House panel approves bill forcing ISPs to log users' web history

House panel approves bill forcing ISPs to log users' web history

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CNET reported the bill would require ISPs to retain customers' names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, bank account numbers, and temporarily-assigned IP addresses for 12 months.

The bill passed by a vote of 19 to 10, and is aimed at helping law enforcement track down pedophiles

"This is not protecting children from Internet pornography. It's creating a database for everybody in this country for a lot of other purposes."

The data retention mandate in this bill would treat e

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Sounds like HR 1984
Big Brother all the way
This is a big loss, this just plains sucks

This is why bipartisanship is NEVER for the people, well neither is no bipartisanship but bipartisanship is always sold as for the people.

The only way to catch pedos is treating everyone like a criminal
Guilty until proven innocent, unless you are a govt. official then there is no chance for accountability.

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I warned on this. Not only will it catch Pedophiles, but it will also catch those who questions any information given out by the Governments or the PTB.

Welcome to the world of censorship of the internet.

I shall be re-quoting myself from another thread about a certain internet company

They know whats best for us, to protect us from the pedophile next door. I hope people do realize that almost all our rights of privacy are being violated in the name of protection. 1984.

And now this. sad times to come i'm afraid.

I also would think this is gonna hurt a few businesses, whose customers rely on privacy.

There is a certain amount of rage welling up at the moment....

I suppose oppossing such a bill would of course label any dissenters as 'soft on child porn' or some other such political theater drivelry.

Funny that with all the massive amount of effort the legislature seems to be pouring into the law enforcement effort to stem the ostensible upsurge in child pornography, they seem to not make a dent in it.

Also, it seems quite disturbing that it is not clear what "contracted" service of the government will gain access to the data once collected. I can no longer suspend my disbelief enough to assume that this is all 'good.'

I am absolutely furious.
This is E-Tyranny at quite a scary level.
If this is what's going down now think of what the net will be like in 2 years or so..




We want Government not Gestapo.

reply to post by Maxmars


Every person reacts on 2 things ,may it be a stupid person or a very smart one

- Pedophiles

- Children being murdered

Those are the snap points, this is manipulation; the idea that a child's life is more worth then a normal life is absurd.
This is how they can justify every violation of privacy.

Any idea on when this new bill will take effect?
I did not see any dates given in the article just that it was voted on July 27th.
I assumed that they were already doing this, is this just a way to make what they are already doing official, or am I incorrect that ISP’s were not already doing this.

I have been on ATS for about a year now and I have to say that even being someone that is "new" it appears that our freedoms are systematically being taken away at a faster and faster pace. I mean every single day we give up a small piece of freedom in the name of safety. When is it going to become THE PARENTS job to protect their children?? When will we realize that the government is NEVER going to replace your good judgement? This is the typical American's response to fear since 911. The average person can't even use their rational mind anymore. They just sit and wait to be told what to be afraid of next. People you can serve on your knees or die on your feet which will it be!?

I'm confused here.

So the ISP logs info about Joey Pervo being sent some naked kid picture and that stops the psycho couple down the block from raping their kids friends or that nutty cop woman from spanking those two kids all BDSMy or an entire school of kids from "sexting" to each other?

Seems like an overkill measure that will ultimately do nothing to affect the issue that is the excuse for the measure.

Yup, typical government.

It's kind of like if we lock up pot head Janey that will somehow take down a Colombian coc aine cartel. Makes sense to somebody.

Originally posted by Cyanhide
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Every person reacts on 2 things ,may it be a stupid person or a very smart one

- Pedophiles

- Children being murdered

Those are the snap points, this is manipulation; the idea that a child's life is more worth then a normal life is absurd.
This is how they can justify every violation of privacy.

I think you can all thank Anonymous and luzsec even though they won't admit it.

I love that they have time to spend on internet related security, but hard hitting problems such as nuclear plant issues and the likes are brushed to the wayside.

I understand that child pornography and pedophiles are a big issue, but Johnny sitting in his moms basement watching pornography not knowing the girl in the video he is watching is underage is not the issue, it would be the ones video taping the girls that is the issue and it is the ones who are stalking young girls on the internet pretending to be someone else, trying to meet the young girls and then raping them.

Yet Johnny, will the one being arrested and tried as a pedophile, woohoo! our system works.

I wonder what other laws are being passed while the 'debt crisis' negotiations are 'distracting' the public!?

st.

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Lets not blame anonymous,its a tricky subject I agree,however can you blame the majority of ddos attackers which are people who don't know the hidden agenda,but who really believe they are fighting for a better internet. Well in this case the old free safe haven the internet was.

Ad-least they are doing something. Ad-least applause the fact some people are not ready to have their rights taken away.

Thanks to our troops for fighting for our right to pass this law!

(yeah - it goes both ways)

reply to post by AlienCarnage


I think you are actually right. It seems very likely that ISPs do this already, hence the legislation likely has another purpose; I suspect it is to penalize non-compliance with an order to reveal those records to a law enforcement body. And for good measure, the requirement to leave an open door to law enforcement that they may acces the information at will.

Presumably, if they can do a thing, as in routinely downloading the user logs of every ISP possible, they will. In fact, I wouldn't be tremendously surprised if they haven't already been doling it. The legislation just makes sure no one will get in a trouble for it, like the big Telecom companies almost did when they simply handed over the internet to the Feds who were searching for bin Laden on WOW or something. I say they 'almost' got in trouble because, if you recall, they were granted "retroactive" immunity from prosecution by our representatives... something which wrapped up my understanding of our loss of sovereignty, as far as I was concerned.

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Are you serious?

They were trying to find ways of censoring the Internet way before Anonymous became involved, So stop being flippant, in blaming Anonymous all the time.

Originally posted by TXRabbit
Thanks to our troops for fighting for our right to pass this law!

(yeah - it goes both ways)

It's not the troops fault. I'm sure, they don't want this law passed. The "troops" hands are tied, they signed up for a job and have to follow orders.

It's the government and private securities firms. And why House of Judiciary Committee would pass it, is beyond me.

Originally posted by Manhater

Originally posted by TXRabbit
Thanks to our troops for fighting for our right to pass this law!

(yeah - it goes both ways)

It's not the troops fault. I'm sure, they don't want this law passed. The "troops" hands are tied, they signed up for a job and have to follow orders.

It's the government and private securities firms. And why House of Judiciary Committee would pass it, is beyond me.

edit on 29-7-2011 by Manhater because: (no reason given)

Wouldn’t it be ironic if they were the first ones caught with questionable material on their computers, House of Judiciary Committee that is.

Just saying . . .