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Originally posted by Homedawg
was trained as a microw-wave tech in the eary 70's..for what you propose,the technology didnt exist in 1963 to build anything small enough to hide....sorry....what happened to his head was the result of a high velocity projectile encountering bone and wet flesh matter(brain)...good thinking though
Originally posted by 8311-XHT
This is going to probably sound crazy... (even on this board).. but I am very much an "out of the box" thinker, so bear with me. When looking at the Zapruder film I had always thought the way JFK's head EXPLODED when shot just never seemed natural. Then you add to that the unliklihood of hitting that kind of shot with JFK moving so quickly as well. The whole thing just doesn't seem right. Then consider that if this was a government operation.. do you really think they would risk the job being botched and relying on such a risky attempt to kill the president by using ONLY a rifle? What happens then if they fail? Doesn't that put the conspirators in more jeopardy considering JFK would likely know who was conspiring against him? Then on top of that consider all the technology the US government has at their disposal.
When I look at the JFK assassination it reminds me of 9-11. To me these are both orchestrated events with the purpose of moving society in the direction the powers that be want us to move. I also believe that super technologies are the reason for much of all these conspiracies. As I see it after WWII America's biggest fear and enemy was tehnology itself.. not just other countries getting this tech but even average Joes like us. These technologies presented a risk to national security and our economic system. As I see it our government is using these weapons they fear going mainstream in these events to shock us into creating the totalitarian system they feel is necessary to control this technology without us knowing it. The JFK assassination, 9-11, hurricane Katrina, Japan quake and tornadoes all represent this.
Look at this image.. does this look like damage caused by a bullet at long range? It's the same with 9-11. Is this really how it would look when a building structurally fails? To me the answer is no in both events..
What I propose is that like the microwave energy weapon used to basically disintegrate the WTC:
they also used some kind of microwave direct energy weapon on JFK to ENSURE the mission was completed.. What happens when you microwave something with water in it.. it can explode... imagine you had an advanced targeting system that could lock onto a moving target... a high energy beam is locked on to JFK's head.. and fired a super high intensity pulse at his head. Where the beam is targeted instantly causes that area of his fluid filled brain to heat up and explode.
In this frame you can see what is either a bullet or bone coming out of the top of his head.. OR it could be the beam super heating moisture in the air and moisture that exploded out of JFK's head. This is frame 313 of the Zapruder film
Now.. I know what you are all thinking... this fits in perfectly with the stereotype of conspiracy theorists.. "tin foil hat wearers". But why do you think that is? From what I have seen this is what the government does. They intentionally spread disinformation to discredit the theories that are actually real. For example.. I believe the US has had antigravity technolgy since WWII.. and to discredit this info from being accepted in the mainstream they have tied the whole "alien coverup" to antigravity to dsicredit antigravity in general. We see the same thing happening with 9-11. A huge amount of disinfo has been tied to this event to discredit all 9-11 conspiracy theories from being accepted or even considered,. So maybe this is WHY conspiracy theorists have been painted as tin foil hat wearers... to prevent us from even considering how the JFK conpsiracy was actually pulled off.. things like the shooter on the grassy knoll and gunman in the car with Kennedy could all be misdirection..
Also.. one of these super technologies I think terrifies the government is MKultra.. which was also used in these assassination attempts. This is another example of a technology I think the US government fears going mainstream in the future and even use the fear of these technolgies within the government to get others in the government to do what they want.
The other beauty of this technology is that it can't be traced.. if an actual gunman were captured it would likely be easy to trace them back to the conspirators. By using these super technologies like MKultra and something like an energy weapon not only can't they be traced but they are so unbelievable to the general population we wouldn't even believe they are possible. And when you think about it that is probably why they think we NEED the wool pulled over our eyes because we are such simpletons we can't even conceive of this kind of stuff.
I know this will likely be considered a looney theory.. and maybe it is.. but it's something to think about. Keep it in mind as you go through not ony the evidence of this event but also others in US history.
