The Holy Spirit is my Proof

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
In the church I attend it's the same, whenever the Spirit prophesies in tongues it's through random people, but the pastor always pauses after it and asks for interpretation and it's usually the same woman who interprets.

Man, that woman really gets around lol

Seriously though – I know what you mean, and I forgot to mention that the guy who prayed in tongues on stage, was prophesying for the whole Church and it’s members. And I think the woman volunteered, after being in prayer herself, but it was well known in the Church, that she could interpret tongues.


- JC

reply to post by Mividau

Originally posted by Mividau
See that I believe. One speaking in and one to interperat.
But I also know their is the false ones out there too.

The guy speaking in tounges GOD gave a stamp of truth on with the interpration.
Which is very rare. He gave you a way to test it.
Thats who you can tell is from GOD or not. He doesnt get offended if you test them.
He tells us to do so.

I didn’t even know there were false ones. I only just found out about the “counterfeit spirit” after reading the “The Secret book of John” last week.

There is of course that whole debate about how tongues are supposed to be only for speaking in foreign languages, that you have never learned or spoken before. Although I have often wondered, that if one guy was speaking in tongues and both of them could interpret tongues and speak in tongues, then it wouldn’t matter what languages they both spoke, because each would be hearing it, in his own language.

Originally posted by Mividau
Thxs For the reply. BTW what did he say.

Something like, Alamanda AlamaCooshda la balabooshka da Chandelier LOL… nah, just kidding…

Please don’t interpret that lol

I think you meant to ask about what the woman said….

It was quite a few years ago now, but I think she mentioned something about how God was going to help the Church with starting a new revival and there were a few words for specific people who were long time members of the Church. Sorry, it’s pretty hazy, cant remember all the details.


- JC

reply to post by NOTurTypical

No, refusing to embrace sinless perfection is not "giving a license to sin".

You have no limit to the amount of sin permissible, that is a long way, meaning not even close, as in an infinite distance, from the idea of "sinless perfection" (your words and not mine, and another example of your deception). According to your philosophy, not one single step away from sin and towards holiness is required or demanded for salvation, thus giving license to sin as much as one wants, seeing it is unconditional salvation (according to this philosophy).

It's merely acknowledging that while we are trapped in our flesh we will make mistakes from time to time.

No, it's not, and again, this is another example of your deception. They are not the same thing. To start with, I did not say perfection because I know only God is perfect. That is one deception. Saying not embracing perfection is the same thing as acknowledging we make mistakes is your second deception because there is no way that this could be true. You deny that we can be holy, at all. So you are just talking about imagined degrees of sinfulness.

Living is sin without conviction is a good indication that we don't have saving faith or the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

I hope you do not mean"living is sin" and will take this as a typo and that you meant, "living in sin". So, to understand you, not having a conviction of being sinful is an indication of having no Spirit, or saving faith. Oh, so are you now saying there are conditions for salvation? That condition is feeling sinful, so I guess the more sinful you feel, then the more you know you are saved. Hmm very interesting nice way to deceive people in accepting their not having been converted. They still feel sinful and they are told that this is normal and actually a good thing. I never said anyone should ever feel like they have no sin, I am saying they need to examine themselves constantly to see what they are doing which is not right, and to stop doing what that is but it is a never ending process. To think you have reached a state of perfection first of all would probably be a result of some type of insanity, and it would get you by not noticing new sins coming up, after you stopped doing an old sin. Like I say, the struggle is not over untill we are standing on the sea of glass.

The Greek signifies a continuing willful practice of sin, not random mistakes.

You need to show me that.

reply to post by Mividau

The love doth never fail. . .

Good one.
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never ends. But if there are prophecies, they will be set aside; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be set aside.
A bit further, and the conclusion to the passage, says;

"And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love."

What you do trumps what you think and say, is what I think, what helps someone other than yourself.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Christ was an otherwise "normal" person? No, Jesus Christ is God Almighty who added humanity to His divinity.

Another one to add to my list of basic doctrines of the sect. I only listed three earlier, rapture, world hegemony by Zionist Jews, unconditional salvation. Now, Jesus as God Almighty. Now I see how that fits into the false prophet philosophy. Well now you are giving me an education on this religion which brings about Armageddon. I've wondered why this was so important to them and now I know, to create legitimacy for lack of morality. What a clever deception. Jesus was not one of us so we can never be like Jesus, so no need to ever think you can put away your sins. Satan loves that.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Deception, yes because I use the correct term for "grace". Unmerited favor. A gift. Apparently who you give people gifts they need to earn them from you. Jesus is God in the flesh, He was killed for blasphemy, and resurrected Himself to prove His divinity.

