New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 Victims

Originally posted by PieKeeper
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Arlington doesn't just recognize one religion though, as a whole the gravestones can symbolize a lot of different religions. Instead of recognizing an individual faith, it recognizes the faith of individuals. This does not constitute an endorsement.

Originally posted by Godsontoo
we are a nation under God and most are laws were set up on biblical law

Treaty of Tripoli: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."

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Originally posted by PieKeeper
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Arlington doesn't just recognize one religion though, as a whole the gravestones can symbolize a lot of different religions. Instead of recognizing an individual faith, it recognizes the faith of individuals. This does not constitute an endorsement.

Originally posted by Godsontoo
we are a nation under God and most are laws were set up on biblical law

Treaty of Tripoli: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."

edit on 25-6-2011 by PieKeeper because: (no reason given)

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I was discussing his view on minorities.

Thanks for assuming though.

Originally posted by PieKeeper
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Arlington doesn't just recognize one religion though, as a whole the gravestones can symbolize a lot of different religions. Instead of recognizing an individual faith, it recognizes the faith of individuals. This does not constitute an endorsement.

Originally posted by Godsontoo
we are a nation under God and most are laws were set up on biblical law

Treaty of Tripoli: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."

edit on 25-6-2011 by PieKeeper because: (no reason given)

Really I guess you flunked history And cant even follow the object of my statement . I said our laws. Were based on biblical principles and our founding fathers were very clear that we would never allow the church to influence policy but it did not stop individual beliefs from incorporating that in forming our laws .

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by milkyway12
I dont care what kind of Republic we are , the Majority wins the vote and the approval ..... because their the Majority.

That would be a Democracy - - of which we are not.

We are a Republic.

We are a republic on paper only and a democracy in practice.

At least 50 out of the 55 men who framed the Constitution of the United States were professing Christians. (M.E. Bradford, A Worthy Company, Plymouth Rock Foundation., 1982).

Eleven of the first 13 States required faith in Jesus Christ and the Bible as qualification for holding public office.

The Constitution of each of the 50 States acknowledges and calls upon the Providence of God for the blessings of freedom.

1787 – James Madison, the “architect” of the federal Constitution and fourth president:

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future .. upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

April 30, 1789 – Washington gives his First Inaugural Address.

“My fervent supplications to that Almighty Being Who rules over the universe, Who presides in the council of nations, and Whose providential aid can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a government instituted by Himself for these essential purposes.”

March 11, 1792 – President George Washington:

“I am sure that never was a people who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency which so often manifested in the Revolution.”

December 20, 1820 – Daniel Webster, Plymouth Massachusetts:

“Let us not forget the religious character of our origin. Our fathers brought hither their high veneration for the Christian religion. They journeyed by its light, and labored in its hope. They sought to incorporate … and to diffuse its influence through all their institutions, civil, political and literary.”

July 4, 1821 – John Quincy Adams:

“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity. From the day of the Declaration … they (the American people) were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct.”

1833 – Noah Webster:

“The religion which has introduced civil liberty, is the religion of Christ and his apostles … This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free constitutions and government … the moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws.”

This Country WAS founded on CHRISTIAN VALUES

April 21, 1649 – The Maryland Toleration Act is passed.

“Be it therefor … enacted … that no person or persons whatsoever within this province … professing to believe in Jesus Christ shall … henceforth be any ways troubled, molested (or disapproved of) … in respect of his or her religion nor in the free exercise thereof …”

April 25, 1689 – The Great Law of Pennsylvania is passed.

“Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and the end of government … therefore government itself is a venerable ordinance of God …”

May 20, 1775 – North Carolina passes the Mecklenburg County Resolutions.

“We hereby declare ourselves a free and independent people; are, and of a right ought to be, a sovereign and self-governing association, under control of no other power than that of our God and the general government of Congress.”

Summer 12, 1775 – Continental Congress issues a call to all citizens to fast and pray and confess their sin that the Lord might bless the land.

“And it is recommended to Christians of all denominations, to assemble for public worship, and to abstain from servile labor and recreation on said day.”

Summer 2-4, 1776 – Declaration of Independence written and signed.

“We hold these truths … that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights … appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world … And for the support of this Declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence…”

As the Declaration was being signed, Samuel Adams said: “We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let his kingdom come.”

On the same day, Benjamin Franklin suggested that the national motto be: “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”

Historian and philosopher G.K. Chesterton said of the founding of America that it is “the only nation in the world that is founded on a creed. That creed is set forth in dogmatic and even theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence.”

September 17, 1787 – The Constitution of the United States is finished.


Keep telling your self we werent founded on Christian values.

March 4, 1629 – The first Charter of Massachusetts read in part:

“For the directing, ruling, and disposeing of all other Matters and Thinges, whereby our said People may be soe religiously, peaceablie, and civilly governed, as their good life and orderlie Conversacon, maie wynn and incite the Natives of the Country to the Knowledg and Obedience of the onlie true God and Savior of Mankinde, and the Christian Fayth, which in our Royall Intencon, and The Adventurers free profession, is the principall Ende of the Plantacion..”

