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Didn't Abe Lincoln's wife get sick and died from drinking unpasteurized milk? While unpasteurized cheese is perfectly healthy to consume because the negative germs and what not that can make you sick and kill you are combated by the healthy germs. Unpasteurized milk has a much higher chance of transmitting disease and harmful germs. Not to mention all the crap (literally) that is floating around in unpasteurized and unfiltered milk.
People blame the government for this, but I guarantee there is a corporate aspect to this behind the government action...
... but it annoys me that people use this as an example of a "nanny state." The motives are likely the opposite -- it's and example of a "fascist state." ...
David Icke: Problem Reaction Solution
So it works like this: First of all, you create the problem, but you get someone else to be blamed for it. You then report that problem through the media in the way you want it reported – because the media is owned by the same people who own the banks, etc. You get the public to react to your problem by saying, “Something must be done; this can’t go on; what are THEY going to do about it?” And at that point, THEY, who have covertly created the problem, and blamed someone else, who gleaned that reaction of Do Something, then offer the solution to the problems they have created.
Originally posted by neonitus
i think its a legal requirement for milk to be pasteurised (and cheese). they just shut down an illegal farm that was endangering the public.edit on 3-8-2011 by neonitus because: cant spell
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by Tholidor
Originally posted by neonitus
pasteurised milk is safer, thats a fact.
Care to provide any proof of that claim?
You do know what people who spout unsubstantiated opinions as facts are called don't you?
What do they call people who harass others without bothering to check on the claim themselves?
In February 1907, a New York physician discovered that his longtime dairy supplier had switched to pasteurized milk.
He so detested the practice—not to mention the taste—that, as he wrote to the New York Times, he would rather "run the risk of typhoid, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and tuberculosis rather than [endure] the evils that I believe would follow the systematic and prolonged use of pasteurized milk."
One assumes the doctor was indulging in a public temper tantrum, not broadcasting a suicide wish.
By 1907, physicians knew well the blistering fevers of typhoid, the terrible choking deaths of diphtheria, and what was then called "the white plague" of tuberculosis.
Raw milk containing those very pathogens had been linked to the deaths of hundreds of children in New York City annually.
And by the time that letter was published, some four decades of experiments showed that the quick-heat treatment of pasteurization could save lives.
My mothers infant sister was one of those that died of TB.edit on 4-8-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye
You have no right telling strangers what chances they have the right to take.
No, I don't but the FDA does.
Get this straight....
I lost an aunt due to this practice and so sorry if I don't agree and never will.
I think I still have that right don't I?
edit on 4-8-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)
...."Government" really doesn't have an agenda -- merely a rudderless collection of people who are trying to get re-elected.....
Letter of Support,
Please consider this a testimonial and a letter of support for Goat and Cow programs in CA.
I am a producer of retail approved raw milk in CA. I am subject to incredibly intensive and very expensive regulation for my raw milk products which are available throughout CA in 400 retail stores. More than 65,000 people each week consume our raw milk products.
I met with Mike Hulme two weeks ago. He brought with him some of his raw goat milk and raw feta cheese.
I have never been more impressed with the goat milk and cheese. It was incredibly fresh, clean and when tested it was cleaner than mine….now that is a real testimonial from a guy who knows raw milk. The results come as no surprise. When a small farmer takes pride in his milking and cleanliness, the results are obvious and you can taste the concern, work and effort.
It is about time that Californians take personal responsibility for their food, for their health and for their relationships with their food sources and farmers. Goat or Cow Shares are the ultimate expression of this consumer outreach effort.
There is no readily available retail raw goats milk in CA. If a consumer wants or needs raw goats milk they will need to buy their own goat. Most municipalities forbid the home boarding of goats or cows. This means the consumer must become a co-producer and contract with a farmer to house and milk their goat.
So far, CDFA has made this a criminal activity. This CDFA activity is “truly a canary” in the mineshaft of America’s eroding food freedoms and freedoms in general. Our current American diet has failed miserably and produces, obesity, diabetes, IBS, Asthma, Autism….it is a disaster. Consumers have come to understand this and now seek whole unprocessed foods. These farm direct unprocessed whole foods do not produce the same outrageous illnesses and outcomes. Consumers shall not be forced to eat foods that are sickening the broader population. No matter what CDFA or the FDA says or does.