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” John 10:18


I believe He is who He said He was. No one in this conversation is being deceptive other than yourself, you consistently twist what I say and believe to suit your agenda. People burn down straw men when they cannot attack the actual position itself. It's quite telling, both of your lack of scripture to defend against my actual position, and your integrity. You'll lie about someone to try and make a point. It's quite childish JM.

Originally posted by Joecroft
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
In the church I attend it's the same, whenever the Spirit prophesies in tongues it's through random people, but the pastor always pauses after it and asks for interpretation and it's usually the same woman who interprets.

Man, that woman really gets around lol

Seriously though – I know what you mean, and I forgot to mention that the guy who prayed in tongues on stage, was prophesying for the whole Church and it’s members. And I think the woman volunteered, after being in prayer herself, but it was well known in the Church, that she could interpret tongues.


- JC

It's very cool, it definitely edifies the church. I just wish it happened more often, usually only 2 -3 times the whole year.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

. . .to prove His divinity. . .

Really, you think god proves himself? The words of the devil, I say. The one who told Jesus, "if you are truly the Son of God, make these rocks turn into bread."

reply to post by Cor Leonis


Star and Flag my Brother

it only takes faith of a mustard seed nurture it feed it on the word and knowledge of GODs words and it will grow


King James 1611 version

Gifts of the Spirit

[12:1] Now concerning spiritual [gifts,] brethren, I would
not have you ignorant. [12:2] Ye know that ye were
Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye
were led. [12:3] Wherefore I give you to understand, that
no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus
accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord,
but by the Holy Ghost. [12:4] Now there are diversities of
gifts, but the same Spirit. [12:5] And there are differences
of administrations, but the same Lord. [12:6] And there are
diversities of operations, but it is the same God which
worketh all in all. [12:7] But the manifestation of the Spirit
is given to every man to profit withal. [12:8] For to one is
given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word
of knowledge by the same Spirit; [12:9] To another faith by
the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same
Spirit; [12:10] To another the working of miracles; to
another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to
another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the
interpretation of tongues: [12:11] But all these worketh that
one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally
as he will. [12:12] For as the body is one, and hath many
members, and all the members of that one body, being
many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. [12:13] For by one
Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be]
Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have
been all made to drink into one Spirit. [12:14] For the body
is not one member, but many. [12:15] If the foot shall say,
Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it
therefore not of the body? [12:16] And if the ear shall say,
Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it
therefore not of the body? [12:17] If the whole body [were]
an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were]
hearing, where [were] the smelling? [12:18] But now hath
God set the members every one of them in the body, as it
hath pleased him. [12:19] And if they were all one
member, where [were] the body? [12:20] But now [are
they] many members, yet but one body. [12:21] And the
eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor
again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. [12:22]
Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to
be more feeble, are necessary: [12:23] And those
[members] of the body, which we think to be less
honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour;
and our uncomely [parts] have more abundant comeliness.
[12:24] For our comely [parts] have no need: but God hath
tempered the body together, having given more abundant
honour to that [part] which lacked: [12:25] That there
should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members
should have the same care one for another. [12:26] And
whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it;
or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
[12:27] Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in
particular. [12:28] And God hath set some in the church,
first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after
that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments,
diversities of tongues. [12:29] [Are] all apostles? [are] all
prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles?
[12:30] Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with
tongues? do all interpret? [12:31] But covet earnestly the
best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
[13:1] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of
angels, and have not charity, I am become [as ]sounding
brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [13:2] And though I have [the
gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all
knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could
remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
[13:3] And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the
poor,] and though I give my body to be burned, and have
not charity, it profiteth me nothing. [13:4] Charity suffereth
long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not
itself, is not puffed up, [13:5] Doth not behave itself
unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked,
thinketh no evil; [13:6] Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but
rejoiceth in the truth; [13:7] Beareth all things, believeth all
things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. [13:8] Charity
never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall
fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether
[there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. [13:9] For we
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know in part, and we prophesy in part. [13:10] But when
that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall
be done away. [13:11] When I was a child, I spake as a
child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when
I became a man, I put away childish things. [13:12] For
now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:
now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am
known. [13:13] And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these
three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.
[14:1] Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts,]
but rather that ye may prophesy. [14:2] For he that
speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men,
but unto God: for no man understandeth [him;] howbeit in
the spirit he speaketh mysteries. [14:3] But he that
prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and
exhortation, and comfort. [14:4] He that speaketh in an
[unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth
edifieth the church. [14:5] I would that ye all spake with
tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he
that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except
he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. [14:6]
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues,
what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by
revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by
doctrine? [14:7] And even things without life giving sound,
whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the
sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
[14:8] For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall
prepare himself to the battle? [14:9] So likewise ye, except
ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how
shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the
air. [14:10] There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices
in the world, and none of them [is] without signification.
[14:11] Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I
shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that
speaketh [shall be] a barbarian unto me. [14:12] Even so
ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual [gifts,] seek that
ye may excel to the edifying of the church. [14:13]
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue
pray that he may interpret. [14:14] For if I pray in an
[unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding
is unfruitful. [14:15] What is it then? I will pray with the
spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will
sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding
also. [14:16] Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how
shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen
at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what
thou sayest? [14:17] For thou verily givest thanks well, but
the other is not edified. [14:18] I thank my God, I speak
