ExSatanist confesses most child abductions done by and for Satanist Sacrifice Rituals

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Advantage

 

I am more focused on prevention and that we can bust the groups wide open and save lives, the gruesome ways they use victims bodies in the groups, is not something to dwell. Seeing positive, see the groups disbanded, arrested, see rescuerers walking in, vividly send energy to this, and pray/meditate, if others will get together work for this. Safety in numbers. There are things in underground bases, too. Things beyond people's understanding and imagination.

Cannabilism is one thing, and not just them. Some bodies end up in our products. There is no body that is for sure.

edit on 21-6-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

Prevention requires the whole story. Ive worked as an RN for 15 yrs, 10 of those in an ER and currently work within victims advocacy through our local county courthouse for the last 6 yrs. It is pretty routine to know the whole story before you can work on prevention or even understanding the whys or hows. Thats why I took exception to you passing the body disposal, location, or use off as unimportant to this entire discussion and only centering on the sensational side of it. There are real people being effected and their families. The question concerning the bodies is obviously intensely important for investigation, evidence, and especially the victims' families.

Where is this evidence of them being cannibalized, used in products and put in bunkers? Even if these things are verifiable, my question still stands. They do not dematerialize in a puff of smoke. WIth these incredible numbers, there should be very clear evidence of the disposal.

Originally posted by meathed
I laughed as soon as i read the bit about Benny hinn and i didn't read on.
The woman is obviously delusional and a liar, just as delusional as anyone else that can see angels and a halo around Benny Hinn. This is woman is a freak and is just as retarted as the people in the benny hinn mindwashing propaganda cult.

Wait, you mean associating visions of angels and etc with this guy doesnt give anyone legitimacy?!

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I hope this doesnt go into it, I can't focus on that, I say children, not corpses or dismembered remains. Prevention would be as simple as a thorugh investigation but it takes numbers, I was told in my home town it was very highly established, to think ministers, teachers, council members, and doctors, etc. This is not something that would be possible, too much fear, and I imagine guilt. They're not going to police themselves.

You said you worked in the hospital? I just thought of what you might mean, in terms of what kind of abuse or trauma to someone one would look for? A way of being suspicious alert? That might be a good discussion.

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Advantage

 

I hope this doesnt go into it, I can't focus on that, I say children, not corpses or dismembered remains. Prevention would be as simple as a thorugh investigation but it takes numbers, I was told in my home town it was very highly established, to think ministers, teachers, council members, and doctors, etc. This is not something that would be possible, too much fear, and I imagine guilt. They're not going to police themselves.

You said you worked in the hospital? I just thought of what you might mean, in terms of what kind of abuse or trauma to someone one would look for? A way of being suspicious alert? That might be a good discussion.

edit on 21-6-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

If you read on the link I posted a few pages ago ( and google the entire investigation) it shows how forensic evidence and victims are necessary to bring down child killers and abusers, regardless of their political affiliations. The Franklin Coverup was in my opinion the hallmark of investigating these things when those in power are the perpetrators... yet no one even bothers to click a link. You cant just throw out there you THINK there are kids being cannibalized and kept in bunkers with no proof, evidence, victim, or investigation and expect to be taken seriously. You certainly cant prevent anything if you have no clue what you are looking to prevent and only base everything off of as guess or supposition.Wishful thinking/positive thoughts havent stopped the missing child problem, much less even slowed it down, It certainly hasnt brought any perps to justice in order to prevent subsequent victims.

To continue my commentary on p.4, I just saw part 2 of the OP's clips.
This "bride of Satan" seems like a rather pedestrian heroin addict, and a far cry from Rebecca Brown's jet-setting bride of Satan in He came to set the captives free who apparently never touched drugs, and was flown across the globe to meet world leaders (although Brown only specifies the Pope in her wider anti-Catholic propaganda).
Satan sure dropped his standards with this one.
Not the kinda gal Satan would want to send to meet the Pope to discuss world domination.
The rest of the spiritual warfare discourse is fairly typical, especially of the time.
The proxy communion with the wine just takes the cake.
Is that even Biblical?

