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The Fix For "Flash Mob" Robberies. (or) What is going on with black teens???

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by eldiablo2
look at the fbi crime stats!look at the prison population,
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crime will continue if we keep looking the other way!


If we were looking the other way, then the crime stats and prison population would look different, no?


anyhow, compare middle and upper class white people with lower income and education bracket white folks...which one is more likely to end up in jail?

the issue here is poverty and education...always has been, always will be.




posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
the issue here is poverty and education...always has been, always will be.


I grew up dirt poor. My dad broke his back when I was 9 years old, and my mom worked a minimum wage job to pay the bills. I'm not in prison. Granted, I didn't DROP OUT either, and then joined the Navy after high school. I got an electronics background, and then worked my way up to my current position of Senior Engineer.

I agree, in part, with your claim that it's poverty and education. However, I the current model is NOT working. Throwing money at the ghetto, only to have the kids dropping out of high school, and then sucking off the government tit isn't working. These kids have an opportunity to get a FREE education, the same one I got, and make the proper choices. They don't make the proper choices, and wind up repeating the cycle, because it's "cool" to "hang with the homies on the corner" and suck down malt liquor.

The "war on poverty" has been about as "successful" as the war on drugs, and war on terrorism. All FAILED! Throwing money at the problem doesn't work. Personally, I like the idea of birth control while people are on welfare. I like the idea of "education", but a different kind of education. An education that lets them know that if they continue the cycle, they're done, finished, no more government money. Welfare shouldn't be something that gets passed from generation to generation. It should be there as a safety net, and people should have the SELF INITIATIVE to get off of it. You can't cure lazy.

NOTHING has stopped any of these kids from getting an education except for themselves. Period!



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Justice will be served and the battle will rage.
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage.
You'll be sorry that you messed with the US of A.
We'll put a boot in your ***, it's the American way!

One misses the old days.

Thanks to Toby Keith - "Red, White and Blue"
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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One misses the old days.


And what exactly do you mean by the "old days?"



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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The issue is not money if't boredom and the excitement. Simple as that. Here the tried to torch WalMarts clothing department then ran out and headed to Target where 2 of 6 ate lead for their last supper. Shouldn't spray a man with a gun with lighter fluid. To top it off the city went in during the night and removed all public outdoor basketball courts. Murder rate went down 80% in 24 hours. They rioted but burnt their oun houses and cars



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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You could cuff a kid upside the head to straighten him out without people freaking out about it.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Sorry about that. I'm being apprehensive due to the large number of racists that apparently frequent this site.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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No problem.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Whatever the reason for these events, I bet if it goes on, the stores will simply shut down and everything will be sold online. You might have a few holdouts here and there, and I guess stufflike grocery stores aren't going anywhere, but what if Wal-Mart decides that the security, public relations issues, insurance, etc. simply isn7t worth the hassle? Everyone can just dail up what they need on their smartphones or whatever and the armored Wal-Mart van will deliver your pallet of toilet paper and cheeze-doodles right to your door. I'm sure TPTB would like that scheme too because it means all the transactions happen online, which means one step closer to the cashless soceity; a cornerstone of the SYSTEM control matrix for a one-world tyrrany.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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I gave you a star for the cheese doodle/pallet of T.P. thing. I like your sense of humor.

I'd have U2U'd you but I can't do that yet.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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right, and the answer to that is not social media and mobile devices. its parenting. the world we live in, advertising and media has more influence on children than parents, and the parents are either powerless and out of touch, don't care, or aren't in the picture.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by redhawk724
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right, and the answer to that is not social media and mobile devices. its parenting. the world we live in, advertising and media has more influence on children than parents, and the parents are either powerless and out of touch, don't care, or aren't in the picture.


Absolutely.

Parents don't parent any more. It's more important to them to be a friend and to live up to their child's expectations. I don't recall when that happened, but it's completely absurd.

YOU are the parent. YOU make the rules. Your child must meet YOUR expectations. You aren't there to be a pal. You are there to teach your child how to be a responsible adult.

/rant



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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No surprise here. The same thing goes on in Africa daily. Wish there was something someone could do but there is not. This is natural behavior for some



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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I find this kind of funny because in the corporate world we commend those who take initiative as

"Self Starters"

Yeah, they stole but the sad truth is that people generally steal when they haven't the means to pay for something....as in Jobs.

And the Jobs just don't exist.

We have these idle youths who just got out of school and they're hungry, bored and poor and end up enterprising for themselves.

It's a reflection of our Economy which was planned to enter a tail spin if you recall, back in 2007.