These CDFA law enforcement raids are hitting a nutritional civil rights movement brick wall. This CDFA police enforced, DA lock down of constitutionally protected sacred food activity is nothing short of Fascist. It will stop and it must stop. There have been no illnesses reported in CA from these small Share based systems. Pure and simple, this is about CDFA trying its best to protect market share for Big Ag and pasteurized milk products.
The FDA has pasteurized milk listed as the most allergenic food in America. Pasteurized milk is associated with lactose intolerance and is a very dead food.
Consumers must have control over their health destinies and must not be forced to eat food that causes extreme food allergies and terrible gas pains. To them…pasteurized milk is downright dangerous and not health building.
Raw milk is just the opposite….it stabilizes MAST cells and treats and prevents allergies and Asthma ( see PARSIFAL study in EU ). Raw milk is also not commonly associated with lactose intolerance.
Please do what you can to assure the consumers and their farmers of access to safe clean delicious raw milk. Please make the message loud and clear….food is a sacred right, where that food comes from and whether that food is processed or not is also a sacred right.
All the best,
Organic Pastures Dairy Company LLC
8. Why is milk pasteurized?
In the 1800s, many US dairies began commercially producing low quality raw milk in the inner cities of Boston and New York and others. These Brewery dairies would feed their cows very poor quality "brewer's mash." The resulting milk was very weak and nearly blue from lack of protein, mineral, and fat content. This occurred during the Jamaican rum embargo. During this same time period, the dairy industry did not use or have access to refrigeration, stainless steel, milking machines, rubber hoses, hot water, or chlorine as a sanitizer. TB and Brucellosis were rampant (not to mention horse manure on the streets, flies, and lack of public sanitation and sewage) and the cows were milked by hand without mechanical machines. The cows stood in manure and there was no access to pasture (sounds like some factory dairy farms of 2005). The resulting unhealthy milk from these sources literally killed millions. The heating of milk to high temperatures reduced this horrible blight. During this same time period, milk from the countryside taken from pasture grazed healthy and clean cows was the best medicine of the day. In fact, the Mayo Clinic used this high quality country raw milk as a basis for many disease curing therapies. This was the untold story of raw milk. Because of pasteurization successes, commercial interests prevailed and all dairies (the good, bad, and the ugly) then began to pool their milk so that "nobody would die," even if milk quality was very poor. This was great news for milk mass marketing, and creameries created high profits. These pasteurization practices continue today with the chief benefit being extended shelf life. These modern dead milk products now cause allergies and lactose intolerance to huge sectors of the population. Current (PMO) Federal standards for pasteurized milk permit 100,000 bacteria per ml for milk going to be pasteurized with as many as 20,000 injured or living bacteria to be alive after pasteurization, and this may include pathogens (this is arguably the reason why milk is pasteurized). California standards for human consumption raw milk require that milk sold for raw consumption have fewer than 10 coliforms and fewer than 15,000 live bacteria per ml and no pathogens. OPDC averages about 1500 beneficial living bacteria per ml and no test has ever detected a human pathogen in our “raw milk samples.”
Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by soficrow
You're right about the fact that there's horrible stuff going on that 'they' don't want us to know about. Like the fact that this whole mess is about multinational corporations negotiating for market share - the deal is 'shut down the little guys then maybe we'll clean up a bit of the crap we dump into your water, soil, food and air.'
YEAH, Thats the PLAN!
Upon hearing that the FFA member wanted to continue on in production agriculture, Gore reportedly replied that the young person should develop other plans because our production agriculture is being shifted out of the U.S. to the Third World." showcase.netins.net...
Clinton Ratified NAFTA and WTO in 1995.(open borders & no Tarriffs)
The US government is INTENTIONALLY putting in place laws that whiplash prices and bankrupt independent farmers all over the world.
You may read this September 2010 report, courtesy of our Freedom of Information Act, at cia.gov.
...Here is an interesting and self-conflicted disclaimer, from its “Introduction,” page 1:
The term “global governance” as used in this paper includes all the institutions, regimes, processes, partnerships, and networks that contribute to collective action and problem solving at the international level. This definition subsumes formal and informal arrangements as well as the role of nonstate actors in transnational settings. Regional cooperation may also be regarded as an element of global governance insofar as it contributes to broader efforts. Governance differs from government, which implies sovereign prerogatives and hierarchical authority. Global governance does not equate to world government, which would be virtually impossible for the foreseeable future, if ever.
