'Intolerant' Christians are more militant than Muslims, says equality chief

Originally posted by old_god
reply to post by Awen24

 

British Muslims support suicide bombing

Then those people are not Muslims as far as I am aware because that goes against one of their core values and beliefs.

It's easy to get stats in the UK, I can go talk to a bunch of drug dealers, who happen to be brown (wow I didn't know...) and hey presto I have an instant piece of spin after talking to a bunch of neanderthals who have no idea what Islam is except for the fact that maybe their parents or their friends practice the religion and they go to the mosques once or twice a year.

Such a pointless debate because you will just be a logger heads with each other, and in this immoral world there is no room for morality and kindness (god).

edit on 20-6-2011 by old_god because: Bush made me do it!

You should get on the next plane to Egypt, there is a known islamophob there issuing fatwa's...

Question: I would like to ask about the ruling of Palestinian women carrying out martyr operations. Fulfilling this mission may demand that they travel alone, without a mahram,[5] and they may need to take off their hijab, the matter which may expose part of their 'awrah.[6] Would you please comment on this? I'd prefer Dr. Qaradawi to answer this urgent question, if you please.

Dr. Qaradawi answers: The martyr operation is the greatest of all sorts of jihad in the cause of Allah. A martyr operation is carried out by a person who sacrifices himself, deeming his life [of] less value than striving in the cause of Allah, in the cause of restoring the land and preserving the dignity. To such a valorous attitude applies the following Qur'anic verse: "And of mankind is he who would sell himself, seeking the pleasure of Allah; and Allah hath compassion on (His) bondmen." (Qur'an, 2: 207)

Suicide is indeed forbidden in Islam, but not 'martyrdom'. In fact, dying for Allah's sake as a martyr ('shaheed') is the greatest reward for a muslim:
1. Sahih Bukhari 4:52:50 "The Prophet said, 'A single endeavor of fighting in Allah's Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.'"

2. Sahih Muslim 20:4706 Messenger of Allah said: Whom do you consider to be a martyr among you? They (the Companions) said: Messenger, of Allah, one who is slain in the way of Allah is a martyr. He said: Then (if this is the definition of a martyr) the martyrs of my Umma will be small in number. They asked: Messenger of Allah, who are they? He said: One who is slain in the way of Allah is a martyr; one who dies in the way of Allah, is a martyr; one who dies of plague is a martyr; one who dies of cholera is a martyr.

3. Sahih Bukhari 4:52:63 "A man came to the Prophet and said, 'Shall I Fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam and then fight.' He became a Muslim and was died syahid. The Prophet said, 'A little work, but a great reward."

4. Sahih Bukhari 4:52:63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam, and was syahid(died in Allah’s cause). Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great reward.'"

5. Sahih Bukhari 4:53:386 "Our Prophet ordered us to Fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a syahid shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"

6. Sahih Muslim 20:4668 "The Messenger said: 'Anybody who equips a warrior going to Fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights ."

7. Sahih Muslim 1:29 "Command For fighting: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]....Abu Bakr said: 'I will definitely Fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will Fight against them even to secure that which they used to pay if they withhold it now.' Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat."

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Brother, let me tell you right now, I am sympathetic to the Native American and his tragic history, but that was not me that did this. I am here as a result of immigrant families that came to the US almost 100 years ago. I do not believe what happened to your people was right or honorable in any way and that part of my history disgusts me. However, I can not go back in time to change this so I have to do my best to live a good honorable life and bide my time here as best I can.


Edit: I think I misunderstood your post just a little and thought you were implying you were Native American. Though I may have misread your post, my position on what happened hasnt changed

This same philosophy goes right along with everyone using the Crusades as excuse for Islamist to blow the crap out of everything they hate. It happened hundreds of years ago. It is not happening now. Get over it. And the whole thing about Bush calling the war on Terror a Crusade....THE MAN WAS A MORON FOR CHRIST SAKES! I think Cheney had to tie his shoes in the morning and you are going to judge the entire west based on one word an idiot got wrong? When he said Crusade, he did NOT mean it in the form of a Christian war against Islam, he was just to stupid to put his thoughts coherently together and went for what he thought would be easiest for him to get across.

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


and we see the stupidity of his comments 10 years later.

maybe the people who elected him are the stupid ones?

maybe people who subscribe to this thread are stupid too

lotsa stupid people in the world

eh....

Originally posted by guessing
reply to post by DerbyCityLights

 

and we see the stupidity of his comments 10 years later.

maybe the people who elected him are the stupid ones?

maybe people who subscribe to this thread are stupid too

lotsa stupid people in the world

eh....

