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Kerry files suit to stop Swift Boat Ads

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posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 06:32 PM
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TexJohn Kerry please answer these questions so we (voters) can get back on issues such as your 20 year Senate record in order to make an informed decision in November t


To me it matters not, I will vote for Kerry I want him to be president. If anybody wants more death troops coming home from another non justify war you go head and vote for the retarded president we have right now, give him another 4 years and he will have more troops killed in another country and our economy in the gutters with not returned while he and his cronies make all the profits.




posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 08:25 PM
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Marg, that is totally unbelievable. Are you saying that you do NOT care IF Kerry was a completely useless senator, did not represent his district and was an out-and-out bad person...you would still vote for him


BTW, this is another discussion, but Bush did not ruin the country. The man in the WH, who ever he is, does not have much if anything to do with the economy. Alan Greenspan has MUCH more influence on our economy. As do the banks.
In your effort to demonize GWB, you are distorting his influence on our economy. Just as the media and others distort facts and stats in an effort to confuse us as to the true state of the economy.

[edit on 22-8-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Marg, that is totally unbelievable. Are you saying that you do NOT care IF Kerry was a completely useless senator, did not represent his district and was an out-and-out bad person...you would still vote for him

[edit on 22-8-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]


DTOM, RANT said it earlier in this thread that this issue is not going to change the minds of those that already have them made up - seeing this post you are responding to I have to agree with RANT on that aspect.

This vote out Bush at any cost strategy or whatever you want to call it has unknown dangers that some people will never understand. The unfortunate thing is that once they realize the mistake they have helped make come about, it will be far to late to do anything about.

I believe the old saying society has assigned to uninformed is something like "go ye by the grace of god" meaning in simple terms good luck because thats all you now have to rely on.

What a way to pick a candidate


I suggest all koolaid drinkers read my signature and reflect for a moment.



posted on Aug, 22 2004 @ 08:54 PM
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Phoenix~~
Thanks for pointing this out to me. You and RANT are right! I guess it just boggles the mind that anyone would choose a leader in this way. I guess I don't know how to hate to the extent that folks hate Bush.
I will admit to voting for the lesser of two evils, which is not a great way to vote either. But, these strong negative feelings some folks have can blind and consume folks to what is really happening.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:37 AM
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Not it does not have to be with blindness but with the view and parade of president during my life and I have been under more than most in this forums, no don't get me wrong, I have been working since the 70's, I have seen the economy ups and down, but in the last 4 years it has been the worst specially when retirement is facing my husband and me and it looks like is not end to it.

I am talking from life experiences not by a mere wimp or blindness I am to old for that I am protecting my life investments that seem to disappear in the last 4 years of bush economy, I have seen my investment soar during Clinton, add two and two and I made my decision.


And is not influence by parents, coworkers or friends, hey most of them are Republicans, including my parents, but is more by life experiences.

So get the blindness on trip somewhere else perhaps yourseves.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043



TexJohn Kerry please answer these questions so we (voters) can get back on issues such as your 20 year Senate record in order to make an informed decision in November t


To me it matters not, I will vote for Kerry I want him to be president. If anybody wants more death troops coming home from another non justify war you go head and vote for the retarded president we have right now, give him another 4 years and he will have more troops killed in another country and our economy in the gutters with not returned while he and his cronies make all the profits.


Marge,

What are you smoking? Kerry has stated that he will not bring home the troops. He has too much of his own money invested in Haliburton to end the war. Excuse me, His wife's money. Do you honestly think that Kerry is not profiting from the war. retarded president? I think not, you have fallen for the socialist left teaching by believing that Bush is not smart. What amazes me more than anything else is that the Democrates want us to live in communist/Socialist country. Where everyone is equal and the government provides everything to everyone with the exception of the Democratic party who are more equal than others and get all the benefits. just like the Communist Party in the USSR. Kruschev was right, they are taking us over, by erroding the precious rights we have. we can't have the swifties because they are bad and evil, but moveon is okay because they are part of us. Be careful what you wish for Marg, you might get it.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 07:56 AM
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Any body wiht big money can profit in this country with war including the Bin-ladden family or you think that they lost or their invesments in US, not they did not, and they are part of the same company that former president bush is a big partner also, profiting from war, the carlylegroup. War can be profitable when you invest with the right people.


www.carlylegroup.net...



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 02:14 PM
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From Fox News


Bush said ads from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (search), a 527 group named after its status in the tax code, should be pulled. The call from Bush could open him up to charges that the Bush-Cheney campaign is coordinating with an unregulated political organization.

"That means that ad and every other ad. I don't believe we ought to have 527s. I think they're bad for the system," Bush said on Monday in Crawford, Texas. "I frankly thought we'd gotten rid of it when I signed McCain-Feingold" campaign finance reform.


