For anyone that has any doubt as to the identity of Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ qualifies as the messiah as he fulfilled nearly all of the scriptures in the old testament. The only scriptures yet to be fulfilled concern the future and will be fulfilled when he returns as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

ISA 45:23 By myself I have sworn,
my mouth has uttered in all integrity
a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow;
by me every tongue will swear.

ISA 45:24 They will say of me, `In the LORD alone
are righteousness and strength.' "
All who have raged against him
will come to him and be put to shame.

How do we know that the bible is accurate today and has not changed over time? The dead sea scrolls were discovered between 1947 and 1956 and they date to a time before Jesus walked the earth. These findings validate that the scriptures we have today are an accurate representation of what was written more than 2000 years ago.

www.centuryone.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

The number of books compiled from the fragments of the scrolls is astonishing. The book of enoch (not considered part of the biblical canon) is compiled 25 times from the fragments. I personally regard the book of Enoch as scripture. So does Saint Jude in the new testament.

Here are the scripture references from the old testament that prophecy of the messiah. Alongside the old testament references are the relevant new testament references.

Christ’s Birth

Born in Bethlehem Mtt 2:3-6 ~ Micah 5:2
God became flesh Jhn 1:1,14, 1Jn 4:2, 1Jn 5:20, Isa 9:6
Infant in Egypt Mtt 2:13-15 ~ Hos 11:1
Massacre of children Mtt 2:16-18 ~ Jer 31:15
Boyhood in Nazareth Mtt 2:23 (oral prophecy)

Christ's Ancestry

Virginal conception Mtt 1:18-25 ~ Isa 7:14, Lke 1:26-38
Seed of a woman Gal 4:4 Mtt 1:21 Gen 3:15
Seed of Abraham Lke 1:72-73, Gen 12:3, Gen 22:16-18
Seed of Isaac and Jacob Lke 3:34, Gen 17:19, Gen 21:12, Num 24:17
Of the tribe of Judah Lke 3:33, Gen 49:10
Son of David Lke 3:31, Mtt 1:1, 2Sm 7:12-14

John the Baptist’s Witness

Christ Heralded by John Lke 1:76, Mal 3:1, Lke 3:2-6, Mtt 11:10
Voice in the wilderness Mrk 1:2-4, Isa 40:3-5, Jhn 1:23, Mtt 3:1-3
John antitype of Elijah Mtt 17:10-13, Mal 4:5-6, Lke 1:17, Mrk 9:11-13

Christ’s Ministry

Enlightened mankind Mtt 4:12-16 ~ Isa 9:1-2
Sight to the blind (fig.) Lke 4:16-21 ~ Isa 61:1-3
Proclaimed justice Mtt 12:17-21 ~ Isa 42:1-4
Light to the Gentiles Lke 2:32, Isa 42:6, Isa 49:6
All taught of God Jhn 6:45, Isa 54:13
Healed the sick Mtt 8:16-17 ~ Isa 53:4
Taught in parables Mtt 13:34-35, Psa 78:2, Mtt 13:11-15, Isa 6:9-10, Mrk 4:11-13, Jhn 12:39-41

Conflict and Opposition

Cleansed the temple Jhn 2:15-17, Rom 15:3, Psa 69:9
Met with opposition Mtt 21:42-43, Psa 118:22
Stone builders rejected Mtt 21:42, Acts 4:11, Eph 2:20, 1Pe 2:7, Psa 118:22-23, Mrk 12:10-12, Lke 20:17
Met with unbelief Jhn 12:37-41, Isa 6:10, Isa 53:1
Met with hard heartedness Mtt 15:7-9, Rom 11:9-10, Isa 29:13, Psa 69:22-23, Mrk 7:68
Met with hatred Jhn 15:24-25, Psa 35:19, Psa 69:4
Enemies take counsel against him Psa 2:1-2, Act 4:25-28

Praise and Betrayal

Praised from the mouth of babes Mtt 21:16, Psa 8:2
Triumphal entry to Jerusalem Mtt 21:4-11, Lke 19:28-44, Jhn 12:13, Zec 9:9, Isa 62:11
Mtt 23:39, Lke 13:35, Psa 118:26, Mrk 11:9
Betrayed Jhn 13:18, Psa 41:9
The betrayal price Mtt 26:14-16, Mtt 27:5-10, Zec 11:12-13
Judas to be replaced Acts 1:16-20, Psa 69:25, Psa 109:8, Jhn 17:12
Disciples scattered Mtt 26:31, Zec 13:7, Mrk 14:27
False witnesses Mrk 14:55-57, Psa 27:12-14