[edit on 26-6-2011 by 8311-XHT because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MrKelly
Um he got shot by a Sniper Rifle, They used the exact rifle exact car, going at the exact speed, even the precise wind speeds that were recorded on that day. They let a sharpshooter shoot the dummy wich beared a compsite skull made to represent bone, blood, tissue, and brain matter as closely as possible. they compared the same results to the original fottage and the results were very similar. so in my opinion he got shot.edit on 26-6-2011 by MrKelly because: (no reason given)
if you throw in alen technology the whole scheme seems lame since they could do it anytime and anyplace...still agood thread though...shows outside the box thinking
Oswald was there to just fire his gun and likely did hit Kennedy in the back
Considering that the presidential motorcade was running slightly late, Oswald was seen by witness Carolyn Arnold at Approx. 12:25 on the second floor lunchroom and Kennedy was struck, we've been told from the sixth floor, at exactly 12:30... I'd say if anything, Oswald was unlikely to be in a position to shoot Kennedy. But hey, that's just me
And there seems to be absolutely no hint at any MK ULTRA or any "super weapons" being used here at all. Even after almost 50 years. Instead, everything points to guns being used by multiple witnesses and absolutely no need for the use of MK ULTRA.
It appears that Sirhan Sirhan, James Earl Ray, and Lee Harvey Oswald. at one point were living in Dallas housing project within a block of each other!.And this had the earmarks of being much more than coincidence....
This was brought forward by James B Hulet who interviewed Jim garrison at length over a period of time.
Let's not forget the HSCA investigation after all. This being probably the most in-depth investigation ever done on the JFK Assassination case in which they concluded a probable conspiracy had taken place. If some sort of super weapon was used, or MK ULTRA of course, they simply would have known about it. Instead, no, because rifles were the only possible, as well as being the only plausible conclusion.
Just because you may believe super technology was available then, that's no reason to believe it was used.
Oh, and this really isn't the only in-depth investigation done on this case. And again, no one has ever even been suspicious anything other than rifles were used. That certainly tell's us something..
Out of pure curiosity, what makes you think MK ULTRA was used in the JFK case?
Originally posted by Vanishr
Interesting theory OP, i think it definetly has some credence to it, but its hard to contemplate as you say, its so unbelieveable that the general public would instantly denie, most people who discover something so dangerous that it scares them and shocks all there beliefs, they simply denie, pretty convenient mind cycle there for any would be 'whistleblowers' Just a thought OP, like this thread
This link may interest you as you mentioned tin foil hats etc.
www.itsaboutthattime.net... Be sure to read the small print on the bottom of the card.edit on 28-6-2011 by Vanishr because: spelling
Please keep in mind when I make comments it is with the disclaimer that this is just a theory and an evolving one and I don't mean to claim I am certain of everyhting or that I am an authority or totally knowledgable about all aspects I talk about. The crux of my claim is just that from what I have learned about this event none of the info that I have seen makes sense to me.
This theory doesn't hinge on Oswald being the gunmen.. but the point remains that the more gunman you have you increase your chances of being caught. The fewer you have the more likely you are to potentally fail in the mission. So I think it is just as plausible that they had some gunmen posing as Oswald. But it does make you wonder.. how a guman could be up there and not be seen.
As someone that has studied this a lot what is your take on this? Do you feel that some shots were definitely fired from the location Oswald was supposed to be? How did they escape notice?
My first instinct was to look back up to that man on the sixth floor. "Was he going to fire again?" I wondered. By now the motorcade was beginning to speed up and in only a couple of seconds the President's car had disappeared under the triple underpass. To my amazement the man still stood there in the window! He didn't appear to be rushed. There was no particular emotion visible on his face except for a slight smirk. It was a look of satisfaction, as if he had accomplished what he had set out to do. He seemed pleased that no one had realized where the shots were coming from. Then he did something that puzzled me. Very slowly and deliberatley he set the rifle on its butt and just stayed there for a moment to savor what he had done, like a hunter who had "bagged his buck." Then, with no sense of haste, he simply moved slowly away from the window until he disappeared from my line of vision.
Plus, as I said before.. Oswald seemed like the classic MKUltra sleeper because of his bizarre behavior before and after the assasination.
But this is WHY they used these methods.. because they couldn't be traced.
I also think it is very probable that many of these reports from the scene were generated by people within the CIA as misdirection.