The 527s are out of control. No one is actually using the way they were intended.
At least Bush did reiterate his previous denouncement of this type of advertising. He could have cowboy'd up and told Kerry, "Oh I'll bring it, and you ain't gunna like it"



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 02:29 PM
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Bush calls for the ads to be pulled. Fine, that's even what Kerry wants, so how about the Moveon.org ads now? Will Kerry call for them to get pulled? IMO, Kerry is a wuss who can't stand the heat, he started the whole Vietnam thing... The debates should be interesting...

Found this site with info about 527's.

www.opensecrets.org
Gives details on funding and what they've spent the $ on.

Here is the link for the swiftboat vets: www.opensecrets.org...

and here's moveon.org - [url=http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527events.asp?orgid=41[/ur]

The swifties have gotten contributions of $150,000 - Kerry has probably spent more in haircuts during the campaign than that...(dailytelegraph.news.com.au...)



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 02:47 PM
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It seems that Bush can be criticized and he will keep on going, doing the job and getting things done (whether you agree or not).

Kerry on the other hand, is now crying "stop being so mean to me".

If he thinks this is tough, some people saying bad things...how is he going to actually handle the job? He can't take the heat and he is not even there. Is he going to sue us all for criticizing him?



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by NashMan
The swifties have gotten contributions of $150,000 - Kerry has probably spent more in haircuts during the campaign than that.


Yep!

Yet the Dems have been doing the same thing to Bush:
America Coming Together $30 Million
Moveon.org $9 Million

Never saw Bush whine about that. He just does the job. Wonder what's got Kerry so scare? What's he have to hide?



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 02:54 PM
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Kerry is like the little kid who says, "I'm taking my ball and going home. and then I'm going to tell my mom on you! "

His skin is just not thick enough to take it when someone disagrees with his version of the past.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
He [Kerry] can't take the heat and he is not even there. Is he going to sue us all for criticizing him?


The only reason Kerry wants to stop these ads is because they are getting to close to the truth. The interesting thing is that he's already clamoring to infringe on our First Amendment rights.

To be fair, Bush has spoken out against the "527" ads and Bush has never had an unkind word to say about Kerry's military service.

I think Kerry is cracking. By November, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts sounding like Al Gore.

[edit on 04/8/23 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by phreak_of_nature
Kerry is like the little kid who says, "I'm taking my ball and going home. < sniff, sniff > and then I'm going to tell my mom on you! < sniff >"
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You're right. He is whining extra hard over this...




posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
But in a way they are. The SBVT are addressing Kerry's misrepresentation of his war record. Im not making a comment on thier message, but the fact that he may not have told the truth about his war record.

IMHO, this is a campaign issue.


The only issue, is that it's a strategy to deflect from the issues. It's "Four Corners", killing the clock, grinding it out....whatever sports analogy you want to apply for trying to kill the last seconds of game time; which is at T-minus 70 days. And another thing, you think you can make up s**t & get medals without corroberation of events!?!
There is no sound economic analysis that favors what has transpired & what will continue under a Bush Administration. The Congressional Budget Office has laid bare the oligarchy tilt to their "tax cuts". THe EPA can't stifle reports of pharmeceuticals in our water supply or high levels of fire retardants in our farm raised salmon. The death count & continuing clusterf**k that is the Iraqi invasion is about to deteriorate into a world wide jihad with THE holy site for a large sect of Islam about to come under tank tracks.

Soooooooooooo........let's fill up media time & Sunday talk shows with a Rove Republican distraction from nearly 40 years ago, that, coincidently, has had the crew come forward about seeing the wounds & other Skipper on the same offensive praise the strategy. Hell, retired colonel Kenneth Cordier even resigned this weekend from Bush's Veteran's Advisory Board after appearing in the Swift boat group's latest advertisement without his knowledge. Republicans are very honorable people ....just not Rove Republicans.
But hey, you guys go ahead & NOT HAVE BUSH come to table with any policy, any plan or even any coherent mutterings about what he's going to do about the REAL issues facing our nation.....leadership has a bar lower than a tic's testicles in your eyes, I guess.



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 03:58 PM
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You guys have all the latest "talking points" correct but you're missing the big picture. The Bush PR team has pulled yet again from the 2000 primary play book calling Kerry's demands that the ads stop..

Frivolous, Reactionary, Unstable and WILD EYED

All used on McCain when he said the SAME THING about Bush's dirty tricks in 2000 trying to make him look like a crazy Vietnam Vet that can't stand the heat.

I mean why can't you see it? If it's true about Kerry, was it true about McCain too? I'm not going to be insulting and say "you fell for it" because I'm sure everyone posting believes those things about Kerry, but why can't you see the Bush manipulation here? Kerry could be McCain, Clarke, literally any number of people fallen out of favor at one time or another with RoveCo and the accusations would be the same. They always are.

Bush did let his press secretary do the dirty work here first before coming out himself and saying AGAIN Kerry's service was noble and finally asking the ads stop...so is Bush saying SBVT are lying now too? After he says Kerry is unstable? It's just too much BS to take in or even care about anymore.

