Norway: Blast near prime minister's office in Oslo

Here is a story from The Jerusalem Post saying they will keep doing there propaganda and supporting the right wing hate groups because this event is just left wing propaganda.
www.jpost.com...

Undoubtedly, there will be those – particularly on the Left – who will extrapolate out from Breivik’s horrific act that the real danger facing contemporary Europe is rightwing extremism and that criticism of multiculturalism is nothing more than so much Islamophobia.

While it is still too early to determine definitively Breivik’s precise motives, it could very well be that the attack was more pernicious – and more widespread – than the isolated act of a lunatic. Perhaps Brievik’s inexcusable act of vicious terror should serve not only as a warning that there may be more elements on the extreme Right willing to use violence to further their goals, but also as an opportunity to seriously reevaluate policies for immigrant integration in Norway and elsewhere. While there is absolutely no justification for the sort of heinous act perpetrated this weekend in Norway, discontent with multiculturalism’s failure must not be delegitimatized or mistakenly portrayed as an opinion held by only the most extremist elements of the Right.

Britain’s Prime Minister David Cameron and Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel have both recently lamented the “failure of multiculturalism” in their respective countries.

Amartya Sen, the 1998 Nobel Prize laureate for welfare economics from India, has noted how terribly impractical it is to believe that the coexistence of an array of cultures in close proximity will lead to peace. Without a shared cultural foundation, no meaningful communication among diverse groups is possible, Sen has argued.

Norway, a country so oriented toward promoting peace, where the Muslim population is forecast to increase from 3 percent to 6.5% of the population by 2030, should heed Sen’s incisive analysis.

The challenge for Norway in particular and for Europe as a whole, where the Muslim population is expected to account for 8% of the population by 2030 according to a Pew Research Center, is to strike the right balance. Fostering an open society untainted by xenophobia or racism should go hand in hand with protection of unique European culture and values.

Europe’s fringe right-wing extremists present a real danger to society. But Oslo’s devastating tragedy should not be allowed to be manipulated by those who would cover up the abject failure of multiculturalism.

I think this newspaper should take into account what happened here in the US and how the right wing changed after Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot.

The right wing don't give up do they.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Norway shooting: Glenn Beck compares dead teenagers to Hitler youth
Glenn Beck, the leading Right-wing American broadcaster, has prompted outrage after comparing the teenage victims of the Utoya Island massacre to the Hitler Youth.

Beck said that the Labour party youth camp on the island, where 68 people were murdered, bore "disturbing" similarities to the Nazi party's notorious juvenile wing.

Beck, a multimillionaire darling of the Tea Party movement, said on his nationally-syndicated radio show: "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing."

Torbjørn Eriksen, a former press secretary to Jens Stoltenberg, Norway's prime minister, described the comment as "a new low" for the broadcaster, who has frequently been forced to apologise for offensive remarks.

"Young political activists have gathered at Utoya for over 60 years to learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the Hitler Youth was about," he told The Daily Telegraph. "Glenn Beck's comments are ignorant, incorrect and extremely hurtful."

Originally posted by varikonniemi

Originally posted by varikonniemi
Just one thing i noticed a minute ago, which i find esoterically curious...

9/11 and 7/22 both sum up to 11 (9+1+1 and 7+2+2)

What's up with this 11

The other was on day 11 and other on year -11

edit on 23-7-2011 by varikonniemi because: (no reason given)

Well well, the plot gets deeper...

The shooting happened on 7/22, 7+2+2 = 11
The shooting started at 3:26PM, 3+2+6 = 11
The number of people on the island 560, 5+6+0 = 11
The number of people killed by the suspect 92, 9+2 = 11

Usually i find these numerology things just to be curious details, but how far are you willing to go with chance before you start rising your eyebrows and ask yourself in a more serious tone whats up with this?

edit on 23-7-2011 by varikonniemi because: (no reason given)

What you just highlighted there is the fact that the number 11, and multiples of 11, are sacred numbers for the Masonic globalists, because they prefer to carry out their false flag attacks, targeted assassinations or other significant events at the right time.