Originally posted by neonitus
some of these replys are quite silly.
pasteurised milk is safer, thats a fact. you know what people who argue against facts are dont you?
food laws usually have a pretty good reason behind them. this farm was talking short cuts to make more money whilst endangering their customers.
Originally posted by newcovenant
To clarify this incident for those deliberately or accidentally mis-informed...
The official word from the DA's office is that Stewart, Palmer & Bloch were arrested on criminal conspiracy charges stemming from the alleged illegal production and sale of unpasteurized goat milk, goat cheese, yogurt and kefir. The arrests are the result of a year-long sting. The 13-count complaint alleges that an undercover agent received goat milk, stored in a cooler in the back of Healthy Family Farms van, in the parking lot of a grocery store.
While it's legal to manufacture and sell unpasteurized dairy products in California, licenses and permits are required. Rawesome may have violated regulations by selling raw dairy products to non-members.]
blogs.laweekly.com...edit on 4-8-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)
In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton.
Prior to sending it to the United States Senate, Clinton introduced clauses to protect American workers and allay the concerns of many House members. It also required U.S. partners to adhere to environmental practices and regulations similar to its own.The ability to enforce these clauses, especially with Mexico, and with much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by a vote of 234 to 200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994. Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement." en.wikipedia.org...
"We Made a Devil’s Bargain": Fmr. President Clinton Apologizes for Trade Policies that Destroyed Haitian Rice Farming
...Last month he publicly apologized for forcing Haiti to drop tariffs on imported subsidized US rice during his time in office. The policy wiped out Haitian rice farming and seriously damaged Haiti’s ability to be self-sufficient. Well, Clinton apologized at a hearing last month before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
BILL CLINTON: Since 1981, the United States has followed a policy, until the last year or so when we started rethinking it, that we rich countries that produce a lot of food should sell it to poor countries and relieve them of the burden of producing their own food, so, thank goodness, they can leap directly into the industrial era. It has not worked. It may have been good for some of my farmers in Arkansas, but it has not worked. It was a mistake. It was a mistake that I was a party to....
Tyson has connections to Monsanto and Walmart through the Rose Law Firm which is directly linked to…Mr. and Mrs. Bill Clinton. ...
President Clinton has some interesting political affiliations with Monsanto that I was not aware of.
* As President, Clinton put Monsanto executives in at the FDA, as US Agricultural Trade Representatives, and on International Biotechnology Consultive Forums to name a few.
* “‘Rural Americans for Hillary,’ an advocacy organization for Mrs. Clinton were Monsanto’s lobbyists. Her former-employer, Rose Law Firm, represent Monsanto, the world’s largest GE (GE - genetic engineering) corporation; Tyson, world’s largest meat producer; and Walmart, the world’s largest retailer.”
* Rose Law Firm which has ties to Bill and Hillary Clinton has other connections: “Jon Jacoby, senior at the Stephens Group - one of the largest shareholders of Tyson, Walmart, DP&L - is C.O.B. of DP&L and arranged the Wal-Mart deal. Jackson Stephens’ Group staked Walton and financed Tyson. Monsanto bought DP&L and Walmart’s board invited Hillary on while Tyson executives helped her do a $100,000 trade just before Bill’ governorship. Jackson Stephens then backed Bill for Governor, and later President (donating $100,000).”
* In office, President Clinton along with his newly appointed USDA officials immediately “weakened chicken waste contamination standards, easing Tyson’s poultry-factory expansion.” As mentioned, Tyson has connections to Monsanto and Walmart through the Rose Law Firm which is directly linked to…Mr. and Mrs. Bill Clinton. With Tyson now supported by the Clinton FDA, the following took place.
1. Monsanto people were put in charge of food.
2. FDA okayed Monsanto’s rBGH (bovine growth hormone), first GE-product ever approved.
3. Despite bovine illness/death, FDA didn’t recall or warn the public.
4. When dairymen labeled milk “rBGH-free,” the USDA threatened confiscation.
5. Organic food was the last way around unknown danger. FDA tried to close that escape with new “organic” standards, to include: genetic engineering of plants/animals, food irradiation, sewage sludge fertilizer.