It will be interesting however IF SBVT listen to Bush and stop...since he "has no ties."



posted on Aug, 23 2004 @ 08:23 PM
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All used on McCain when he said the SAME THING about Bush's dirty tricks in 2000 trying to make him look like a crazy Vietnam Vet that can't stand the heat.


Well, as a veteran of the war in Vietnam, I am not particularly fond of those you try to paint us a time-bombs and whatnot, and neither am I fond of those who exploit the symptoms of trauma many of us endure.

Neither am I of the mind that being a Vietnam veteran qualifies one for the Presidency or that it disqualifies one. The demands of both are very different.

The political arena is very tough as we can all observe, and having a Silver Star for valor in combat is not necessarily a good sign that one will be a good President. Personally, I think Kerry is a spoiled brat who gets what he wants by pulling strings or just flat-out buying it. Failing that he sues.

Kerry is, in my opinion, getting frustrated because he can't just shut these Swift Boat guys up and move on to his own agenda. So, what does he do? He threatens to sue.

After what he did to his fellow vets in 1971, I just don't have any pity for him at all. If you had been veteran of the war in Vietnam and were smeared by this imbecile and you had to live with the public opinion that was influenced by his self serving lies, you would more than likely understand how I feel. As for those Vietnam vets who do support him, I don't get it. In the long haul, I think most veterans of the war in Vietnam are not going to side with Kerry.

[edit on 04/8/23 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 08:08 AM
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Sorry to say Grady, your capability to logically peg a spoiled child of old money wealth who only got into college via legacy admission and steep endowments, who had the dishonor of leap frogging 200 others for flight school, who went AWOL from that womb-safe assignment , who is our first president with an arrest record, who bankrupted & short changed the futures of every employee ( except executive staff) for every company he "lead".......,, is a flaw of blinders perception.

....Kerry went to war, volunteered, served with valor & distinction by account on every point of the compass ( direct reports, to direct peer officers, to direct commanders )saw what was happening, came back and protested, yet stayed as an active reservist until the late 1970's. The Swifties are who your disdain should fall to , they've been proven to be dishonorable lying scum, going back to the McCain "campaign" of destruction. They're also on record as being profoundly Rascist.
And the topper: they do work directly for the Bush campaign. They did in 2000, and they do now.
They're attorney also runs Legal for the
Bush/Cheney re-election campaign. So please, you guys need to stop the "they're concerned Vets without political affiliation" bullsh**t..
Damn right Kerry should sue; it has nothing to do with "not taking the Heat" and everything to do with maintaining a democratic process.
I don't get how Vet's would vote for BUSH!?!?!

THIS is Bush's respect for the Military, past & present:

Bush Cuts Funds for Veterans' Health Care

Active Service Members and Their Families Face Devastating Cuts


Army Times Called The Pay Cuts "Maddening"

The Army Times, an independent paper distributed to Army personnel, criticized Bush, saying "The bottom line: If the Bush administration felt in April that conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan warranted increases in danger pay and family separation allowances, it cannot plausibly argue that the higher rates are not still warranted today." The Times said the Bush administration "undermined" support for the troops, and called the pay cuts "maddening." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution called the Pentagon's plan "heartless" and "simply unacceptable." [Army Times, 8/18/03; San Francisco Chronicle, 8/14/03; Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 8/15/03]

Some Children Of Soldiers In Iraq Rely On Charity
The charity group "Feed the Children" organized food drives for children whose parents were fighting in Iraq. Between December 2002 and April 2003, the group "delivered 600,000 pounds of food and other necessities to more than 6,200 military families at 12 bases." In April, people "lined up for a half-hour near Fort Bragg to get free boxes of supplies and food, from cereal and spaghetti sauce to baby food and potato chips. Among the needy were some of the 1,200 families living near the Army post and Pope Air Force Base whose breadwinners are off fighting in Iraq."



posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 10:16 AM
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Well its apparent that a nerve has been struck and much must be true, why else would Kerry and his koolaid swilling minions make fools of themselves attacking the messenger instead of the message.

And a message for both Bush and Kerry as well, the first amendment brooks no abridgement of free speach period - if Kerry feels SBVT is lying then by all means go ahead and sue for libel - in fact SBVT even said they dare him to do so. Is it fear of the legal discovery process that is causing all this misdirection?

I believe that is the case here why else would Kerry go after the Bush campaign, TV stations, book publishers and book sellers but not the actual group that made the allegations.

BT, lawyers for both Moveon.org and SBVT work for the respective campaigns - its a non-issue.

I have already posted links showing Moveon's collusion with the democrats and many more have become available since then, it would be taking the moral high ground if the democratic party cleaned up its own operations before pointing out problems elsewhere in an effort to change the subject away from the original assertions made by SBVT. Until that happens they should quit whining.



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