with tongues more than ye all: [14:19] Yet in the church I
had rather speak five words with my understanding, that [by
my voice] I might teach others also, than ten thousand
words in an [unknown] tongue. [14:20] Brethren, be not
children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children,
but in understanding be men. [14:21] In the law it is
written, With [men of] other tongues and other lips will I
speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear
me, saith the Lord. [14:22] Wherefore tongues are for a
sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:
but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but
for them which believe. [14:23] If therefore the whole
church be come together into one place, and all speak with
tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or
unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? [14:24] But
if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or
[one] unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
[14:25] And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest;
and so falling down on [his] face he will worship God, and
report that God is in you of a truth. [14:26] How is it then,
brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a
psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath
an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
[14:27] If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it
be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course;
and let one interpret. [14:28] But if there be no interpreter,
let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to
himself, and to God. [14:29] Let the prophets speak two or
three, and let the other judge. [14:30] If [any thing] be
revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his
peace. [14:31] For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all
may learn, and all may be comforted. [14:32] And the
spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. [14:33]
For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in
all churches of the saints. [14:34] Let your women keep
silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to
speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as
also saith the law. [14:35] And if they will learn any thing,
let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for
women to speak in the church. [14:36] What? came the
word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
[14:37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or
spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write
unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [14:38] But if
any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. [14:39]
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to
speak with tongues. [14:40] Let all things be done decently
and in order.
[15:1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel
which I preached unto you, which also ye have received,
and wherein ye stand; [15:2] By which also ye are saved, if
ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye
have believed in vain. [15:3] For I delivered unto you first
of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for
our sins according to the scriptures; [15:4] And that he was
buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the
scriptures: [15:5] And that he was seen of Cephas, then of
the twelve: [15:6] After that, he was seen of above five
hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain
unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. [15:7] After
that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. [15:8]
And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of
due time. [15:9] For I am the least of the apostles, that am
not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the
church of God. [15:10] But by the grace of God I am what
I am: and his grace [which was bestowed] upon me was not
in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet
not I, but the grace of God which was with me. [15:11]
Therefore whether [it were] I or they, so we preach, and so
ye believed. [15:12] Now if Christ be preached that he rose
from the dead, how say some among you that there is no
resurrection of the dead? [15:13] But if there be no
resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: [15:14]
And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and
your faith [is] also vain. [15:15] Yea, and we are found
false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God
that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that
the dead rise not. [15:16] For if the dead rise not, then is
not Christ raised: [15:17] And if Christ be not raised, your
faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins. [15:18] Then they
also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. [15:19]
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men
most miserable. [15:20] But now is Christ risen from the
dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[15:21] For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also
the resurrection of the dead. [15:22] For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [15:23] But every
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man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they
that are Christ’s at his coming. [15:24] Then [cometh] the
end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and
all authority and power. [15:25] For he must reign, till he
hath put all enemies under his feet. [15:26] The last enemy
[that] shall be destroyed [is] death. [15:27] For he hath put
all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are
put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did
put all things under him. [15:28] And when all things shall
be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be
subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may
be all in all. [15:29] Else what shall they do which are
baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are
they then baptized for the dead? [15:30] And why stand we
in jeopardy every hour? [15:31] I protest by your rejoicing
which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. [15:32]
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at
Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us
eat and drink; for to morrow we die. [15:33] Be not
deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
[15:34] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have
not the knowledge of God: I speak [this] to your shame.
[15:35] But some [man] will say, How are the dead
raised up? and with what body do they come? [15:36]
[Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened,
except it die: [15:37] And that which thou sowest, thou
sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may
chance of wheat, or of some other [grain: ][15:38] But God
giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his
own body. [15:39] All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but
[there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts,
another of fishes, [and] another of birds. [15:40] [There
are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the
glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the
terrestrial [is] another. [15:41] [There is] one glory of the
sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the
stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.
[15:42] So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown
in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [15:43] It is sown
in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it
is raised in power: [15:44] It is sown a natural body; it is
raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is
a spiritual body. [15:45] And so it is written, The first man
Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a
quickening spirit. [15:46] Howbeit that [was] not first
which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward
that which is spiritual. [15:47] The first man [is] of the
earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.
[15:48] As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are
earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are
heavenly. [15:49] And as we have borne the image of the
earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
[15:50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood
cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption
inherit incorruption. [15:51] Behold, I shew you a mystery;
We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [15:52]
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [15:53] For this
corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must]
put on immortality. [15:54] So when this corruptible shall
have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on
immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is
written, Death is swallowed up in victory. [15:55] O death,
where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
[15:56] The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin
[is] the law. [15:57] But thanks [be] to God, which giveth
us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. [15:58]
Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmovable,
always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye
know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Receiving the Spirit