The Crucifixion

The crucifixion Mtt 27:33-46, Psa 22:1-18
Crucified with thieves Mtt 27:38, Lke 22:37, Isa 53:9,12
Given vinegar and gall Mtt 27:34, Psa 69:21, Jhn 19:28-29
Lots cast for his garments Mtt 27:35 , Psa 22:18, Mrk 15:24, Lke 23:34, Jhn 19:23-24
Taunts of mockers Mtt 27:39-44, Psa 22:7-8, Lke 23:35
"Forsaken" by God Mtt 27:46, Psa 22:1, Mrk 15:34
No bones broken Jhn 19:31-36, Psa 34:20
Pierced Jhn 19:37, Zec 12:10; 13:6, Psalm 22:16, Lke 24:39, Jhn 20:24-29
The sacrifice for sin Heb 10:5-10, 1Jn 2:1-2, Psa 40:6-8
Burial in rich man’s tomb Mtt 27:57-60, Isa 53:9

Christ’s glory

Resurrection Acts 2:24-28, Psa 16:8-11, Jna 1:17, Hos 6:2, Acts 13:34-37, Mtt 12:40
Ascension on high Acts 2:34-35, Psa 110:1, Psa 68:18, Acts 1:9, Eph 4:8, Dan 7:13-14
Given the name above all names Php 2:9, Isa 9:6
Son of Man crowned with glory Heb 2:5-10, 1Co 15:25-28, Psa 8:4-6

Christ’s Mighty Power

Eternal God upon the throne Heb 1:8-13, Psa 45:6-7, Psa 102:25-27
Creator of heavens and earth Heb 1:10-12, Psa 102:25-27
Let all the angels worship him Heb 1:6, Psa 97:7
Declared God’s Son Mtt 3:17, Lke 1:35, Act 13:33, Heb 1:5, Heb 5:5, Psa 2:7
At God’s right hand Lke 20:42, Acts 2:34, Psa 110:1, Psa16:8-11, Mrk12:36, Mtt 22:44

Christ as King and Priest

Heir to David’s throne Lke 1:32-33, Acts 2:30-36
To crush the nations Rev 2:26-27, Rev 12:5, Rev 19:15, Psa 2:9, Dan 2:44-45
A priest of the order of Melchizedek Heb 5:6, Heb 6:20, Heb 7:17,21, Psa 110:4
In the midst of his church Heb 2:11-12, Psa 22:22, Rev 1:12-20

Christ’s Second Advent (yet future)

Resurrection of the dead Dan 12:2,13, Hos 13:14, Isa 25:8, 1Co 15:51-57
Entry of the saints into heaven Dan 12:3, Heb 4:1-11, Psa 95:6-11
The wicked enter everlasting fire Isa 34:8-10, Mtt 25:41, Rev 19:2-4, Rev 20:14-15

I'm sorry but I can't believe those sources, if this was true it would be front page news everywhere.

reply to post by XplanetX


Mate, they have got you pretty well brainwashed now haven't they.

These supposed records of Jesus Christ in the New Testament were wriiten some 300 years after his supposed time of death

Keep researching brother you'll get there (the truth) if you do.

Originally posted by BigBruddah
I'm sorry but I can't believe those sources, if this was true it would be front page news everywhere.

The dead sea scrolls were front page news.

Here is a more recent article:

www.nytimes.com...

meh all i hear is hes born then BOOOOOOOOOOOM hes already grown up, plus isnt the paintings of jesus false so its like praying to a false god or something? i could be wrong

reply to post by BigBruddah


oh yeah???

like the MSM would carry it...

seeya

Originally posted by Mythkiller
reply to post by XplanetX

 

Mate, they have got you pretty well brainwashed now haven't they.

These supposed records of Jesus Christ in the New Testament were wriiten some 300 years after his supposed time of death

Keep researching brother you'll get there (the truth) if you do.

These are not new testament scriptures, they are the old tetsament scriptures.

They are carbon dated to more than 130 years before the birth of Jesus.

reply to post by Mythkiller


hi Mythkiller

seeing as u didnt provide a "source',
i will just "comment" too for now,,,

what about the Gospel of John?

i undserstand he was the last living "Apostle",
and he wrote his work before 100AD...

am i wrong?

reply to post by XplanetX


Funny isn't it that carbon dating and other scientific methods are discarded as "not precise" when they tend to discredit the bible.. but used as "evidence" when it comes in handy.

