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The redemption is of all mankind, from the bondage of what is signified by the old system of the Law, which offered mainly death. How this redemption manifests itself is through a new system of Law which offers life.
Who said salvation came from the person making the claim?? Salvation comes through the life, death, and resurrection of the Son of God. Available to all who believe and ask for forgiveness. He redeemed us, we didn't redeem ourselves.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You cease being a Christian by adopting a philosophy which is a human invention meant to destroy Christianity by infiltrating it and subverting it by teaching against the truths presented by Jesus that salvation does not come from a person making the claim that they are saved.
*Sigh* Here we go again, judging my salvation in Christ.
The vultures who hang around on the limbs here on this Forum called "Religion, Faith and Theology, eating the flesh of those who bring something positive for all to benefit will surely taste judgement themselves unless they repent.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Mividau
I did a google search just now on this slogan NOTurTypical used in one of his last couple posts and the number one hit was guess who. My point being, Anyone in the world could think of this little slogan and wonder, "Oh I wonder if this is real", so they google it and think, "Oh here is this guy who seems like a Christian saying it is real, so, ok I guess I should believe it."
The cast the first stone saying might not have been said if the woman was standing in the square proclaiming how great it is to commit adultery.
So he has elevated his platform to prophet of a new theology.
That is why I am hard on him.
He says stuff that if you search, it is him, being the originator.
I can't just sit here. Read the rest of what I was quoting from acts, he says I will be blameless for your blood. Why, because of how hard he worked to warn them of the wolves.
edit on 4-8-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Someone can not declare something which is not their own. By belief (meaning you can believe it is true), you can claim it but that is just inside your own mind. That is what gives you hope. But in the actual event, at the point of a decision being made about which way you go in the next life, it is you being hidden in Christ. Jesus decides who will be of his body. Claiming anything yourself is of no use, it has to be Jesus claiming you as his own.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jmdewey60
I'll stick with what Jesus said in John 6. I'm saved by grace through my faith. I have the same gifted righteousness of the apostles, Jesus' righteousness. I'll declare His righteousness when I am judged. You can declare whatever you want to. But as for me, my faith is in what Christ did for me. And I'll strive all my days to follow in His footsteps and to keep His precepts by the conviction and guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Originally posted by Cor Leonis
reply to post by Mividau
God's richest blessings to you and yours! Keep looking up sis! Your redemption is drawing near. If you are like me, I believe Jesus' return is near. Nearer than what any of us really know. A person really has to be spiritually blind to not see this tremendous truth. I thank God for His mercy and grace, without it none of us would be saved. Thank God for His son Jesus Christ and his pure blood he shed for you and me. His blood has cleansed us from all our sins. Thank God for the second Adam!
Originally posted by jmdewey60
Fierce Wolves
Paul was saying farewell to the people of Ephesus
Somehow, according to this philosophy the Bible warns us against, a person is just given a righteousness without actually practicing it, I suppose to make sure they close every loophole that might send them to hell.
Seems to me that if they would work as hard at being righteous as they do figuring out how to get away with not being righteous, the world would be a better place.
I don't think about how people criticise it because it is always the nit picky stuff, at least it seems like it to me. SDA believe in a fundamental law, such as what Jesus talked about that run parallel to some of the OT, with the Ten Commandments being a good place to start when figuring out what they are. They don't think works save you but doing evil will condemn you. Sinning is considered a good indication of whether you are saved or not, so you need to check yourself to make sure you are not doing any. Something like being overburdensome to another person could be sinning even if you can't pick out one particular thing as being a sin, so it goes beyond what you could write a code for. Paul asks, if you are saved, then sin, are you asking Jesus to be crucified again? So there is no excuse for someone who believes in Jesus to sin. Well, if you ask, what can I do? The only thing to say is, stop sinning. Seems harsh but as far as I know it is the truth. Anyone who is righteous is because of Jesus whether they realize it or not. The world was a dark and evil place before and we are far removed from those times and don't realize how the wold is so much better than before Jesus and Jesus died for every single person in the world. Those who choose righteousness is where the Holy Spirit is.
Come on you're a 7th Day Advantest. You know how many people think that whole theology is BS.