True.. but that isn't the only reason. The main reason is that the evidence doesn't add up with conventional reasons and even the wildest conspiracy theores.. and I think I have heard them all.
I think it also tells how the government was in control of the investigation.
the way they do this is with disinformation.. disinformation with the JFK assassiantion itself.. disinformation with these super technologies.. making people focus on aliens.. making conspiracy theoriests focus on other aspects - the grassy knoll.. the people in the car... even claiming Jackie was an MKultra sleeper. All these things meant to divert us from the real issue.
Detailed above.. but also because so many of these assassinations have used possible MKultra sleepers.
The same applies to me.
I'm just very interested in this case and I want to find some truth in it. So, If I disagree with your theory, I want to try and show why I disagree with it as more can be learnt that way. That being so, I'm really enjoying this thread. It's becoming something of a rarity that we get to discuss a great conspiracy theory all the while keeping it civil and keeping the arguments to actual debate.
Oh, I agree there was more than one gunman. I was disagreeing that Oswald was a shooter. That's why I quoted when you said he was.
So, from a "Lone Nut's" Point of view, multiple shooters aren't needed. He has himself, he has a gun and he has a target. And he's going to try and hit that target. Adding more numbers jeopardises the mission and can do more harm than if he missed.
To my amazement the man still stood there in the window! He didn't appear to be rushed. There was no particular emotion visible on his face except for a slight smirk. It was a look of satisfaction, as if he had accomplished what he had set out to do. He seemed pleased that no one had realized where the shots were coming from. Then he did something that puzzled me. Very slowly and deliberatley he set the rifle on its butt and just stayed there for a moment to savor what he had done, like a hunter who had "bagged his buck." Then, with no sense of haste, he simply moved slowly away from the window until he disappeared from my line of vision.
Again, let's not forget that Oswald was seen on the second floor lunchroom by Police officer Marion baker roughly 90 seconds after the assassination. But according to witness Howard Brennan, the gunman was certainly in no such rush. It's not evidence, I know, but it's some great food for thought and it gives us a reason to be more skeptical about the theory placing Oswald as the assasin.
This does indicate a shooter from this location though. For me, I believe there were 3 locations all in all. The Texas School Book Depository 6th floor (but not by Oswald), the Dal-Tex building third floor, and the Grassy Knoll behind the picket fence.
I'm a little bit confused as to why you sent me to this thread. No hint points to MK ULTRA still. The user who posted the thread is as curious about it as you seem to be and they've yet to add a link backing up any claim they made about anyone.
The thing is, I can't see any odd behavior from Oswald myself personally. Saying that, I'm a strong believer that Oswald was working with the government prior to the assassination, something which makes a great deal of sense when looking at his entire, albeit short, lifetime. Any odd behavior makes a great deal of sense when taking this into consideration
Ok, well, how could they make it so the "super" weapon caused the same injuries and reactions as a rifle
as well as sounds which everyone heard, even Harold Norman who heard shells hitting floor as well as gunfire from the 5th floor looking up at the 6th floor, or Gordon Arnold from in front of the Knoll.
How does this weapon account for the first shot striking, the last shots, as well as the shot to James Tague?
Why did not a single witness claim anything other than a rifle was used?
If not, then I'm going to believe the theory a rifle was used as everything points to it.
I hugely disagree. The majority of the witnesses went directly against what the Warren Commission tried to prove. And I've yet to hear a single witness who fully heard/saw the events take place exactly the same way the commission claimed it did.
Sorry, but demonizing the witnesses to make this theory work isn't the way to go. They're the best source of information we have in fact.
I agree the evidence doesn't add up, but this is why we have alternative theories. And I've heard many myself which fill in a lot of the blanks myself... all of which are perfectly rational and can be backed up.
Super technology really isn't needed for the assassination to work. It never has been.
And just because they haven't come to the same conclusion you have, that doesn't mean it's further proove you're right and they are in fact hiding secret technology.
Again, I disagree, It's not disinformation at all. In fact, you're doing the exact same thing as the people who came up with those theories. You're thinking outside the box and looking at another "out there" theory in the hope it might make sense and it can solve this case.
The only other I can think of is the RFK case. The JFK Assassination doesn't have any reason to believe it was influenced in anyway by the use of MK ULTRA.