Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by colbe
Religions, Christian and non-Christian are man-made. Roman Catholicism, the faith, is from God.
Really? God laid down the Catechism, dogma, ritual, Saints, holidays and sacraments of Catholicism?
It's more than "opinion", how do you explain the god of some disbelievers...science...her tested and retesting of famous miracles that
cannot be explained but all point to Christ?
Testing miracles that lead to Christ? Seriously? Like what?
Thanks for asking... There are a number of science tested
miracles involving the Tilma of Guadalupe (December, 1531). Here's one and it's
one for our time, having the technology to study the image.
God bless you,
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The Mystery in Our Lady's eyes
According to many scientists who have inspected the image, it seems that in her eyes, in both of them and in the precise location as reflected by a
live human eye, could be seen many figures that have been extensively analyzed and seem to correspond to the shape and size of human figures located
in front of the image.
In 1929, Alfonso Marcue, who was the official photographer of the old Basilica of Guadalupe in Mexico City, found what seemed to him to be a clear
image of a bearded man reflected in the right eye of the Virgin. Initially he did not believe what was before his eyes. How could it be? A bearded man
inside of the eyes of the Virgin?. After many inspections of many of his black and white photographs he had no doubts and decided to inform the
authorities of the Basilica. He was told that time to keep complete silence about the discovery, which he did.
More than 20 years later, on May 29, 1951, Jose Carlos Salinas Chavez, examining a good photograph of the face, rediscovers the image of what
clearly appears to be a bearded man reflected in the right eye of the Virgin, and locates it on the left eye too
Since then, many people had the opportunity to inspect closely the eyes of the Virgin on the tilma, including more than 20 physicians,
The first one, on March 27, 1956, was Dr. Javier Torroella Bueno, MDS, a prestigious ophthalmologist. In what is the first report on the eyes of the
image issued by a physician, he certifies what seems to be the presence of the triple reflection (Samson-Purkinje effect) characteristic of all live
human eyes and states that the resulting images are located exactly where they are supossed to be according to such effect, and also that the
distortion of the images agree with the curvature of the cornea.
The same year another ophthalmologist, Dr. Rafael Torrija Lavoignet, examined the eyes of the image with an ophthalmoscope in great detail. He
observed the apparent human figure in the corneas of both eyes, with the location and distortion of a normal human eye and specially noted a unique
appearance of the eyes: they look strangely "alive" when examined. Many other examinations by ophthalmologists have been done of the eyes of the
image on the tilma after these first ones. With more or less details all agree with the conclusions of the ones mentioned above.
A new and interesting kind of analysis of the eyes started in 1979, when Dr. Jose Aste Tonsmann, Ph D, graduated from Cornell University, while
working in IBM scanned at very high resolutions a very good photograph, taken from the original, of the face on the tilma. After filtering and
processing the digitized images of the eyes to eliminate "noise" and enhance them, he reports he made some astonishing discoveries: not only the
"human bust" was clearly present in both eyes, but another human figures were seen as reflected in the eyes too.
Dr. Aste Tonsmann published his last studies on the eyes on the tilma in the book "El Secreto de sus Ojos", with complete details and photographs of
his work . Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of the studies is his conclusion that Our Lady of Guadalupe not only left us her miraculous
image as proof of her apparition but some important messages too. These messages were hidden in the eyes on the image until our times, when new
technologies would allow them to be discovered, when they are most necessary