This way, it leaves behind an occult signature, and those occult signatures send a subliminal message to fellow globalists and anyone versed in the occult that it is they who perpetrated these false flag terror attacks.

Finally, someone that gets it…..

island-adv.com...

The tragic events in Norway should be a wake up call to the authorities, not to the dangers of so-called “Right-Wing Extremism”, but to the very real dangers of marginalizing a political opposition and a point of view to the extent that they have nowhere to go but underground.

The response to the attacks by the Norwegian press and the incitement against the right of center dooms the repetition of this same cycle of violence in which views are driven underground, where they simmer into real extremism and then explode. The easy and simple way to diffuse this cycle of violence is to reach out and create safe spaces for freedom of speech even for the most disagreeable views.

European liberals often boast of keeping a tighter lid on extremism than America, with tighter curbs on free speech, but the current tragedy is yet another reminder that this lid is counterproductive. Suppressing a legitimate opposition only leads to the rise of an illegitimate opposition. Shutting down ideas you don’t like brings back those same ideas, only heavily armed.
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Political violence emerges from tensions created by making political engagement a high stakes game. Lowering the stakes and the barriers to political engagement has been shown over and over again to also lower the level of violence.

The answer to political violence cannot be more violence or incitement, it must be engagement. And it is ironic that in Oslo, a city where international engagement has been developed into a fine art, the authorities treat engagement with the right as a foreign notion. But what goes for the world, goes for Norway also.

The reams of ignorant commentary that scapegoat entire political movements for the actions of one man are not only dangerous, they are a more insidious form of political extremism that no free society can afford. They send a message that criminalizes ideas, rather than actions, and by criminalizing ideas, they create a slippery slope into violence.

So you think the Right-Wing Extremism from the US, Isreal and the UK should be promoted in Norway because those countries were able to find a nut to shoot people? The views this guy had did not come from Norway.

To add to the above the US, UK and Isreal all practice what I said above in there own way. Jihad websites are blocked and you have others like Palistinian websites blocked. They see those as outside forces trying to do harm to their countries so they block them. This guy spent a lot of time in London with EDL. Not in Norway with the EDL. So that is a outside force causing a terrorist attack in Norway. They should block it and not allow it to take hold. The same with any other extremist websites that might promote terrorist attacks of any kind. If they have a peacful country they should do all they can to keep it that way. Just look at Pakistan they are a haven for extremist groups. There moto is if you have enough money to promote your views go for it. And the list of terrorist groups in their country is a mile long.

Heres just some of Pakistans terrorist groups.
www.satp.org...

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In the US the only speech that is restricted is when you are inciting direct violence. Or directly threatening someone’s life.

en.wikipedia.org...

United States

Laws prohibiting hate speech are unconstitutional in the United States, outside of obscenity, defamation, incitement to riot, and fighting words. The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech.

The "reason why fighting words are categorically excluded from the protection of the First Amendment is not that their content communicates any particular idea, but that their content embodies a particularly intolerable (and socially unnecessary) mode of expressing whatever idea the speaker wishes to convey." Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent. This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities.

Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, employers may sometimes be prosecuted for tolerating "hate speech" by their employees, if that speech contributes to a broader pattern of harassment resulting in a "hostile or offensive working environment" for other employees.

In the 1980s and 1990s, more than 350 public universities adopted "speech codes" regulating discriminatory speech by faculty and students. These codes have not fared well in the courts, where they are frequently overturned as violations of the First Amendment. Debate over restriction of "hate speech" in public universities has resurfaced with the adoption of anti-harassment codes covering discriminatory speech.

That is why those jihad websites can be pulled, because they are directly coordinating and advocating violence, not just inciting violance.

Anything less than that, then it’s fair game.


If the KKK wants to stand outside the capital and tell everyone how all the non whites need to be deported. Then there is no problem. If they want to talk about how all non whites should not be allowed to have children. Then there is no problem. They can burn crosses all day long. Just as long as they are on their own property, then everything is perfectly fine.