To quote a great movie: "Stupid is as Stupid does."

I dont think calling anyone stupid here will get anything accomplished.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
Considering the Equalities Watchdog has consistently been taken to tribunal for discrimination against it's own staff I can not take what they say seriously.

The government's equalities watchdog, set up to promote human rights and tackle discrimination, has been the ­subject of 15 employment tribunals in which it has been accused of ­sexism, racism and ­discriminating against pregnant women, according to the latest figures.
Source

if they can get their own house in order then I might considering listening to and debating their point of view...

Not fit for purpose springs to mind...

Are there not a few budget cuts needed at the moment? Because I think this this waste of time, and taxpayers money could do with getting rid of..

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


I am half native American , so you got that right, and i completely knwo what you mean.........

Its like i told them earlier, so what if Bush called it a "crusade"

The term is not unique to "religion"

I can have a crusade to feed the hungry, or a crusade to drink all the liqour on broadway......

The point is, sympathizers use crap like that to set up straw men arguments cause they have nothing with any teeth to fight back with!

Good posts man

The actual quote is: Christians are more militant than Muslims in complaining about discrimination

From what I have seen and read, I think I agree. Look at what they did to Prop 8 in Ca. Christians are on a rampage to outlaw abortion and being gay. Why don't they just assimilate? This is 2011! Time to let go of your past attachments and come with us into the future!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The actual quote is: Christians are more militant than Muslims in complaining about discrimination

From what I have seen and read, I think I agree. Look at what they did to Prop 8 in Ca. Christians are on a rampage to outlaw abortion and being gay. Why don't they just assimilate? This is 2011! Time to let go of your past attachments and come with us into the future!

and thats the same as all the christains being killed over seas right now because they arent muslim?

Im sorry but your lil prop 8 bill has nothing on the beheadings and destruction of churches in predominantly muslim countries miss!

Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by BattleFieldPredator

 

When was the last Baptist lady you seen strapping herself with explosives and blowing up a tube train? When did you last hear a Catholic call for the beheading of the "Infidels"?

Provisional Irish Republican Army

Anti-abortion violence

Christian terrorism

edit on 20/6/2011 by Griffo because: (no reason given)

Irish republican terrorism I know something about... Its about money.. They are gangsters... They are NOT Christians..

Originally posted by DerbyCityLights

Originally posted by guessing
reply to post by DerbyCityLights

 

and we see the stupidity of his comments 10 years later.

maybe the people who elected him are the stupid ones?

maybe people who subscribe to this thread are stupid too

lotsa stupid people in the world

eh....

To quote a great movie: "Stupid is as Stupid does."

I dont think calling anyone stupid here will get anything accomplished.

your right ...

if the cap fits.....

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2

Originally posted by BattleFieldPredator


So Christians are more militant than Muslims???

When was the last Baptist lady you seen strapping herself with explosives and blowing up a tube train? When did you last hear a Catholic call for the beheading of the "Infidels"?


www.dailymail.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

I was there, and have been back a few times since..

It was no crusade

None of the people under me wore St George crosses on their combats, nor did we, or have we wore Knights Templar regalia at anytime!

I would not allow it..

When everyone's favourite President, George W. Bush, called the wars in the Middle East a "Crusade".

And the simple fact is they dont need people to strap bombs to their bodies. They just use Artillery, Warships, and "precision" Air Strikes. Pretty dumb to get your troops to become suicide bombers, when they have the technology to bomb enemies from afar.

But I guess you didn't think about that in your little rant.

reply to post by BattleFieldPredator


horse#.

reply to post by BattleFieldPredator


All major religions were invented to manipulate and control humanity period.

“Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest” - Denis Diderot (French man of letters and philosopher, 1713-1784)

Again people TPTB are using basically three things against us.

Dumbing us down
Distracting us
Dividing us

The 50m question you all should be asking is who "They" are.

IMO: We are all like drops of water and "god" is the ocean...........we are all part of what man calls "god".

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
and thats the same as all the christains being killed over seas right now because they arent muslim?

Um, no. I didn't mention violence and neither did the OP's source. The article isn't about violence. It's about complaining about discrimination. Read more than the sensationalistic title.

Im sorry but your lil prop 8 bill has nothing on the beheadings and destruction of churches in predominantly muslim countries miss!

Neither does the OP.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
and thats the same as all the christains being killed over seas right now because they arent muslim?

Um, no. I didn't mention violence and neither did the OP's source. The article isn't about violence. It's about complaining about discrimination. Read more than the sensationalistic title.