Although the original date of the footage is not given, it looks like it's from the period of Satanic-panic.
At the time there were witch-hunts. In August 1983 teachers at the St. Martin's preschool were investigated for ritual child abuse, and "by 1986 a total of sixty-four preshools were embroiled in satanic allegations in the LA area alone, but the ripples had spread far and wide". (Michael Newton: Raising Hell: An Encyclopedia of Devil Worship and Satanic Crime. Warner Books:1994 p.79.)
Imagine what it must do to a person to be accused of sacrificing babies and molesting children.
And when it starts anyone can be fingered, being a Christian does not make one safe from the accusations and their social consequences.
While the youth was demonized, and people who worked with children were at risk of having their reputations shattered it was ironic that the only people who were never accused were the top politicians, who were indeed involved in all kinds of occult dealings, from astrology to questionable secret gatherings and societies.
Satan it seemed was everywhere, except in the conservative White House.
Interesting that the devil was seemingly more obsessed with stoner teens than the people who ran multi-billion dollar mega-churches, and those who ran Iran-contra and the wars in Latin America.

Here is some more Satanic-panic nostalgia.
Geraldo Rivera makes a great career move with a special show on Satanism in 1987, as the topic left the churches and entered trash TV.
A tape of this was very popular at my home-cell group back then, mainly because we also got to see footage of Ozzy (who was then considered just second to Satan himself) and some metal music, which was otherwise banned on South African television.
It's 90 minutes and comes in 9 parts.


While many consider this hilarious and debunked today, others will doubtlessly still view it as evidence to their world-view.
Wikipedia does however caution against the inflated numbers of alleged Satanists:

In 1987, he (Geraldo) hosted the first of a series of prime time special reports dealing with an alleged epidemic of Satanic ritual abuse. He stated:
"Estimates are that there are over 1 million Satanists in this country ... The majority of them are linked in a highly organized, very secretive network. From small towns to large cities, they have attracted police and FBI attention to their Satanic sexual child abuse, child pornography and grisly Satanic murders. The odds are that this is happening in your town."
More credible estimates are about 10,000 adult members of religious Satanic churches, temples and grottos as well as 10,000 solitary practitioners of Satanism.[23]

en.wikipedia.org...

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I starred that, not thinking along the lines of evidence as much as crashing it open on their sacrificial nights with muscle recordings and arrests.

The other method never makes it through courts. This has to busted because judges historically don't accept it, which is highly suspicious. This is coming from high levels.

Originally posted by wcitizen
Actually, don't bother to answer..... I'm done discussing anything with you.

does that include all threads, or just this one?

I just don't want to waste bandwidth.

reply to post by halfoldman

Viewing the classic Gerlado show on Satanism again brought back many memories of how close Christian fundamentalists came to dominating wider society by creating social devils in line with their beliefs in a literal devil, and how a lot of charlatans used it to enjoy their moment in the sun, or for killers to excuse their crimes.
Towards the end of the show the condemned murderer Sean Sellers was literally allowed to preach a sermon, with no evidence of any remorse.

How ironic then, that just the following year in 1988, Geraldo had a show on the dangers of Christian fundamentalism. We certainly weren't shown this video in church!

It is interesting to compare the real victims here to the alleged victims of satanism in the former show.
The woman who was raped by a preacher cries throughout, and they show real emotion, unlike the coached children and mothers in the satanism clips, who describe the most heinous crimes in a pretty aggressive, but emotionally cold manner.
What is also interesting is that the fundamentalist cults were identifiable flesh and blood perpetrators, while the millions of satanists - apparently so ubiquitous in middle America - remained invisible bogeymen.

Unfortunately at the time, people couldn't see that all the claims were made by fundamentalist Christians at the mind-controlled fringes of the Moral Majority.

