reply to post by freethinker123
Why by the way do you need weapons against your own elected government?
Because the SCOTUS ruled that you have no right to secession. However, there is a right to revolution according to the SCOTUS. So, no state or large
group of citizens can legally seperate themselves from the union of states without revolution. The only other option would be for massive numbers of
people to leave the land of their birth.
The founding fathers wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,
that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to
alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them
shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed
for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than
to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the
same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to
provide new guards for their future security.
They acknowledged that at times the bonds of government must be thrown off. It is not a matter to be done for light hearted, trivial, or transient
reasons. However, who can argue that despotism and corruption can not hide behind a face of nobility? Who can say that when elections are
multi-million dollar contests swayed more by donations from corporations than voter concern despotism and fuedalism is not a real danger?
I am not saying that it is time for revolution. Just don't forget that Saddam Hussein won 100% of the vote in his last election. Democracy can be
corrupted and used as a fool's diversion,
I don't understand this. Who are the professionals? If the (US) government waged war against certain US citizens the professionals would be under
When the British waged war with colonials they controlled the professionals until France showed up. Libya controlled the professionals untill we
And I can't see how you can compare the US military with all of its technology today with that of a battlefield situation in a far away country in the
1960 - 1975 period.
There are places in Afghanistan and Iraq that American soldiers still have not gotten "under control." Rag tag militias with the help of Pakistan,
Iran, and Syria held the American war machine to a virtual stale mate in both countries. We are not leaving because there is nothing left to do. We
are leaving because there is nothing else we can do.
Why would modern Americans on their own soill not be able to do the same thing? Would there not be a single country willing to send aid and resources?
The American government has lost control of portions of Arizonia and New Mexico. They aren't fighting some super sophisticated army. They are fighting
drug cartels with a few thousand mercenaries. With literally tens of millions of Americans possessing military training would it be any different if
they banded together?
All countries of the world have problems with governments, but is your government the worst one in the world so people must be armed to try to stop
them coming to kill you?
A person (or government) does not have to take your life to kill you. Some fates are far worse than death.
Is our government the worst? Nope. I highly doubt that Eygpt's government was the worst in the world. I would think the government of Libya wasn't
nearly as bad as Rwanda a few years ago. Yet in both cases the people felt that revolution was necessary. A government doesn't need to be the worst to
deserve being overthrown.
I don't think it is time for a revolution here. However, there are two old quotes that we must remember.
"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." -
I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is
any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the
want of legal responsibility. All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. - John Dalberg-Acton
You are saying that guns were created to hunt?
Nope read the section you quoted.
They were built for battle and adapted to serve daily life in a useful way.
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