* DP&L’s “terminator genes” (now Monsanto’s) which prevent seeds from “working” after only one season cause farmers to repurchase new seeds rather than replant them or face lawsuits from Monsanto for “copyright infringement.” These are some of the deceptive tactics used by Monsanto that I was referring to in my commitment that ensnare uneducated Indian farmers causing massive debt and suicide as the only means of escape. These terminator genes were allowed to go into production during the Clinton administration.
* Monsanto employs child labor.
These are only some of the more direct initiatives with which Mr. Clinton and Monsanto have shared sponsorship.
BUT I DO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THERE IS A RISK, EVEN A SMALL ONE, TO MYSELF AND MY FAMILY. So if anything happens I can't blame anyone but myself. I feel sorry for these people who get arrested but they know what the law is even before they sold thier first cheese log or Milk jug. That was thier choice.
• Any evidence of "interstate transportation" (so they can charge these people with felony FEDERAL crimes). • All membership agreements of their current members (customers); this way they can intimidate customers, too. • Documents concerning the Right To Choose Healthy Foods (RTCHF) organization, which fights for food freedom at www.RawMilk.org (the government is going after these advocacy groups, too, with their terrorist tactics). • All tax records (so they can try to find some tax error and then charge them with federal tax fraud). • All real estate transactions, billing records, purchasing records and club records. • All emails, receipts, cash register data, credit cards receipts, inventory records and so on. • All computers and electronic devices. The warrant shows that government terrorists stole both Dell and Apple computers from Rawesome. • All address books, telephone numbers, contacts, client lists, business cards, etc. This is so the government terrorists can contact Rawesome Foods customers and then conduct illegal raids on their homes for buying "contraband" raw milk. Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...
Law enforcement demanded that all customers (members) of the store vacate the premises, then they demanded to know how much cash James had at the store. Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...
James was handcuffed, was never read his rights and was stuffed into an unmarked car. While agents said they would leave behind a warrant, no one has yet had any opportunity to even see if such a warrant exists or if it is a complete warrant. Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...
Law enforcement has demanded that if he comes up with the money to cover bail, he must disclose to them all the sources of that money. (This is an illegal demand!) Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...
Thanks....So there were selling the raw food products without the necessary licenses and permits needed to sell to non members. That clears it up a little.
Seems a little heavy handed way of handling it. Did the authorities try to contact the Farm about seeking the correct permits and licenses or did they take the "bash the door down" route. I wonder how much manpower and labor dollars were spent on this whole 12 month long investigation? Just seems a whole lot of effort to shut down one Farm, that could have been spent elsewhere "protecting" more people. Just my two cents.
.... Ignorance about the law’s broad reach (and how it will be construed by the courts) has thwarted opposition to the bill, which will likely pass Congress. For example, a newspaper claims the bill “doesn’t regulate home gardens.” The newspaper probably assumed that was true because the bill, like most federal laws, only purports to reach activities that affect “interstate commerce.” To an uninformed layperson or journalist, that “sounds as if it might not reach local and mom-and-pop operators at all.” (The bill’s sponsor, Rep. Rosa DeLauro, has sought to forestall opposition to her bill by falsely claiming that that “the Constitution’s commerce clause prevents the federal government from regulating commerce that doesn’t cross state lines.”)
But lawyers familiar with our capricious legal system know better. The Supreme Court ruled in Wickard v. Filburn (1942) that even home gardens (in that case, a farmer’s growing wheat for his own consumption) are subject to federal laws that regulate interstate commerce.Economists and scholars have criticized this decision, but it continues to be cited and followed in Supreme Court rulings, such as those applying federal anti-drug laws to consumption of even home-grown medical marijuana. Indeed, many court decisions allow Congress to define as “interstate commerce” even non-commercial. conduct that doesn’t cross state lines — something directly at odds with Rep. DeLauro’s claims. www.examiner.com...
If you drink raw milk from cows in megafarms pumped full of antibiotics then yes, that is not safe. Raw milk from organic farms is healthier than pasteurized milk from non-organic farms. I know, I grew up on raw milk. And that is a fact.
Originally posted by dave0davidson
reply to post by jdub297
Wow this is just crazy. I was trying to learn more about what charges were filed against them, and I dug up a copy of the warrant to search rawsome foods. Check out the items they were looking for in the raid. It seems like the feds were more interested in getting lists of members, and lists of people who advocate raw dairy than they were about the actual milk.
Link to warrant