SAD....for it's simply more fuel for the NWO to step in with their NATO Forces and begin policing the streets.

While people continue to starve in them.




posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by nh_ee


.....Yeah, they stole but the sad truth is that people generally steal when they haven't the means to pay for something....as in Jobs.

And the Jobs just don't exist.

We have these idle youths who just got out of school and they're hungry, bored and poor and end up enterprising.....


Don't make excuses for negative behavior. This is a rational thinking error. Don't rescue those who abuse the trust of others. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior.

Society has gotten in the habit of making excuses for everything. That's got to stop if we're ever to get our country back.
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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Is it a fact that they are all black? Yeah. But that doesn't mean it's not racist to think that just because it's a fact that they are black, being black is causing them to do this.

The difference is, that if it were groups of whites doing this, no one would say, "OMG, why are all these whites doing this!? What is wrong in the white community?". But because it is groups of blacks, then there must be something going on in the black race that is making them do this. So, yeah, it is racist to think that just because these are groups of blacks doing it, it has something to do with the fact that they are black.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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Then there's the guy I met who told me he was going to go to the polls with a self-made shirt that said, "It's called the WHITE house for a reason." Then he proceeded to tell me he wasn't a racist while he showed us his impression of all blacks (yes, he said ALL) and did a little gangsta walk with a heavy ebonics accent. He then rationalized his racism away as saying that everything he was saying were all facts so that is not racism.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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In one of those riots in the '80s, didn't the Korean store owners stand on the top of their stores with guns, and their rate of being looted went down?

Is the race card still valid if the Korean store keeper shoots you?



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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I don't know what the actual solution to this problem is, but I know where to start. The first, and most crucial step is ADMITTING THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM!!!

For the media to continually report these incidences, yet leaving out the descriptions, is a travesty and a shame. For the PC liberals to constantly attack anyone who discusses the problem honestly as being (gasp) RACIST, rather than acknowledging the problem is nothing short of disgusting. No problem has ever been fixed by ignoring it, pretending it didn't exist, or vilifying the people who see it for what it is.

Read this...

12% of all the cars sold in America are RED FORD ESCORTS. Over the last several years, and particularly in the last several months, there has been a disturbing trend whereby almost every single TRAFFIC ACCIDENT in the whole nation is caused by RED FORD ESCORTS. Sure, the vast majority of RED FORD ESCORTS don't cause TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS...but it's hard to ignore that every single TRAFFIC ACCIDENT you ever see on the news see is caused by RED FORD ESCORTS. Only, now, the news no longer reports that the TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS are being caused EXCLUSIVELY by RED FORD ESCORTS. The news only reports that they were caused by FORD ESCORTS. Don't you think the news should report that almost all TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS are caused by RED FORD ESCORTS? Don't you want to know that so you can keep your friends and family safe from avoiding TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, and knowing what to look out for? The reason the news isn't reporting that all the FORD ESCORTS happen to be RED is because Liberals don't think it's fair (even if it is factual).

Now go back through what you just read and replace RED with "black", FORD ESCORTS with "youths", and TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS with "flash mobs", or "racially motivated attacks", or "muggings"...

Why aren't we discussing the facts of a nation wide crime spree the same way we would with a spree of traffic accidents? This is an injustice and makes me sick.
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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The best fix is to make some kind of employment available where livable wages are paid while doing honest work. The problem is that jobs aren't there, or if there are jobs - they just don't pay enough to be worth the time. (Might make rent, but it still wont cover any food or utilities. Cost of living estimation in regards to setting minimum wage is a bad joke.)

This also has less risk than running drugs and doing more typical gang activities. The legal penalties are less harsh, and by avoiding runs on small "mom & pop" stores with a personal business stake - it's unlikely they'll ever be shot at over such raids. It's not too hard to figure out the reasons why they're doing it.

Moving police to different areas is one of those proposed solutions, but such mobs always have scouts. That's one of the entire points as to why they're coordinating with cell phones. When one area is hot they get word not to go there, then somebody phones in from another location where the opportunity for easy pickings exists.

As for drop gates or locking doors... Those are only as good as the nearest movable garbage can, shopping cart, or concealable piece of 2X4 or steel pipe. If a guide track is obstructed or a latch is prevented from catching, that gate or door may as well not be there. You're making out these flash mobs to be dumber than they are. They may have slacked off on schooling, but there is still street smarts and some amount of common sense. Many often have a lookout by the door, and to think they don't keep an exit plan covered is underestimating the bunch.

Other counters would be difficult to implement as well. There are legitimate reasons to make calls from areas in and around stores, and it's impractical to monitor everybody's cell phone conversations and text messages.



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