The two shows should have been made together, to demonstrate the social environment in which these narratives arose. The fact is that Geraldo victimized the preshool teachers (who were all found innocent) by allowing their lying accusers to repeat their sick allegations on TV, and these true victims should at least have been included on the show about the dangers of fundamentalism. However, since the witch-hunt was still on-going, I suppose they rather stayed out of the limelight.


Here the show on fundamentalism, and the "zombies for Jesus" churches (again in several parts).





I think it was so hypocritical of Geraldo to allow the two open Satanists (from the Church of Satan and The Temple of Set) on the former show to be insulted, and accused of being liars, when they were the only ones to speak any sense.
Michael Aquinas was told that his religion should come with a warning label, like cigarettes.
Aquinas pointed out such a warning was unnecessary, since neither group ever had any problems with crimes, and that all the people accused of satanic crimes came from a background of Christian instruction about a literal devil, which was not their view in satanism.
Yet, fundamentalism was shown to be potentially harmful, but Geraldo didn't dare say the Bible or Christianity should come with a warning label!

Update on the Holly Greig case.

www.youtube.com...

A massive coverup has gone on regarding the Hollie Greig case. Hollie has Downes Syndrome and was subjected to horrendous sexual abuse from age 6 until she was 20 years of age. The paedophile ring consisted of a High Sheriff [Scottish magistrate], nurses, social workers, lawyers etc.

The FOI Commissioner has ruled that important information requested from the First Minister must be provided by 11 July.

In this interview with Paul Drokton, Robert Green expresses his belief that this case could potentially bring down the Scottish government.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by wcitizen

Thanks for that reference - haven't heard about this case.
It bears none of the hallmarks of satanic-panic (as described by the OP in this thread).
Unfortunately pedophile rings are a reality.
One only needs to consider the Gert van Rooyen case in South Africa, or the Marc Dutroux cases in Belgium.
These cases also caused public outcries, and the lingering suspicion that there were cover-ups to protect the powerful.

When satanic-panic tapered off in the mid-1990s (perhaps a bit earlier in the US) it lost its religious confines, and conspiracy theorists did indeed begin to point the finger at the powerful.
Satanic-panic was very much about the powerful pointing the finger at the powerless (which is why I think all this seduction of the youth, ritual abuse in working class kindergartens, or heroin-addict "brides of Satan" stuff was a diversion).

This is also what bothers me in South Africa, because we had an occult-crimes unit led by the Christian fundamentalist Kobus Jonker.
He can also put on a very shocking show, without clear causal links to any organized satanism.
More recently it seems he has moved to the proven crimes in African traditional black magic (muti).
What I find strange is that in the late 1980's satanic-panic focused on pagans and teenagers, but he never commented much on the case of Gert van Rooyen.
Van Rooyen was involved with the disappearance of 9 white girls (and the known murder of 6 between 1988 -1989), and possibly "executed" by the police in an alleged cover-up. He was also a pastor and linked to the former cabinet (Jonker's former bosses).
This always makes me think that these self-styled "holy people" in the churches, the media and law enforcement are shills to divert attention away from the powerful elite.
That's why I'd say - if you want to find organized malevolent evil, look from where the finger and accusations of satanic-panic are coming.
These people don't believe in a personal devil, they use that to create a composite image of a lower class "satanist".
But they are very malevolent, and I'm sure the malevolence in the way the planet is run is reflected in their private lives.
They are also the only people who have the power and influence to keep their activities private.
So I'd say satanic-panic is rubbish, and breeds harmful hysteria among ordinary people.
But the conspiracy theory that looks at the powerful may well be on to something that involves pedophilia, but also goes beyond it.

(For more on Jonker and Van Rooyen see also: www.abovetopsecret.com...)

This is why I think satanic-panic cheapens the real problems of child abuse and pedophilia.
It's linking a real problem to a constructed problem, and thereby it threatens to obscure it all.
It's using the concept of children for an agenda that doesn't care about children at all.