(JKV)

2 Chronicles 7:14

7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall
humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn
from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and
will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

(NIV)

2Ch. 7:14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble
themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their
wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive
their sin and will heal their land.

(KJV)

Philippians 4:6

4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and
supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made
known unto God.

(NIV)

Ph. 4:6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by
prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests
to God.


(KJV)

JOHN 1:12

1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power
to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his
name:

(NIV)

Jn. 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his
name, he gave the right to become children of God —


Fruit of The Spirit


(KJV)

EPHESIANS 5:18

5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be
filled with the Spirit;


(NIV)

Ep. 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery.
Instead, be filled with the Spirit.


Proof


(KJV)

Galatians 5:22-23

5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

(NIV)

Ga. 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience,
kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Ga. 5:23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no
law.



What the Holy Spirit Does


(KJV)

Acts 1:8

1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is
come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in
Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the
uttermost part of the earth.

(NIV)

Ac. 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on
you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all
Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”


(KJV)

5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be
filled with the Spirit;

(NIV)

Ep. 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery.
Instead, be filled with the Spirit.


(KJV)

Matthew 3:16

3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up
straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were
opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending
like a dove, and lighting upon him:

(NIV)

Mt. 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptised, he went up out of the water.
At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of
God descending like a dove and lighting on him.


John the Baptist was full of The Spirit



Mathew 23:15 & 33

(KJV)

23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for
ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when
he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell
than yourselves.

23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye
escape the damnation of hell?

(NIV)

Mt. 23:15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you
hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single
convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as
much a son of hell as you are.

Mt. 23:33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape
being condemned to hell?

(KJV)

EPHESIANS 5:18

5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be
filled with the Spirit;


(NIV)

Ep. 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery.
Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

John 14:27

(KJV)

14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot
receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but
ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


(NIV)

Jn. 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it
neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he
lives with you and will be [Some early manuscripts and is] in
you.

Faith is the best antidote to fear

reply to post by Joecroft

I didn’t even know there were false ones. I only just found out about the “counterfeit spirit” after reading the “The Secret book of John” last week.

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The fake ones never have the stamp by GOD. No interpritor, nor does the sheep or shepard ask.
Which I have only encountered the fake ones.

A friend told me about the Secret Book of John, where can I get it at?

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

. . .to prove His divinity. . .

Really, you think god proves himself? The words of the devil, I say. The one who told Jesus, "if you are truly the Son of God, make these rocks turn into bread."

"Proved His divinity" from the vantage point of those skeptical. Example: Thomas.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

Deception, yes because I use the correct term for "grace".