January 14, 1638 – The towns of Hartford, Weathersfield and Windsor adopt the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut.

“To mayntayne and presearve the liberty and purity of the Gospell of our Lord Jesus, which we now professe…”

August 4, 1639 – The governing body of New Hampshire is established.

“Considering with ourselves the holy will of God and our own necessity, that we should not live without wholesome laws and civil government among us, of which we are altogether destitute, do, in the name of Christ and in the sight of God, combine ourselves together to erect and set up among us such government as shall be, to our best discerning, agreeable to the will of God…”

September 26, 1642 – The rules and precepts that were to govern Harvard were set up.

“Let every Student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the maine end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternall life, John 17:3 and therefore to lay Christ in the bottome, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and Learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisdome, Let every one seriously set himselfe by prayer in secret to seeke it of him Prov. 2.3.”

Harvard College was founded on Christi Gloriam and later dedicated Christo et Ecclesiae. The founders of Harvard believed that “all knowledge without Christ was vain.”

The charter of Yale University clearly expressed the purpose for which the school was founded: “Whereas several well disposed and Publick spirited Persons of their sincere Regard to & zeal for upholding & propagating of the Christian Protestant Religion … youth may be instructed in the Arts & Sciences who through the blessing of Almighty God may be fitted for Publick employment both in Church & Civil State.”

In addition to Harvard and Yale, 106 out of the first 108 schools in America were founded on the Christian faith.

April 3, 1644 – The New Haven Colony adopts their charter.

“That the judicial laws of God, as they were delivered by Moses … be a rule to all the courts in this jurisdiction …”

1647 – Governor William Bradford publishes Of Plimouth Plantation.

“Lastly, (and which was not least,) a great hope and inward zeall they (the Pilgrims) had of laying some good foundation, or at least to make some way thereunto, for ye propagation and advancing of ye gospell or ye kingdom of Christ in those remote parts of ye world; yea, though they should be but stepping-stones unto others for ye performing of so great a work … their desires were set on ye ways of God, and to employ his ordinances; but they rested on his providence, and know whom they had beleeved.”


YOU WANT SOME MORE QUOTES FROM OUR FOUNDERS?

HERE HAVE SOME MORE

A Declaration of the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress assembled.

When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for a people to advance from that subordination in which they have hitherto remained, & to assume among the powers of the earth the equal & independent station to which the laws of nature & of nature's god entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the change.

Dont skip my Quotes above , keep telling yourself with your ignorance that the United States of America was not FOUNDED on Christian values , as i can tell you .... we very much was founded on Christian values.


READ MY QUOTES ABOVE of LAWS / FOUNDERS OWN WORDS. Dont skip them if you think we werent founded on Christian values.

What a ridiculous arguement? Shame on both sides of "the USA founded on Xtian" values debate. Even if the founding fathers did mention Xtianity in various documents to say it was founded on Xtian values at that time is a universal catchall and therefore meaningless.What other religious values could it have CLAIMED to be founded on ????? As soon as the words were dry on the page any fool would have seen that the US was secular in conduct. It still is officially non religious now. It certainly is not god fearing country and definately lacks god fearing values as few politicians seem to be capable of leading a righteous life.

Anyway I still have no problem with a street called heaven or atheist.

Going bit off topically, Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use knowledge to kill two birds with one stone

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, the person who has made it or created it.

If such person should ask, who created "The Creator" common sense will derive the creator is Uncreated, so therefore We are created.

Extracting from a comic book , A apple company produced iphone4g and imagine, it has its own brain to function itself completely and freely do anything.I wonder what iphone must be thinking?two arms and legs created me?Thinking

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God.

Originally posted by Tiger5
What a ridiculous arguement?

It is not an argument. It was the president of an Atheist group correctly pointing out that government funding was used to promote a sign that is clearly of a religious nature.

This is illegal. A misappropriation of funds.

We are not a Christian nation. We are a secular government by design.

Although - Christians try to bully people into thinking they are in charge.

Originally posted by solid007
If such person should ask, who created "The Creator" common sense will derive the creator is Uncreated, so therefore We are created.

The point of this subject is a legal one.

Not a philosophical one.

If you guys are still arguing about if America wasnt founded on Christian values. Aparantly you didnt read the Fore farthers quotes or the laws / Treaties passed in the 1600s-1800s that i posted above for all to see.

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Metaphorically YES, any subject is connected with existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.

Going to the subject , that was wrong idea.I suggest they remove it.Balance favours!

Originally posted by solid007
reply to post by Annee

 

Metaphorically YES, any subject is connected with existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.

Going to the subject , that was wrong idea.I suggest they remove it.Balance favours!

Ok - not really sure your point.

I don't get "Balance Favours". Are you saying 2 wrongs make a right?

Originally posted by milkyway12
If you guys are still arguing about if America wasnt founded on Christian values. Aparantly you didnt read the Fore farthers quotes or the laws / Treaties passed in the 1600s-1800s that i posted above for all to see.

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Here - go have fun in the following thread. "The United States was not founded in Christianity? I beg to differ.,"

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Did you read my quotes because i take it you didnt.