"...Europe has become a gateway for Islam."

Originally posted by mustangill
reply to post by jaamaan

 

I don't think he is talking about extremists, but true followers of the Islam Law. Islam Law has already made its way into America as I am sure everyone here has already heard?

Could you please tell me how exactly did islam law made its way into america ?
Because the way you phrase it now it sounds like islam law over rules the contitution and the law of the united states in some cases.
And i do not think that is the case.

reply to post by jaamaan


Google is your best friend. A little research and this is what I find:


Sharia Law in American Courts

and here is a sharia law study for you to read up on:
New Study Finds Shariah Law Involved in Court Cases in 23 States CSP
Washington, DC, May 17, 2011 - The Center for Security Policy today released an in-depth study-- Shariah Law and American State Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases. The study evaluates 50 appellate court cases from 23 states that involve conflicts between Shariah (Islamic law) and American state law. The analysis finds that Shariah has been applied or formally recognized in state court decisions, in conflict with the Constitution and state public policy.
Some commentators have tried to minimize this problem, claiming, as an editorial in yesterday’s Los Angeles Times put it that, “…There is scant evidence that American judges are resolving cases on the basis of shariah.” To the contrary, our study identified 50 significant cases just from the small sample of appellate court published cases.
Others have asserted with certainty that state court judges will always reject any foreign law, including Shariah law, when it conflicts with the Constitution or state public policy. The Center’s analysis, however, found 15 trial court cases, and 12 appellate court cases, where Shariah was found to be applicable in these particular cases.

I could find more for you if you need it? I didn't have to dig deep at all since I typed in the words Sharia law in America.

And for your convenience I have included the study HERE

reply to post by Bixxi3


"Multiculturalism has failed"

Multiculturalism has failed.....and the tragedy in Norway has just made it all the easier for the politicians to make people feel guilty about thinking negatively towards immigration and the ever erosion of their own culture.

(and there have been several threads already on here doing just that)

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Reply to post by jaamaan

 

I totally agree with you. Some of the replies to this thread are so full of hate and fear its ridiculous. Its almost like the Europeans are afraid that if the Muslim population ever came to power they would act the same exact way Europeans have in the past around the globe. I highly doubt it. Instead of addressing real problems with the system people just to point the finger at some obscure group....just like in america when people complain about welfare....they throw around statistics about how many minority groups use it when the majority of people on it are not part of any minority group...misinformed misplaced anger hate and fear....smh.

 

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They already have in Lebanon, it's not exactly comfortable for Christian's who live there.
They went from 75% majority (Christian) at the turn of the 20th Century to less than 25% minority!
Can you tell me that's a good thing for the Christian's who live in Lebanon??!
Get a grip man.
Look at Iran, used to be Persian, now it's Islamic Arab for the most part (the rulers being Arabic)

Originally posted by Bixxi3

Originally posted by Partygirl
You are brave to post this at such time! I like that.

I am concerned that the actions of a lone nut will have an impact on legitimate concerns about cultural preservation and immigration in Europe. The incident will be exploited by politicians.

edit on 24-7-2011 by Partygirl because: (no reason given)

Agreed
People need to get that even though what that guy did was wrong. He in a way was a valve releasing pressure on a overloaded system. More and more people are openly,or secretly, agreeing with his line of thinking. Something needs to be done. We have to preserve our culture and our history.

If Anders Behring Breivik blew up a building and an island, without killing innocent people, I personally think his argument would have a wider audience. Since he did end up killing kids, the message he is sending is very radical, destructive, and criminal.

Pretend for a moment that we were back in the 12th century. How would the world perceive him?

President Obama will be addressing the nation tonight, about the debt crises, will he also exploit this opportunity to turn the Republicans into terrorists?

UK and China have already called Republicans radical and crazy. Something just does not feel right.

reply to post by Section31


The left have been using this tragedy, as well as the Rupert Murdock incident to silence the right. You know Obama will use this crisis to his advantage.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Bixxi3

 

But you must also understand that much of the immigration to the UK came from our Colonies in India and pakistan and the west Indies. Most of the Muslims like much of the black community were born here in the UK. We required the immigrants to help build our country after the 2nd world war. The same war that so many from our colonies lost their lives in, to help Britain survive. Our country has needed the immigration to provide the wealth this nation has enjoyed. Also immigrants have generally been doing the jobs, many brits turned their noses up to.

Correct, but that immigration (1st wave) was intended as a 'guest worker' program that successive government's subverted into meaning 'family's as well', then 'indefinate stay' and passports. That was darn nice wasn't it?
That part was 'ok' until you see how it soon became more than just 'guest workers'...

They all had kids.
OOPS those do-gooding governments are so naive I guess they thought they'd just return home.
OOPS they didn't and so their numbers got bigger.
But that wasn't too bad considering what happened when the cold war ended.
The next buzz-word was 'asylum seekers' who certain marxist government's welcomed with open arms, knowing that today's asylum seekers will be tomorrows voters for them!