Lots of "historical facts" were never able to be proven due to lack of evidence... and knowing there were quite some roman scholars keeping logs I assume these facts are mere fiction.

Maybe it's time to put the old book down and look inside to find god, perhaps it's out there somewhere most likely in every atom. But books can't translate what the voice inside is telling you

Originally posted by shaneR
reply to post by Mythkiller

 

hi Mythkiller

seeing as u didnt provide a "source',
i will just "comment" too for now,,,

what about the Gospel of John?

i undserstand he was the last living "Apostle",
and he wrote his work before 100AD...

am i wrong?

No, you are correct.

Originally posted by FriendlyGopher
reply to post by XplanetX

 

Funny isn't it that carbon dating and other scientific methods are discarded as "not precise" when they tend to discredit the bible.. but used as "evidence" when it comes in handy.

Lots of "historical facts" were never able to be proven due to lack of evidence... and knowing there were quite some roman scholars keeping logs I assume these facts are mere fiction.

Maybe it's time to put the old book down and look inside to find god, perhaps it's out there somewhere most likely in every atom. But books can't translate what the voice inside is telling you

Sorry, I must have missed something.

When did carbon dating discredit the bible?

reply to post by FriendlyGopher


there are Roman sources that mention Jesus...

see Tacitus (Annals) XV chapter 44 (written about 114AD)

"Christ executed during reign of Tiberius...by Governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate..."

Jesus was recognised by the Romans as being real...

see also : Celcus;

+ Pliny

etc


seeya

edit = correct chapter ref for Tacitus...= chapter 44

You do know that the dead sea scrolls contained books that were not published in the bible. Book of Judas?...How about the book of Mary Magdalin. No the hierarchy couldn't have a book from Jesus' betrayer, nor would they allow a woman to instill morals/values into their people's minds. People (King James, etc) twisted and contorted it to suit their agenda...controlling people.

Originally posted by iamhobo
You do know that the dead sea scrolls contained books that were not published in the bible. People (King James, etc) twisted and contorted it to suit their agenda...controlling people.

I have already mentioned the 'Book of Enoch', which I count as part of scripture.

reply to post by iamhobo


the Dead Sea Scrolls were not a Bible or a book ..

they were a collection of "bits and pieces" from different parts
of of the lives lived by the people who wrote them...

it just so happens that some of the "bits" are parts of the OLD testament...
and when translated, it turned out our copies today ( of the Old Testament),
are almost WORD FOR WORD exactly the same as they were 2000 or more years ago,,,

funny that...

seeya

It's my assertion that the Bible is the only document extant that accurately describes our world to this very day. It's the grand unifying theory--nothing else can touch it--and when overlaid on our world is an accurate and perfect fit.

My meme: From NWO to UFOs to Climate Craziness to War and Man's inhumanity to Man it's all in there.

Not to mention things like predicting that Israel would be a nation again someday. No matter what your belief you gotta admit that was a long shot.

reply to post by shaneR


Sorry but it's simply not enough to give evidence for his existence. I would like to refer to en.wikipedia.org... . Not a single historian would take any of those claims for real if it would be pertaining a random person let alone a according to the bible well know figure in those days. It's simply not possible.

as for the comments above I was referring to the whole dinosaur vs bible issue with carbon dating etc.

Jesus Christ = Osiris..

Or MANY other names that came *before* Jesus and had the same story. He is just a character that was created and re-told many times thousands of years before the name was changed to Jesus.

It reminds of today's entertainment. We have a 1980's version of Conan with AH-NOLD, now we have a 2011 Conan with a new guy. Same basic story...different lead character.

reply to post by shaneR


whether jesus was real or not isnt the problem, he could have been real but "was he the son of god" i mean he could he have just been some very clever dude pulling tricks or just a story someone heard from a friends uncle sisters husband next door neighbour. and if he was the son of god why not show it to the masses like by not dying on the cross and break the cross and super dive kick the dude nailing him to the cross but meh

reply to post by FriendlyGopher


His actual existence would be a great place to start...

most people do not even believe he was real...

so, once U accept He actually existed,
U have to ask yourself how He came to fame...

and the odds against the survival of Christianity were GREAT,
it was a fluke ( or a miracle) that it has survived...

i am inclined to believe the latter,,,

seeya