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House panel approves bill forcing ISPs to log users' web history

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posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 12:51 PM
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

Tor sucks, I have a mean firewall that blocks 60% of the computers in the world hopefully my isp is one of them but I doubt it since they track you straight to your router...they always track what you are doing there just going to be giving the info to other people now

posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 01:18 PM
So I ask a few questions. Perhaps someone more knowledgable than I can answer these.

How big of a file or database will it be to scan everybody's info 24/7/365? What if we just create useless traffic for them to record? Their systems will eventually fill up. TB's of data are cheap but when 1 billion people each create 1 TB+ of traffic per year, won't they run out of data space?

If someone creates a program to ramdomly scan internet sites (like google's bots do) and create excessive traffic that the ISP's will have to record, how will they be able to search a tremendously large DB for the needle in the haystack?

To avoid this nightmare, it seems that we all have to connect via VPN to an out-of-country server that will act as a proxy-server that will allow us to view what-ever site we choose. So it seems to me that our traffic to the VPN and back will still be visible, yet all other traffic after the VPN and proxy servers will be encrypted. My question is when the data comes back to our PC's from the VPN, it will be visible to the ISP's?

What if someone hacks into my secured wireless and does child-porn? Am I on the hook? What is my machine was taken over by a virus and Annonymous makes it go to places which will get me in trouble?

Last question. If I swap out my modem with my friend or distant relative who does not use the internet, the MAC address tracked will not be mine. So when they do a reverse lookup it will point to my friend or relative instead of pointing to me. Is that correct? If so, then I can see lots of people trading modems on eBay.

I bet they are doing this to catch hackers like Annonymous and LucSac (sp) related people. That must be the real reason.


ETA: Doesn't Carnivore already do this???

edit on 30-7-2011 by EyesII because: I was Carnivous. So I edited my post!

edit on 30-7-2011 by EyesII because: Can't spell.

posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 01:26 PM

Originally posted by EyesII
I bet they are doing this to catch hackers like Annonymous and LucSac (sp) related people. That must be the real reason.

I'll bet not. They aren't going to catch any real fish that way, and they certainly know that.

posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 01:43 PM
reply to post by EyesII

They'll keep track of the date and times for each ip address that was assigned to you. So it doesn't matter what MAC address your modem has or which computer you were using. Also some ISPs lock down your access based on the cable modems MAC. So if you get a different cable modem, chances are you'll no longer be able to get online, and you'll have to call them up and give them the new MAC address.

Most likely your ISP won't be storing what you're doing and where you're going, the individual sites still do that. The only real way to prevent snooping is using an encrypted proxy outside US jurisdiction. That way all they'll see is a bunch of junk going to your IP address.

Perhaps it's time all sites started using SSL encryption to prevent snooping...

Edit: If your wireless is hacked, then it'll look like it's coming from you. So your only hope for defense will be if you were at work or in a different state at the time it occurred.
edit on 30-7-2011 by SilentNoise because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 01:49 PM
reply to post by ModernAcademia

To pass this is to blatently ignore personal freedoms! I would think this falls under the same lines as wiretapping. Its still a conversation being monitored without disgression even if its one computer communicating with another. The ramifications of this could be immense. In theory, one could be segregated based off the websites we visit. Imagine not being hired for a job because your pre-employment background check comes back as "national security threat" just because you posted a thread on this site. Gov. claims this will be to track pedofiles...just like the wiretapping was to track terrorists. Its disgusting how close we are to a militarized industrial complex.

"Land of the free"? Yeah, only if you do exatcly as your government tells you, and you abandon all confidentiality.

posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 01:52 PM
In the interests of transparency in the federal government, we need a bill that requires ISPs to publish and make freely accessible to anyone who wants to look, the web history of every politician, governor, senator, congress-person, department head, military line-of-authority holder, member and employee of the FED CFR, and lobbyist, Add to the list. I'm sure we'd find lots of juicy web activity.

posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 02:13 PM

The bill passed by a vote of 19 to 10, and is aimed at helping law enforcement track down pedophiles

This is obviously a fear tactic / excuse used to take control of the net. I am not surprised they would go so low as to using children to mask their sinister schemes.

But hey, all they are doing is adding fuel to a fire of a very angry crowd.

posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 02:21 PM
I just read this from Russia Today.
[EDIT: News article]

As an European / Finnish, I think this is happening because of the majority of the people reading OP is doing nothing about this, OR just commenting here about their disapproval.

YOU are the USA. You can make the change. at least print flyers, or share your thoughts with a passer-by about the situation! DO SOMETHING, it's up to YOU and in the end, all this is happening because you as an American didn't care enough about the freedom, liberty and democracy.

edit on 30/7/2011 by ADEzor because: Added a reference link for the first paragraph

posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 07:56 PM
reply to post by Maxmars

Funny that with all the massive amount of effort the legislature seems to be pouring into the law enforcement effort to stem the ostensible upsurge in child pornography, they seem to not make a dent in it.

They also don't care about it either. Seriously try it. Report a pedophile to the police. Don't don't give a flying fudge muffin.

It's insane.

posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 08:52 PM
How useless is this... even I can use a series of proxy's and routes to confuse an ISP, and the real people to worry about would be much better than me at this type of internet history hiding. All this bill will do, is allow the government to keep tabs on your average Joe who doesn't know how to hide themselves properly from the government internets peeping toms.
edit on 30-7-2011 by puzzlesphere because: spelling error

posted on Aug, 1 2011 @ 10:59 PM
I'd also imagine that them saying the are "going" to do this probably means they already are. Wee... Fun fun.. It is a pure act of evil but evil never stopped man.

posted on Aug, 3 2011 @ 06:33 PM

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by Kinaro
This is an outrage. When are they going to stop trampling over our constitutional rights, and more importantly, how much longer are we the people going to put up with it?

Using the internet is not a right but a privilege. Alot of people get rights and privileges mixed up.

Having your personal stuff safe from random government intrusion and inspection is a RIGHT. 4th Amendment - look it up.

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