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posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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Some food for thought:

www.jpost.com...

wakeupfromyourslumber.com...

www.richardsilverstein.com...

thirteenthmonkey.blogspot.com...

Israel had lots of motive. They did this. this guy may have pulled the trigger, but this is israel behind it.




posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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His manifesto was plagiarized?



From Una-bomb's Manifesto:

One of the most Wide spread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism Can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.

But what is leftism? Hum the first half of the 20th century leftism could have been practically Identified with Socialism. Today the movement is fragmented and it is not clear WHO Can pray properly called a leftist.

When we speak of leftist in this article we garden in mind Mainly Socialists, Collectivist, "politically correct" types, feminists, gay and disability Activists, Animal Rights Activists and the like. But not everyone Who is associate with one of These movements is a leftist.

What we are Trying to get that in discussing leftism is not so much a movement or an Ideology as a psychological type, or Rather a collection of related types. THUS, what we mean by "leftism" will emerge more Clearly in the course of our discussion of leftist psychology

from Anders Behring Breivik's Manifesto:

One of the most wide spread manifestations of the craziness of our world is Multiculturalism, so a discussion of the psychology of multiculturalists Can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of Western Europe in general.

But what is Multiculturalism or Cultural Communism? The movement is fragmented and it is not clear WHO Can pray properly called a cultural Marxist.

When we speak of cultural Marxists in this article we garden in mind Mainly Individuals WHO support Multiculturalism; Socialists, Collectivist, "politically correct" types, feminists, gay and disability Activists, Animal Rights Activists, Environmentalist, etc. But not everyone Who is associate with One of These movements support Multiculturalism.

What we are Trying to get that in discussing cultural Marxists is not so much a movement or an Ideology as a psychological type, or Rather a collection of related types

- this is very interesting, says violence researcher Ragnhild Bjørnebekk the Police Academy.


www.document.no...



posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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I find it alarming he went to London, and had a meeting with others like him to reform the templars circle. As per usual the UK is linked to it. Maybe its about time the UK done something with regards to these links.



posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by AnonymousFem
I find it alarming he went to London, and had a meeting with others like him to reform the templars circle. As per usual the UK is linked to it. Maybe its about time the UK done something with regards to these links.


The problem is…… With the way the group is organized, there is absolutely no way for anyone to find out who the other members are.

If the group isn’t a figment of his imagination, then there will be plenty more carnage like that.

And considering how badly the culture has degraded in Europe , I have a suspicion that it isn’t a figment of his imagination.

Only time will tell.



posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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I agree don't get me wrong I know all of this is speculation, but it was reported on the news. But as you say time will tell. But if it is true, there really needs to be some serious questions for the Intelligence services in the UK to answer.



posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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plagiarism is the copying of another's words and ideas.
this man had no real identity of his own.
he was trying hard to develope and identity attaching himself to groups and assuming that position.

everything this man did was to present himself in a very specific way. his attire, his religion, his other affiliations.
the failed business attempts.

but of these things filled the void left by not having a real identity. the blame, he placed on the "other". whether it be political or racial. in his eyes, a traitor is even worse than the other.

this man was full of hate. self-loathing at not having a real identity. he was deluded with visions of grandeur.
which he realized in a sick and manical way.
it was cold blooded. because he does not have a pyschological soul. no real conscience. no real identity.


he was a pyschopath and a sociopath.
that is obvious through deduction.

let me step aside a minute. this is the true picture.
but that does not rule out that anyone else knew he was a pyschopath, and used this as a weapon.
I'm just sayin', for there is no proof of anyone else.

I know it's hard to believe one man could go to all this planning and then be able to execute the murder.
But it isn't impossible. In his mind, the plan may have been thought out thousands of times, in order to work out every detail.

it was a sick fantasy. and then he made it a reality.

Why can't one man be able to plan out and manifest a large scale horror?
One other man's plan was written out and carried out successfully. At least for several years it would.
That man's plan was Mein Kampf.

Stuggle, battle, jihad, it's all the same thing.
it's war

edit on 24-7-2011 by Robin Marks because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
His manifesto was plagiarized?




Originally posted by Robin Marks
plagiarism is the copying of another's words and ideas.


It came across to me that that was the intention.

His working concept is an open source revolt. You build upon the people that came before. Everyone doesn’t start from scratch. You use parts of other peoples work in your work, changing and updating specific things as needed to make things fit.

Changing parts of the text from “Leftist” to “Marxist” is a natural generational progression. They are one in the same.

It is the same way people in the linux world build computer programs from snippets of outside code.

Think of it as a linux for revolutionaries.



posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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You may be right, I didn't read the whole thing. Are other parts written by others? Or did he just take others work and peice it together to make his manifesto by alteration?

He may have been using a "linux" approach to his declarations. But this doesn't show he has any original ideas. Again, he's just copying others and adapting it to his preveted view. But his views aren't really his own. He's probably studied, and copied, other serial killers. I'm sure he used that same approach.

Serial killers very often copy other killers and try to be even a bigger "name".

But maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
We humans, are copy cats.

It's just that I think serial killers are the biggest copy cats, because they are missing a real identity, a real conscience.

They're trying to fill that giant void, with the biggest possible statement they can make.

He is a handsome fellow. But had no wife. No children. Thankfully. He couldn't share his world with anyone. Because he was hyper-selfish, ego-centric. He was too needy to give. His soul is a black-hole, selfishly devour everthing around him. Sparing no light outward.

He is a dark, black hole.