Unmerited favor. A gift. Apparently who you give people gifts they need to earn them from you. Jesus is God in the flesh, He was killed for blasphemy, and resurrected Himself to prove His divinity.

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” John 10:18

I believe He is who He said He was. No one in this conversation is being deceptive other than yourself, you consistently twist what I say and believe to suit your agenda. People burn down straw men when they cannot attack the actual position itself. It's quite telling, both of your lack of scripture to defend against my actual position, and your integrity. You'll lie about someone to try and make a point. It's quite childish JM.

Let me quote the passage.

This is why the Father loves me – because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again. No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

Jesus recognizes there is One above him from whom he receives his authority.
El Shaddai, is who you are claiming Jesus to be when you say, Jesus is God Almighty.
I don't see how you make the connection, unless it is from Revelation when John sees an angel looking like brass and fire and hair like wool, saying things in the name of Jesus and God. You are, to use your term, conflating the two, or you believe the angel was literally Jesus, which the text never says.
So you have this whole theology that Jesus is El Shaddai, by taking part of a verse out of context. Now I see why the creators of your sect's philosophy included that, and to destroy Christian morality by saying Jesus was El Shaddai and not a man (that we can not be like Jesus because he was God Almighty, and not a man like us). I will have to take back what I said earlier, and amend it to say, This IS the anti-christ religion And the False Prophet of Revelation.

Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

Deception, yes because I use the correct term for "grace".

Unmerited favor. A gift. Apparently who you give people gifts they need to earn them from you. Jesus is God in the flesh, He was killed for blasphemy, and resurrected Himself to prove His divinity.

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” John 10:18

I believe He is who He said He was. No one in this conversation is being deceptive other than yourself, you consistently twist what I say and believe to suit your agenda. People burn down straw men when they cannot attack the actual position itself. It's quite telling, both of your lack of scripture to defend against my actual position, and your integrity. You'll lie about someone to try and make a point. It's quite childish JM.

Let me quote the passage.

This is why the Father loves me – because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again. No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

Jesus recognizes there is One above him from whom he receives his authority.
El Shaddai, is who you are claiming Jesus to be when you say, Jesus is God Almighty.
I don't see how you make the connection, unless it is from Revelation when John sees an angel looking like brass and fire and hair like wool, saying things in the name of Jesus and God. You are, to use your term, conflating the two, or you believe the angel was literally Jesus, which the text never says.
So you have this whole theology that Jesus is El Shaddai, by taking part of a verse out of context. Now I see why the creators of your sect's philosophy included that, and to destroy Christian morality by saying Jesus was El Shaddai and not a man (that we can not be like Jesus because he was God Almighty, and not a man like us). I will have to take back what I said earlier, and amend it to say, This IS the anti-christ religion And the False Prophet of Revelation.

John details what the spirit of antichrist is: Someone who denies the deity of Jesus Christ and also denies the relationship between the Father and the Son. Islam does this. Jehovah's Witnesses do this. Mormons do this. THE antichrist (hu antiristos), personal pronoun specific, is a man who will exhalt himself above anything called God. He will exhalt himself above, YHWH, Jesus, Allah, anything, meaning he will have a world religion created to worship him as God. And he will sit in the temple of God, claim to be God, and demand worship as God. A modern-day King Nebuchadnezzar. His false prophet will erect an image for the world to worship. Lastly, "ante" in Greek means "in place of", not "against/opposite".

"El Shaddai" is a title, not a proper name, one of dozens of titles the Word uses for God. Jesus is the Son, He's not the Father, yet the Son and the Father are equal. Equality doesn't mean sameness. You're the "revelation expert" so why do you not know there are numerous descriptions/titles Jesus uses in Revelation chapter 1 that are used for Him somewhere in the remainder of the book, either overtly or subtly.


"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." ~ Revelation 1:8


"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last....

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." ~ Revelation 22:13-16


Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty, the LORD.

reply to post by NOTurTypical
This is remakable, how you argue all around the subject of the antichrist and never quote a verse or even refer to its main point, but in accordence with the deception of the anti-christ religion.

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." ~ Revelation 1:8
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last....
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." ~ Revelation 22:13-16
Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty, the LORD.