If they cared about children, why were they not involved in the anti-war movements, when children were being bombed, and child soldiers were recruited by pro-US forces in the Salvadoran war?
Making a fiction out of children, while ignoring the real suffering of children is being anti-child.
Note in the OP's clip 2 how she refers to the narrating woman: "We wanted to get that little girl saved".
Is this a "little girl"?
That has patronizing racial connotations.
Compared to the foreign policies at the time, this was totally misleading.
But perhaps most Americans didn't care at the time, or they didn't even know about the dirty wars - they were too busy chasing satanists to notice.

I saw an episode of "Wife Swap" once, where a fundamentalist Christian wife swapped with New Age wife.
When the Christian returned home she went hysterical.
(In fact, her terrifying performance made her a minor celebrity, and she was swapped again with African Americans, and her Bible-belt relative asked the African American mom: "So, what part of Africa do you come from then?")
Satanic panic pushes a WASP paradigm, which once again points to how it collectively demonizes disempowered social groups.
In fact, note the gender disjuncture between grown men and women in Geraldo's show on satanism. Men (the experts) and women (the emotive accusers) perform different stereotypical roles defined by church history. These 1980's gender roles are then projected onto "satanism". Only male killers are interviewed. At times it's downright homosocial.
Satan, it seems, was not a feminist.
And considering his brides, he's a hot blooded-heterosexual!
Mostly the show is about letting the men talk about "facts" in the studio.

In any case, this is what people were like during satanic-panic.
Conflating this type of extremism to a real social problem is just causing more harm, but that's exactly what fundamentalism does.
And then it's always about Jesus's magical name (which wasn't His name in the fist place).
But the Bride of Satan in the OP clips says the satanists in the church were the superficially "good Christians", and payed more tithes, and obviously the constant repetition of that name didn't bother them or their demons at all!
Very contradictory.
So beware of the tithe-payers! So says our celebrated, monotone Bride of Satan.

Well, here the clip of the fundamentalist wife, as she returns home after she swapped with a New Age family.
And worst of all - they made her go to a Catholic church!
This is exactly what the satanic-panic Christians were like.
Back then you couldn't question anything, or you were "from the devil'.
It's entertaining in the Wife Swap context, but it wasn't funny during satanic-panic, when these people held true power.

When an OP embeds an interesting clip, I like to examine this and expand on the possible context.
I've just viewed it again, as I was searching for material on gender roles in the Christian fundamentalist discourse on satanism.
Now that I'm used to the narrative, and looking for the personality behind it, my heart sinks.
This woman is high as a kite (which gets increasingly obvious as the clip progresses).
This clip is starting to seem very dirty and snuff-like to me, and the Christian framing narrative around the obscured woman appears juxtaposed to her actual condition.
It seems to me now as if it was made by some kind of mafia, and I actually feel fearful for what this woman's fate may have been.

Suddenly this woman seems incredibly high and frightened of the people who are interviewing her at that moment.
She's using some of her fright in the forced narrative, but usually people don't break into frightful tears when they mention being saved.
This lady is terrified of somebody right there in front of her.


But then again, scrolling down this Christian page, Benny Hinn is pretty frightening:
jesusdisciple.webs.com...

Anyway, this is a very subjective post and reading of the clip.

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That is the purpose of DUMBS like Dulce RIO ARRIBA CO, DSD-3.
I often wonder ay my own divinity as I was a combat soldier, it is probably tainted by my nasty intent should I find one of these devotees near enough to grab,fold spindle and mutilate.
I'm just wired that way I guess but if they were trully exposed It would not be my place to do that, despite my martial nature.

