their fundamental rights to represent clients privately? Doesn't make sense to me. Interfer with one private business to make another private business succeed. Doesn't sound all that free marketety.


And where is my Lexus?


You can live without a Lexus. You can't live without healthcare.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:25 AM
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I can't live WELL without a Lexus. I have a right to one. Buy it. For me. Now.

Wanna get rid of the socialized medicine in the US?
If malpractice insurance is lowered, liability issues lowered, FDA restrictions lowered, then costs will go down.
Big Pharma spends billions over the course of years to develop and market drugs. Getting them out faster, means cost savings.
Putting a cap on lawsuits, medical malpractice will lower medical costs. Docs or hospitals won't have to charge an arm and a leg just to protect itself from sharks in lawyersuits.

Get government out of the medicare biz. Government does not know how to save, budget, spend wisely.

Of course, while you and folks like you would enjoy a cradle to grave system there are those of us that would rather keep our freedoms instead.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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Sterylize all lawyers and in a generation you'll have cheaper healthcare, all without the government paying for it.


That right there is a TEA Party attitude alright.

Let's just make it so that people we don't like aren't able to reproduce.

First it's the lawyers, then the latinos, then the Muslims, then the liberals. Soon if the TEA Party gets their way, America will be filled with Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh clones. Nice, white, and conservative.

Thanks for showing us the REAL face of the TEA Party. The Fascist face of the TEA Party, "we don't like what you do or how you look so we're going to sterilize you so that we won't have to put up with YOUR kind in OUR America."



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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What colour am I?
What is my ethnicity?
What "race" do I belong to?

(If you shift a little more to the left, you might be able to get your other foot in your mouth!)



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer


Get government out of the medicare biz. Government does not know how to save, budget, spend wisely.

Of course, while you and folks like you would enjoy a cradle to grave system there are those of us that would rather keep our freedoms instead.



Yes, the freedom to be raped by an unregulated and unchecked Big Pharma.

Your disdain for government is hilarious.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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You're the one advocating forced sterilization based solely upon the person's profession. Right there sounds to me very fascist. So what's to stop you if you are allowed your little sojourn into the forced sterilization of US Citizens based on their job to start doing it to other people based on their skin color or if they are too liberal (by liberal I mean anyone who isn't as fascist as you are appearing) or any other criteria you choose? Maybe after you're done with the lawyers, you can move onto the Muslims. (cause they pray to a different god after all)

The point is, you proved how intolerant the TEA Party is to anyone not fitting within their narrow definition of what a REAL American is the second you said that you wanted to force sterilize lawyers. That is a fascist statement and as a self described TEA Party member, you showed exactly what the TEA Party is all about.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by HauntWok
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You're the one advocating forced sterilization based solely upon the person's profession. Right there sounds to me very fascist. So what's to stop you if you are allowed your little sojourn into the forced sterilization of US Citizens based on their job to start doing it to other people based on their skin color or if they are too liberal (by liberal I mean anyone who isn't as fascist as you are appearing) or any other criteria you choose? Maybe after you're done with the lawyers, you can move onto the Muslims. (cause they pray to a different god after all)

The point is, you proved how intolerant the TEA Party is to anyone not fitting within their narrow definition of what a REAL American is the second you said that you wanted to force sterilize lawyers. That is a fascist statement and as a self described TEA Party member, you showed exactly what the TEA Party is all about.

Lawyers and the ABA and their political lackeys have sucked the blood of Americans for decades. You and lefties like you, have no problem killing unborn children, I make fun of a profession that is one of the causes of such high costs and you wee yourself.
Quit playing the race card.
It is nothing but fail.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by HauntWok
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You're the one advocating forced sterilization based solely upon the person's profession. Right there sounds to me very fascist. So what's to stop you if you are allowed your little sojourn into the forced sterilization of US Citizens based on their job to start doing it to other people based on their skin color or if they are too liberal (by liberal I mean anyone who isn't as fascist as you are appearing) or any other criteria you choose? Maybe after you're done with the lawyers, you can move onto the Muslims. (cause they pray to a different god after all)

The point is, you proved how intolerant the TEA Party is to anyone not fitting within their narrow definition of what a REAL American is the second you said that you wanted to force sterilize lawyers. That is a fascist statement and as a self described TEA Party member, you showed exactly what the TEA Party is all about.


To a majority of TPers a real American is someone who is white and christian.

If you're Hispanic, a jew, black, asian, or indian, you simply aren't a good fit.

The funny part is, if this country wasn't a multi ethic and multicultural melting pot, most of these crackpots screaming to eliminate entitlements and welfare wouldn't care since the benefits would be solely going towards people that look like them, like how it is over in Europe



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by HauntWok
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You're the one advocating forced sterilization based solely upon the person's profession. Right there sounds to me very fascist. So what's to stop you if you are allowed your little sojourn into the forced sterilization of US Citizens based on their job to start doing it to other people based on their skin color or if they are too liberal (by liberal I mean anyone who isn't as fascist as you are appearing) or any other criteria you choose? Maybe after you're done with the lawyers, you can move onto the Muslims. (cause they pray to a different god after all)

The point is, you proved how intolerant the TEA Party is to anyone not fitting within their narrow definition of what a REAL American is the second you said that you wanted to force sterilize lawyers. That is a fascist statement and as a self described TEA Party member, you showed exactly what the TEA Party is all about.


To a majority of TPers a real American is someone who is white and christian.

If you're Hispanic, a jew, black, asian, or indian, you simply aren't a good fit.

The funny part is, if this country wasn't a multi ethic and multicultural melting pot, most of these crackpots screaming to eliminate entitlements and welfare wouldn't care since the benefits would be solely going towards people that look like them, like how it is over in Europe

But if I'm not white, and I belong to the Tea Party, then I can't be racist!



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