Right in the midst of all this is what we need to look at to see who Jesus was, The offspring of David. He was completely human. He may have been god in a former life, but he found himself in this life, being a man and humbled himself accordingly.
Jesus as a man lived a sinless life according to the fundamental law which is the law he gives to us through the Spirit. Jesus now sits on the right hand of the Father in Heaven and could not do that without being glorified, whatever that means exactly and not something we can fully understand untill we are glorified ourselves. "Christ in us, the hope of glory", means we can be of that same Spirit that Jesus had and also we will be glorified as he was. When you say he had an advantage over us, then you nullify the Spirit and then promote immorality, which is what antichrist wants, so it can do its work in the world unopposed.
As for the verses, anyone can look them up and read them yourself and don't need me to explain them.
Ask God if you should separate yourself from Jesus.

reply to post by jmdewey60

promote immorality

I'm done talking to you, you repeatedly lie about what I say, even after I've corrected you quite a few times. You're a liar JM, you can't win an argument without resorting to lying about your opponent? How pathetic is that? Have a good life.

reply to post by WeAreNothingWithoutGOD


Great reply WeAre.
Thanks for the online sermon and allowing GODs word to speak for itself.
Have you seen the real and fake tounges??

LOTZA LUV

reply to post by Mividau

Originally posted by Mividau
The fake ones never have the stamp by GOD. No interpritor, nor does the sheep or shepard ask.
Which I have only encountered the fake ones.

A friend told me about the Secret Book of John, where can I get it at?

You can find an introduction to the text online here Introduction - The Secret Book of John and if you scroll about half way down, you will find 2 links, where you can choose to read either the short version or the long version.


- JC

reply to post by NOTurTypical

John details what the spirit of antichrist is: Someone who denies the deity of Jesus Christ and also denies the relationship between the Father and the Son. Islam does this. Jehovah's Witnesses do this. Mormons do this. THE antichrist (hu antiristos), personal pronoun specific, is a man who will exhalt himself above anything called God. He will exhalt himself above, YHWH, Jesus, Allah, anything, meaning he will have a world religion created to worship him as God. And he will sit in the temple of God, claim to be God, and demand worship as God. A modern-day King Nebuchadnezzar. His false prophet will erect an image for the world to worship. Lastly, "ante" in Greek means "in place of", not "against/opposite".

1JN 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son.

Islam does not deny Jesus Christ son of Mary. Jehovah's Witness do not deny Jesus Christ I don't care what Mormons say, it's just an American born religion which is American nationalist.

This blasphemer you mention sitting on a throne claims to be god (see definition of blasphemy), is never called antichrist, most likely a "Christian" since the epistle of John says they "went out from among us". Anti does mean against in the quite physical sense of a rake leaning against a shed. Antichrist then is the leaner against christ, such is christianity "leaning on Jesus".

So, I conclude then: If you came to a throne, and saw two men sitting on it, identical in appearance, then you would ask "which of you is God?" You then would go with the one who raised his hand? Isn't that the blashemer that you would be picking?

reply to post by NOTurTypical
I did not say that about you directly, at least in that post.
I'm trying to not make my war against the false Prophet religion of the beast, against you personally so I am keeping the personal stuff to what you do yourself, as in how you formulate things to fit your objective, in your posts. For all I know, you may not be the ringleader of this religion and just another one of the duped masses.
As to your latest post, I was saying this is the goal of the people who created this false religion, to destroy Christian Morality. I did not word it to specify who I meant but I was saying , "When you say he had an advantage over us, then you nullify the Spirit and then promote immorality, which is what antichrist wants, so it can do its work in the world unopposed." I meant it in a general way. If I meant you, personally, I would have tried to make that understood. You just seem to be wanting something to jump on so you can play the victim. "Oh poor me, that mean old JM just wants to hurt me for no reason." I'm trying to focus my attacks on this philosophy and if you do not want personal criticism, write your posts in a less deceptive manner, as in showing a verse and not just alluding to there being a verse out there somewhere. Quoting an entire verse and not just a few words from it. Show the context where the verse was picked from. Indicate if the writer was just quoting from the OT to talk about how some prophecy was fulfilled, instead of ignoring that aspect of it and creating a new interpretation of OT prophecy. Don't switch verses, from one that you interpret figuratively, for one that you take literally, then claim you only read verses literally and accuse me of hating "literalists". I get annoyed at people who claim they are when they are nothing of the sort. If you want to think I am calling you a liar, that's your choice and interpretation.

reply to post by pthena


I didn't say they deny Jesus Christ. I said they deny "the divinity" of Jesus Christ. Which they all do.