Where in the bible does it say you can sin, period?
Secondly, who here has ever claimed we should not strive for holiness, or that we should reject the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit? Who ever said that? Who said we can continue to live in sin continually??? Who ever said we shouldn't strive to grow to maturity in Christ Jesus?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Where in the bible does it say you can sin, period?
Secondly, who here has ever claimed we should not strive for holiness, or that we should reject the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit? Who ever said that? Who said we can continue to live in sin continually??? Who ever said we shouldn't strive to grow to maturity in Christ Jesus?
Where does the Bible say we need only strive for holiness?
Where does the Bible say we don't need to be sanctified now?
I was doing some google searches for, where in the bible does anyone say "I know I am saved"?
I wonder if you can give me a quote somewhere in the NT where someone says that. I'm having a problem finding anything and suspect that people in the NT were not in the habit of ever saying something like that.
I wonder why it seems so popular to say that, now?
All that is nullified when you say there are no conditions on salvation.
Good God Almighty, it's like I'm talking to a brick wall. Who ever said we shouldn't strive to be as free from sin as we possibly can? Who said we should ignore the conviction of the Holy Spirit? Who said we can sit on our laurels and live the life we used to live before we were called from the darkness?? NO ONE in this thread did JM
Because you don't. Why do you think I said you would go in the fire? You make a mockery of the word. When I called you on it you just went deeper into your deception. You are doing the same thing now.
Don't condemn and hate me because I stand on the Word of God.
One might imagine from this that if you were to read that verse you would find something to back up your claim. Lets take a look.
We're gifted Christ's righteousness for justification. justification declares us righteous, we're not, we're just declared righteous. 2 Peter 1:1 says this.
From your commentary, I gather that you equate faith with righteousness. More philosophy. There are places where examples are given having to do with faith and righteousness of Abraham and I was reading one today on Noah, but they actually did things which was attributed to them having enough faith to carry out all these deeds, and that was counted as righteousness. What you are doing goes way beyond that and are completely abusing the word to make it say something completely different. That is why I say you are delusional, that is being kind. The alternative is you being on a par with the anti-christ which now I am being told is not nice to point out. You are making the claim that because someone says they believe in Jesus, they are now equal to the Apostles. You have made this claim more than once. But it is not equal faith you are interested in, according to what you are saying, it is this scheme you cooked up that says that this means we are all as righteous as the Apostles. Jesus prayed for his disciples (after Judas had already killed himself) that they would be preserved because they had become his glory. So, if we were equal to them, then we have our guarantee you want so badly. That just seems so demented to me.
From Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, have been granted a faith just as precious as ours.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Good God Almighty, it's like I'm talking to a brick wall. Who ever said we shouldn't strive to be as free from sin as we possibly can? Who said we should ignore the conviction of the Holy Spirit? Who said we can sit on our laurels and live the life we used to live before we were called from the darkness?? NO ONE in this thread did JM
All that is nullified when you say there are no conditions on salvation.
If there are no conditions, then you can sin, why not, you can't be lost, right.
Because you don't.
Why do you think I said you would go in the fire?
You make a mockery of the word. When I called you on it you just went deeper into your deception.
One might imagine from this that if you were to read that verse you would find something to back up your claim. Lets take a look.
"From Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, have been granted a faith just as precious as ours."
From your commentary, I gather that you equate faith with righteousness. More philosophy.
There are places where examples are given having to do with faith and righteousness of Abraham and I was reading one today on Noah, but they actually did things which was attributed to them having enough faith to carry out all these deeds, and that was counted as righteousness. What you are doing goes way beyond that and are completely abusing the word to make it say something completely different. That is why I say you are delusional, that is being kind.
The alternative is you being on a par with the anti-christ which now I am being told is not nice to point out. You are making the claim that because someone says they believe in Jesus, they are now equal to the Apostles.
You have made this claim more than once. But it is not equal faith you are interested in, according to what you are saying, it is this scheme you cooked up that says that this means we are all as righteous as the Apostles.
Jesus prayed for his disciples (after Judas had already killed himself) that they would be preserved because they had become his glory. So, if we were equal to them, then we have our guarantee you want so badly. That just seems so demented to me.