Ted Gunderson is a retired FBI Special-Agent-In-Charge


Ted Gunderson - The Satanic Underground

Ted Gunderson:

Child Prostitution, Satanism and the CIA




ETA: These two clips are from the same speaking event.

reply to post by wcitizen

Thanks for that, I haven't heard of Gunderson at all.
So far I can only say that I recall his younger face from the Geraldo show on satanism.
My first feeling was that this guy (I think he was with the FBI) was insincere, and that he thought it was a big joke, but yet what he said also encouraged satanic-panic.
In reality he only said he knew of a group that had their own surveillance, and their own holiday camp.
Since Geraldo wouldn't let his guests finish, he spoke over Gunderson, and now we'll never know what he actually meant.

But it's a topic I'll definitely investigate further.

Kings of Conspiracy - Serpent Worship Part I

Starting at 1 15, a brief blurb from the actor James Earl Jones, and he seems to be very ashamed of the magick in high places.

In fact, those threads where people question whether there was a timeline shift, where they remember celebrities dying.

James Earl Jones was reported on the news having passed away.

They probably didn't want him speaking out and conducted their dark magick walk in ceremony ritual.

That is just a speculation mind you, but it is the kind of world we live in.

Originally posted by halfoldman

This woman is high as a kite (which gets increasingly obvious as the clip progresses).
This clip is starting to seem very dirty and snuff-like to me, and the Christian framing narrative around the obscured woman appears juxtaposed to her actual condition.

The interviewee appears to be full of it in every sense. If it's not completely fake and scripted it appears similar to those "recovered memories" of satanism/child abuse/whatever (so popular in the 80s), where psychoanalysts lead people into believing ridiculously lurid tales. Her story is either outright lies or unconscious confabulation at best.

Originally posted by Unity_99

LAUREL CANYON 1 - 60s Music Hollywood CIA MK-Ultra '___'

Part 1, the rest are on the channel.

www.noonehastodietomorrow.com...

Chilling account of Laurel Canyon, the CIA, rituals, the stars are actually military kids! Just think most famous people didn't win that spot, they were cia/military/black op children or chosen bloodlines.

Charles Manson and his family were there and after he went to jail, look what happened to his members, very endorsed by the new media, who promote their business, and obviously well connected:


www.thedogpress.com...

Best Friends has Katie Couric and the CBS evening news to help solicit donations.
Best Friends wants laws to criminalize dog breeding.
Best Friends wants laws to grant citizen “rescuers” the power to steal your animals.
Best Friends is promoted on the Animal Liberation Front website.

Best Friends is no friend of mine.


Self proclaimed as the richest and "largest animal sanctuary in the United States", meet Best Friends Animal Society aka The Process, Church of the Final Judgment, aka the Four-P Movement, aka The Foundation Church of the Millennium, aka The Foundation Faith of God, aka Best Friends Animal Sanctuary.

This is the way its done and run.

omasiali.wordpress.com...

George Bush was slumming prior to his first election, he was located in a small hickville town in Texas, a kind of gateway for the CIA's drug running for mexico and the member of a satanic group. Well the group members were ritualistically murdered while he disappeared.

He was pursued for these murders by the sheriff's office for some time before Big Daddy Bush told them to buzz off.

Just prior to his first election when questioned about it, he said something to the effect of there being so much wrong in this country that needed fixing, so why dwell on something that may or may not be true?

He was elected anyway. That was on the news in Canada, all this rings a bell. We found it odd that the US would elect a probable murder suspect.

It went further than this, he would sit on death row, and pardon, pyscho killers, but insure the execution of those who should never have been put in jail, such as a mentally challenged teenager, 17 I believe who stabbed her mother in a temper tantrum. She pleaded for her life and he mocked her.

Her mother was crying for her baby.

This is something people need to wake up to, to clear the haze and delusions out of their minds. Apparently all those subliminal messages OBEY everywhere seem to work.

Great post, the person doing the interview in the video is Zeph Daniel he really knows his stuff and has alot of very intresting theories that 99 percent of the time are spot on, i listen to his podcasts all the time, again good post...

ok, I watched those videos.

I want the last 38 minutes of my life back.