Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by ANOK
No? What kind of reply is that?
I proved you were wrong in that thread, and you gave up. There is plenty of proof of my point in that thread. Your only rebuttal was trying to claim my quotes were from bogus web sites, until I started quoting from actual books in my own collection. Then you just stopped even trying. You claim to be an Anarchist, and you don't even know who the real Anarchists were, and what they stood for. You called them stupid. If it wasn't for those original Anarchists you would never even have heard of the word.
Anarchism needs no state system, socialism needs no state system. They just need people who are organized, and realise the power of social cooperation, rather than individual competition.
Anarchism is stateless socialism, Mikhail Bakunin 1814-1876, anarcho-collectivist
Yeah this economist was stupid...
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (pronounced [ˈpruːd ɒn] in BrE, [pʁu dɔ̃] in French) (15 January, 1809 – 19 January, 1865) was a French economist and socialist philosopher who was the first individual to call himself an "anarchist" and is considered among the first anarchist thinkers. Proudhon is most famous for his assertion of "Property is theft!", in his missive What is Property? Or, an Inquiry into the Principle of Right of Government with the original title: Qu'est-ce que la propriété? Recherche sur le principe du droit et du gouvernement, which was his first major work, published in 1840...
...In his earliest works, Proudhon analyzed the nature and problems of the capitalist economy. While deeply critical of capitalism, he also objected to contemporary socialists who idolized association. In series of commentaries, from What is Property? (1840) through the posthumously-published Théorie de la propriété (Theory of Property, 1863-64), he declared that "property is theft", "property is impossible", "property is despotism" and "property is freedom". The apparent contradiction is resolved when it is realized that, in "property is theft", he was using the word to mean the type of property which created exploitative conditions. Specifically, he was referring to the means of production which labourers did not own themselves, and the system of wage labour...
...On the other hand, in asserting that property is essential for liberty, he was referring not only to the product of an individual's labor, but to the peasant or artisans home and tools of his trade. For Proudhon, the only legitimate source of property is labor. What one produces is his property and anything beyond that is not. He can be considered a libertarian socialist, since he advocated worker self-management and argued against capitalist ownership of the means of production.
You don't want Anarchism, you want a free for all for capitalists to exploit others.
You read some garbage on the net and think you know everything.
edit on 8/10/2011 by ANOK because: typo