Yep the gateway's well and truly in place now folks...

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by Section31

 

The left have been using this tragedy, as well as the Rupert Murdock incident to silence the right. You know Obama will use this crisis to his advantage.

I am worried about the potential of a world wide 'crusade against all alternative' mindsets.

Speculating:
People with alternative views of the world may no longer be tolerated; thus, the movement that lead to 'question authority' in the 60s could be over. Even though you may not be a Republican, you are still not allow to speak your mind. Fallout from this one event has the potential to do some serious damage.

We already have Democrats saying, "If you disagree with our methods, you are a racist, hater, or insurrectionist." MSNBC is already using this event to persuade people that 'all conservatives' and 'Christians' are extremists and terrorists.

Technically, the socialist driven aspects of the world can use this event, so they can declare a global war on 'alternative' perspectives. Not just Republican mindsets, but everyone who questions their authority.

While they blame this guy for communist perceptions, the media, Progressives, and Democrats can use this event to dictate how people should behave. "Do as I say, or else..."

Let us see what happens. Let us see what the US President says tonight.

Hopefully he will talk about exercising some tolerance.

reply to post by Bixxi3


Multiculturalism is not a bad thing and neither is immigration. However, one possible cause of multiculturalism is immigration.

Colonialism is a very bad thing that often leads to immigration for the wrong reasons and thus multiculturalism for the wrong reasons (wage slavery, for starters). There is no colonial power on this planet who has not seen their former colonies export migrants:

Haitians, Algerians --> France
Jamaicans, Nigerians, Pakistanis, Indians --> England
Somalis, Albanians --> Italy
Guatemalans, Colombians, El Salvadorans, Moroccans --> Spain
Brazilians, Angolans --> Portugal

When we go to war, we also get migrants because when we go to war, we take sides in nascent conflicts, which means the faction or ethnic group we support seeks asylum when we lose or pull out. The most glaring example of colonialism is its present form: corporate imperialism. We've come to find out that a middle class lifestyle that props up corporate elitism does not work. Egalitarian lifestyle would work better I guess. When you have a ruling elite who makes money off of consumption, and the consumed products and services must be made by someone, but those who formerly were the makers are now only the consumers, you must import more makers to prop up the consumers so that you can continue your way of life at the top of the pyramid scheme.

Ergo: Mexicans --> US.

More people in the world are multicultural than not. More people in the world are bilingual than not. Homogeneity is not static and when you observe one moment in time you can make sweeping generalizations like "True Finns" and "The English". The reality is that on a continuum, there is not one person reporting in this forum who does not have mixed ancestry, it just depends on the depth in the time scale, that's all.

Example: What is an American? What is American culture? There is no solidifying characteristic of America...yet.

Originally posted by jaamaan

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
reply to post by jaamaan

 

So when polls show 80% of Egyptians want stoning for adultery and death for apostasy - you know whilst protesting for 'democracy' - how do you equate that with most of them = 'moderate'

Indonesia is a special case the Muslims do not have complete control yet.

Well i would like to see the source of that poll.

Well here you go - still think it is a good idea to invite all these people to colonise Europe, outbreed us and then assume political control?

The sample group of 1,000 was surveyed in face-to-face interviews in April and May of last year for the U.S.-based Pew Research Center. These results give an idea of Egyptian public opinion before the current protests there broke out.

www.jihadwatch.org...

82%: Believe adulterers should be stoned

Just like Muhammad.

84%: Believe apostates from Islam should face the death penalty

Just like Muhammad.

77%: Believe thieves should be flogged or have their hands cut off

Qur'an 5:38 prescribes amputation.

or........

December 06, 2010|By Meris Lutz, Los Angeles Times A majority of Muslims around the world welcome a significant role for Islam in their countries' political life, according to a new poll from the Pew Research Center, but have mixed feelings toward militant religious groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.

According to the survey, majorities in Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan and Nigeria would favor changing current laws to allow stoning as a punishment for adultery, hand amputation for theft and death for those who convert from Islam to another religion. About 85% of Pakistani Muslims said they would support a law segregating men and women in the workplace.

articles.latimes.com...

Thanks for posting. After 9/11 I tried to refrain from a blanket negative view of all Muslims. Even after watching Muslims dance in the street and pass out candy after those attacks. Having looked at this for 10 years now, Ive come to the conclusion that there is no moderate Islam. It is more an aggressive and violent ideology than a religion. I've also noticed that Islam is incompatible with freedom and civil liberties.

Islam need their enlightenment moment or the face a massive "backlash" when we are finally tired of being pushed around...

reply to post by Bixxi3


Bosnia has already became a gateway for Islam, why you think the ICC Hasn't arrested any Bosnian war criminal Muslims yet?