Im sorry but your lil prop 8 bill has nothing on the beheadings and destruction of churches in predominantly muslim countries miss!

Neither does the OP.

So you think that being killed over seas in predominantly muslim countries for being christian .....Isnt discrimination?

Just saying

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


What does prop 8 (Whatever that is) have to do with the OP?

Gay marriage?

We love our gays in the UK! Hell, they can even marry here, have babies and as of yesterday, become openly gay clergy in the church of England..

And guess what??

Not one Christian suicide bomber!..

Plenty of Islamic ones though

As soon as I read the thread title I knew this was going to be in Britain.
Muslims do not try to intergrate into anything, they just try to take over wherever they are while blowing stuff up.

And were we ever asked if we wanted them here? No, we were not.

This is why I despise muslims, integrate? they have no intentions of "integrating"

This is just another person pandering to government and standing in for the liberal left. Their version of equality is to take from the hard working and give it to those who do not deserve it. So it's not a surprise that they want to take from the good and righteous and give it to somebody who can't seem to do the right thing consistently. When they see that a group of people aren't behaving well, the first thing they do is blame people who do behave well. Don't ask me why, but secularism tends to not blame the transgressor and instead formulates complex theories to explain how people become bad. So what we get are convoluted quasi-socialist policies where wrongdoing is shared by society rather than dealt with in a more precise manner.

I think the reason muslims are sometimes associated with intolerance is because there's not a lot to like in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabi (even), Niger (government can't seem to stick together, people lack education, in general just another sucky place to live), and so on. Why do so many of these countries practice similar primitive things? Why are so many sucky? I hate it when I'm called racist just simply for pointing out the fact that muslim-dominated countries are oftentimes corrupt or bigoted in the worst ways.

I LOVE this thread!
Especially how some have their heads so far up their asses that they can't imagine WHY the Islamic population are less than please with the way the West--- Especially the USA is conducting itself.

Destabilizing a country by starting an ILLEGAL WAR and dissolving the indigenous leadership, caused the influx of foreign insurgents to Iraq (More than 80% Saudi). Those insurgents in turn targeted the indigenous population and coalition troops to cause mayhem which resulted in a massive loss of life in Iraq. HOW EXACTLY is the USA and the West free of blame? They were the ones who started an illegal war, declawed Iraq, left the borders wide open and essentially welcomed the insurgents to f*ck some sh!t up. More reason for them to stay longer and make money.

That's like disarming all the cops in a city when you know that there is going to be an invasion of criminals and murderers who are after YOU and will do anything and everything to get you, including killing thousands of civvy's.

You can bet your ass that the civilian population of that city will be pissed out, mainly at YOU since they will see YOU as the one that brought this hell upon them by taking away their defense and because your sheer presence there brought the wolves over.

Understand your "opponent" before you start making bull# arguments like "but they be violent peepz DERP! Just look how many they've killed". DAMN RIGHT they are violent if they are forced to live like that because of what the West has done for decades.

There is a WRONG way of conducting warfare and there is a RIGHT way of doing that.
The invasion of Iraq for example was the wrong type of war for the wrong reasons ($$$ and power).

Shame on whoever still doesn't have ANY compassion with the ones we have f*cked up. We destroy entire nations and then go on "but why do they hate us? Faux news tells me that they shouldn't be angry cus we rock... 'Murica, f*ck yeah!". We have to admit our mistakes and stop being so f*cking arrogant. I have.


Edit: Ontopic.

The newspaper guy has a right to voice his opinion but I personally would have preferred if he'd shut the f*ck up since not much of what he's saying is helping.
There is a problem with the integration of Muslims in Europe and him denying that will not help at all. It's rather counter-productive. We need truth without fear and dis-info in order to correct this problem. Everything has a cause which has effects. We need to find the exact cause for the Muslim integration problem (effect) and attack it there. I find it very sad that fear and patriotism can be used as extremely effective tools against the mis-informed to make them do things that they'd normally not do.

As always, education and information are your most important weapon in the 21st century and unreasonable/false fear is your biggest enemy.


IT--

I think the main point here is its a British newspaper, & the British equality head who is quoting this, so I dunno why CA prop 8 ect is being brought up.

The point that muslims are more willing to intergrate is bull# 2nd or 3rd generation british muslims are more prone to be intergrated as they see this as their country so they should, but there are big swaths of City's in Bradford, wakefield, Leeds, Sheffield, Preston, Bedford, Luton, London ect ect which are predominately muslim & they have no interest in joining the greater community.

Bottom line is this "equality" guy is talking out of his ar5e