Over in Europe, saying such things will get you fined, or put in jail.

The population still harbors such resentment, but they can’t express it. The fact that they can’t express it, angers them more, because they feel that the government has turn traitor. The government allows the other people to do what they want, with blessings, but they don’t dare to even say a word about it for fear of the government coming down on their necks.

That policy breads resentment and hate.


People from Europe talk about how the US is unrefined and brutish. How the population of the US is evil and despicable for the things they say. They don’t hear such things from their own country, because people are not allowed to say such things. That gives the population a false sense of superiority. Those same people are over there, just as they are over here. They just can’t voice their opinion, so the anger is bottled up inside a large portion of the population. The bottle can only hold so much before it explodes.

You have to have an opens system that allows anyone to redress grievances.
That is all people like him are looking fore. The government doesn’t allow the opposition to be heard. When you control the discourse, then you control the results.

That same mentality shows up on the board on a daily basis. When ever someone mentions specific religions, then everyone jumps in and starts calling them “racist” and “right wing activist”. They do that to try to prevent the person from voicing their opinion. No mater how right or wrong that opinion is. They don’t even want the subject to be brought up in the first place. That is the method that the progressives have taken to in the US because they can’t directly outlaw the person from saying that in the first place. So they just brow beat them into silence. People have taken notice in the US. That type of activity is one of the things that has spurred the backlash against the left in this country.

But.. in Europe, The backlash is even outlawed, so that even build more anger. It’s a never ending feedback loop that will build until everything blows up.

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Well here in the US free speach is not allways allowed. Just look a the Mormons. Mormons the fire brand preachers who would show up in a town in the wild west and set up camp. Then they would begin preaching. They would use there fire brand preaching of hate and doom. The town would then begin become violent. The Mormons would use propaganda and say the devil and demons had taken control of a person who did not like them and have there followers attack the person. And when this was not kept in check you ended up with Salem Witch trials where men women and even children would be killed trying to force there brain washing into the person. And as the followers looked at it it was for the persons own good to be tortured to death because they were evil in the eyes of the Mormons who had a agenda to there fire brand preaching of hate.

Luckyly most towns did not allow it to get to that extreme. The peaceful town seen what was happening when the Mormons showed up with there fire brand preaching and chased them out of town. The Mormons were chased out of the US all together and chased into Indian country and Mexico. But you wont see that in most history books. You will see the poor Mormons chased around the country because of there religious beliefs. They were chased because of there hate speach and fire brand preaching mixed with propaganda to push a agenda.

So free speach in the US was not allways allowed when it indangered the public. Just like medication. A pill is considered unsafe and banned if one person in a hundred has a bad or fatal reaction. Does the other 99 have there freedoms taken away from medications? And when it comes to hate speach does one in a hundred having a bad reaction create a point where it should be banned? How many people don't go kill someone but needs to take maedications in order to lower there anger issues. America is becoming a medicated country or have you noticed? So when is the point that we start protecting the public from hate speach. With the internet you can't force them into isolation the way you could in the past.

Found this video on you tube if I may add.

Tribute Norway 2011



Sad really.

This is a song the media and most people have agreed on being a good song to these tragic events..

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They simply don't care. They (Glenn Beck and his ilk) are just prostitutes; sorry if that counts as bad language or is offensive, but that is what they are. They accept money to do some very dirty deeds, and they are willing to do anything if the price is right, even if it means selling out their own country and countrymen. It's sad but in no way surprising.

There was a lot of speculation here that he had help, another shooter who he was in contact with via a headset.

Turns out it was a bluetooth headset, he was calling the police.

"The prosecutor also confirmed Norwegian media reports that police received several phone calls during the terror attack that were probably from Breivik himself, but wouldn't say how police had reacted to the calls.

According to Norwegian daily Aftenposten, Breivik offered to surrender several times and asked police to call him back, but they didn't."

Anyone else think that Norway will be rethinking their emergency dispatch procedures?