In Italy the Muslims have there own private beach and the Muslims there were demanding a nudist beach to be closed down.


In French the Muslims are taking over by the streets blocking roads, sidewalks so how is that civilized?

reply to post by mustangill

Wow, that's 635 pages. I was actually a little stunned to see that it seems true that this has occurred, but that is just skimming the first 30 pages. I read a few quotes the author cited.

At any rate, the argument made by Issa Smith, who was quoted at length on page 22 of the document you cited, seems to be basing his ideas on the concept of Native American tribal courts, Jewish law and Catholic canon. It would be interesting to see how many state court cases have been dictated by these, or other law systems.

I think this would be the problem of multiculturalism. I say it's this way. You say it's that way. Uh, oh...who's right? ...By default, I guess the native legal apparatus would be right, right?

I'm a fan of civil law. If Muslims want to use Sharia for marriage, divorce, and other family matters, I don't see a problem, just as long as American civil, secular law supersedes any decision made such that the outcome is nonbinding (example, a woman who may reneg on her opinion about being a Muslim after she receives the short end of the stick in a case judged through Sharia - though, what do I know? For all I know it's not really like that...)


For example, if the Catholic church doesn't want to marry gay people, I don't see a problem. But if a gay couple wants a "marriage" or "domestic partnership" or whatever it would be called, I think the state is obliged to not infringe on their wishes as two consenting tax paying adults. The church, however, should be left its own discretion. If the church doctrine is not to your liking, or is prejudicial towards you, maybe it's time to leave the faith - at least in its organized manifestations.

reply to post by Bixxi3

This is an example of double think on a MASS scale. Global colonization and domination have been a long standing policy of the Europeans for the past few centuries right up to this very day. The old World colonists are the New World Imperialists, with the United States assigned the roll of the Anglo-American invader and enforcer.

For centuries, third World nations have been subjugated, invaded, colonized, exploited and occupied. From as far west as the British "West Indies" to as far south as former Apartheid South Africa, East to the Indian Subcontinent and almost every nation inbetween.

From the institution of slavery to the installation and backing of brutal dictators, these nations have been under relentless foreign invasion. And while these Ango-American/European nations have been on a centuries old war path, carving up nations and looting the world's natural resources like stolen booty, they now have the nerve to object to these same foreigners legally migrating into their countries i.e. Europe...

Seriously?

Now, in a supposed free society. People should be allowed to live freely and by the same token, other people should be allowed to object, but lets be clear about one thing.

You want them out of "your" countries, fair enough, but its way way WAY OVER DUE that you got the hell out of theirs...and you know damn well thats NEVER going to happen.

reply to post by RustyNailer


I think you have an issue of circular logic here. You do not like fundamentalist Muslims just like I do not like fundamentalist Christians. However, I deal with them when I have to. I don't deal with fundamentalist Muslims, because I really don't know any. All the Muslims I know are either soft-spoken types, go to Mosque on Fridays (equivalent to Catholics who sin all week and do their hail Marys on Sunday for repentance), or they are friends of mine who are more or less the same as me, with the same problems.

IE, Yeah, we have Easter family get togethers and everyone does the Christmas thing, but people in my family are, for the most part, Easter only Catholics - Church is a real occasion for your "Sunday Best", but the rest of the year is secular morality as best as can be expected. Those are the Muslims I've known the best in my life.

reply to post by gladtobehere


I highly suggest toning down (in effect, shrinking and unboldening your text) before it gets removed, because you make valid points.

Just want to say thanks for all the replys. Im glad that there are many people on ATS that do agree and aren't afraid to speak out and make there points. I just think its sad that people who disagree have to resort to name calling(racists ) even though there is alot of valid points and evidence backing us up.

I really think that unless we live in a NWO world(which 99% of the people on ats are against). Multiculturalism will not work. You may be for it but think for a minute.
Say your living in a country where most of the native people believe in some sort of a god. And there nations background is christian. now with that history comes a certain type of culture(morals views,legal systems etc..)
When you country starts to experience mass immigration over a short period of time(say a few decades) and those immigrants do not assimilate well(don't speak English, don't agree with civic issues etc...). You start to clash culturally which cause all types of issues,which have been explained in this thread well. Now when this once minority starts to gain in population ,due to the weak immigration polices from the left, they gain more political power (or the left continue with there appeasing PC polices). And this starts to cause tension because now your country is starting to change(your nation starts to lose its identity) and not for the better.

Its happening and more people then you like to think are starting to wonder what can be done?

reply to post by Bixxi3


Multiculturalism only works when everyone participates. When you have sides hating each other isolating each other you will fail (Europe).

reply to post by Bixxi3


If, like you say, that if we were to live in a New World Order, then who or what would be your choice for worship?

Who would be your choice to run this New World Order?