Originally posted by p00hbearAs a Brit member I'm intregued by the whole US gun bearing issue, I don't know anyone who owns a gun and my
guess is that 99% of brits don't want to own firearms.
Almost everyone I know owns a firearm; most are farmers and ranchers who use them for various reasons. Hunting is one, defense is another. As for
defense, here in the county we have 10 deputies to cover about 700 square miles of area and 10-12 people. The little towns may or may not have a
police force. It can take 45-min to an hour for a response to a call depending on where a deputy is on patrol at any given point. Being armed out
here is the only way to have a hope of responding to a crime.
When is it legal to fire a weapon with intent to kill?
Can you fire at someone for illegally entering a property?
Here we have both the no retreat clause and the castle doctrine, which means that you have the right to hold your ground as long as you are not
trespassing. You can shoot someone here with immunity from prosecution if they are unlawfully attempting to gain entry to your home, car, or even a
tent and hotel room. Anywhere you lawfully occupy for an evening.
They do not have to complete the act nor do you have to wait for them to actually cross the threshold. Also, if the person has threatened you or you
feel threatened you do not have to run; you can defend yourself with lethal force if they continue to advance toward you.
As for an intruder actually inside your home, they are assumed to be a threat and I do not have to prove they have any intent to harm me or my family
before I shoot them dead. The fact they are inside your home unwanted is sufficient for the law here. This removes the pesky – “he only wanted
to take your stuff” defense so often used. I don’t have to try and ascertain if he has a weapon or whatever in a half wake state. Thank you
Missouri for removing that dilemma for me.
As for liability and civil issues; the state has to prove that any reasonable person wouldn’t feel so threatened in the particular circumstances
for any suit to advance. It is a heavy burden of proof for the state and leans heavily in favor of the person who was defending themselves.
You can affect citizen arrest here as well by detaining anyone in the act of a crime with physical force if necessary to include restraint and the
threat of lethal force. Actually shooting someone who runs though is not allowed. However, should they advance toward you, you can blow them away.
You can’t shoot a thief unless you feel threatened. Again, it is the states burden to prove that in the circumstance it was unreasonable for you to
feel that way. I imagine anyone on your property at night with anything in their hands would meet the reasonable person threshold.
This is one of the reasons I chose to live where I do – the criminals (of which here there are very few BTW) do not have the advantage.
Is there any control over the storage of guns and ammo?
Sure - but I doubt what you are used to.
Quick Reference: Missouri Gun Laws
Rifles and Shotguns
• Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
• Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
• Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
• Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No
• Permit to purchase a handgun? No
• Registration of handguns? No
• Licensing of owners of handguns? No
• Permit to carry handguns? Yes
No state permit is required for the purchase of rifles, shotguns or handguns.
It is unlawful to knowingly sell, lease, loan, give away or deliver a firearm or ammunition to any person who is not lawfully entitled to possess one.
It is unlawful to recklessly sell, lease, loan, give away or deliver a firearm or ammunition to a person who is intoxicated.
It is unlawful to knowingly sell, lease, loan, give away or deliver any firearm to a person who is not eighteen years old without the consent of the
custodial parent or guardian.
• There are no state licensing requirements for the possession of a rifle, shotgun or handgun.
• It is a misdemeanor to possess an unloaded firearm when intoxicated.
• It is a felony to possess a loaded firearm while intoxicated.
• It is unlawful for a person convicted of or confined for a dangerous felony or an attempt to commit a dangerous felony to possess a concealable
firearm for five years after such conviction or confinement.
• It is unlawful for a fugitive from justice, a habitually intoxicated or drugged person, or a person currently adjudged mentally incompetent to
possess a concealable firearm.
• It is unlawful to carry a firearm concealed on or about one’s person without a concealed carry endorsement on the Missouri driver’s or
non-driver’s license or a valid permit to carry concealed firearms issued by any state.
• This prohibition does not apply to possession in a person’s dwelling, while hunting or while traveling in a continuous journey through the
• Law enforcement officers, corrections officers, probation and parole officers, some judges; process servers and marshals and members of the armed
forces or the national guard while performing their official duties are exempt from this prohibition.
• Persons over the age twenty-one years of age or older may transport a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a vehicle as long as the
firearm is lawfully possessed.
• Any person twenty-three years of age or older who is a citizen of the United States and who has resided in Missouri for six months or who is a
member of the armed forces stationed in Missouri or who is a spouse of such member of the military can submit an application for a certificate of
qualification for a concealed carry endorsement for the Missouri driver’s or non-driver’s license.
edit on 24/7/2011 by Golf66 because: (no reason given)