Added. I think I must say that I didn't read much of the manifesto because I am now limited my reading of the details. Writing this is expressive, I'm sick of absorbing the news. I try to look at situations like this analytically. Detached so I can find the true facts. But that doesn't last forever. I knew I had reached my emotional limit when I saw the first helicopter shot and realized there were more than the 10 bodies reported. There were at least more than twenty obvious to the observer. That's when I became emotional. And then, within minutes, I went numb.

I'm just some dude, sitting here scratching his head. But I wonder, if I've become overwhelmed and had to shut down, what could it be like for those many families? Even if I had the absolute answer, that wouldn't help them one bit.

They do not have the luxury to become detached from the event.
I had to erase the last line I just wrote.
I tend to say stupid inappropriate things, at the most serious of times.


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posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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I've skim read the thing and it looks like he wrote the whole thing.

It's incredibly detailed, he's not a thicko and probably has an IQ in the 140 - 150 range.
The bomb making, the aquisition and materials etc.
He hints at what he's planning to do but doesn't mention his target.
If the book is accurate he came close to being rumbled a few times during the farm-stay.

The London meeting in 2002 he had with the other 'Templars' means there's another nine or so 'commanders' like him out there, somewhere...
I actually wonder if he's a deliberate agent planted to sabotage any dissent against marxism and multi-culturalism?
The way he's gone about his 'crusade' seem's certain to generate sympathy for them.
He mention's he's a freemason of the '3rd rank', something the media is still silent about...



posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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It's in the link if you follow it and read the 1,500 page document...



posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by WatchRider
reply to post by MikeboydUS
 


It's in the link if you follow it and read the 1,500 page document...


I'm not going seriously waste time reading 1,500 pages written and plagiarized by a psychopath.

One, I dont have the time for it.

Two, the burden of proof is on the accusers. They must provide evidence rather than hearsay.

Three, we don't know what kind of viral memetic garbage is in it. For all the Manchurian/MK Ultra mess on ATS, most of the members seems to be totally ignorant of memetic engineering. Its a very real form of social engineering. Check out the following and keep in mind, if memes and memeplexes can be used to inhibit behavior, it can also produce it.

Inhibiting Imitative Terrorism through Memetic Engineering
onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

edit on 24/7/11 by MikeboydUS because: edit



posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS

Originally posted by WatchRider
reply to post by MikeboydUS
 


It's in the link if you follow it and read the 1,500 page document...


I'm not going seriously waste time reading 1,500 pages written and plagiarized by a psychopath.

One, I dont have the time for it.

Two, the burden of proof is on the accusers. They must provide evidence rather than hearsay.

Three, we don't know what kind of viral memetic garbage is in it. For all the Manchurian/MK Ultra mess on ATS, most of the members seems to be totally ignorant of memetic engineering. Its a very real form of social engineering. Check out the following and keep in mind, if memes and memeplexes can be used to inhibit behavior, it can also produce it.

Inhibiting Imitative Terrorism through Memetic Engineering
onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

edit on 24/7/11 by MikeboydUS because: edit




EEEEK , I 'm not going to read it.

Terrorist proclaimed himself 'Darwinian,' not 'Christian'
Norwegian's manifesto shows Breivik not religious, having no personal faith

Read more: Terrorist proclaimed himself 'Darwinian,' not 'Christian' www.wnd.com...
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posted on Jul, 24 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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This is exactly right. He uses the term "open-source warfare" it doesn't take long even skimming certain key sections of his book that he's got this in mind.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 12:00 AM
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In parts of the manuscript it sounds like he is involved in the formation of some kind of new secret society:


www.anorak.co.uk...
Breivik: I visited him in Monrovia(Liberia) once, just before the founding session in London, 2002
-- There were only 5 people in London re-founding the order and tribunal (1 by proxy) but there were around 25-30 attending in Balticum during the two sessions, ..... Electronic or telephonic communication was completely prohibited, before, during and after the meetings. On our last meeting it was emphasised clearly that we cut off contact indefinitely.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
His manifesto was plagiarized?


It seems the Unabomber was influential in his thinking. In addition to his copy and pasting of the Unabomber's manifesto Breivik's statement that his actions were "atrocious but necessary" mimic Ted Kaczynski's claims that his terror campaign was "extreme but necessary".

French police are currently searching Breivik's father's house. Jens Breivik is a retired diplomat who worked at the Norwegian embassy in London.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 05:40 AM
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Hearing to be closed to the Public and the Media.

Cover up , or keeping him from sprouting his hatred, for the world or the rest of Europe to see?

1 For security reasons

2 To stop him sending coded messaged out?

Unbelievable.

Also

Now the UK Authorities are targeting the EDL, linking them to the killer in Norway. Allegations he met
members of the group.

Reports comming in from Sky News.

Also Polish Police Arrest man in Poland, Reports Breivik tried buying explosives in Poland, in relation to the Norway Killings.
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posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Hi all

Now "only" 68 is death.

Thanks,



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Jens Breivik is a retired diplomat who worked at the Norwegian embassy in London.



No way, well now, isn't that interesting?



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by Hilltaker
Hi all

Now "only" 68 is death.

Thanks,


That's not entirely correct.

The total number of killed at Utøya were adjusted down to 68, the number of persons killed from the bomb are now adjusted up to a total of eight.

The reason the police first went out with a number of aproximately 80, was because the media were reporting a disproportionate number of ten, which was very far off from what was the reality of the situation. But I wouldn't say it is that big of a relief with the newly adjusted numbers either.
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posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Perhaps he did not write the document at all ... They will silence him - through closed doors and isolation, yet conveniently his warped doctrine is available for all to explain his actions.






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