Originally posted by sprocket2cogWell ill be so brazen as to give you a start point as i belive exactly what your saying
given any two time frames a list of evnts can be found that show time wave type evidence
so if you care to use my dates
how about over 10 years
using 1973-1983 and 1997-2007
as the two ten year time frames.
edit , especially since the op in both threads evades me with an answer containing substantial proof.
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I believe you are trying to prove that we are just "seeing things where there isn't anything" i.e. patterns that don't exist.
For interests sake, use those dates that you posted and come back with resonances. They won't be at all related to TWZ as per Zagari's comments but it
will be interesting to see what you come up with.
If you read the Countdown to Transition thread there is lots of evidence we've posted that supports the theory. Please post evidence that disproves it
in this thread.
A note about that video - I don't consider that a thorough debunking. The author has a very limited understand of TWZ and his arguments don't hold
I think its a question of resolution - you could go through every minor event in history and perhaps find resonances in current times, but the smaller
the scale the more difficult it is to prove a match. This is because as one poster said, floods happen all the time, so do wars, conflicts etc.
Linking one minor revolution to another can easily be seen as shoe-horning. The further down in scale you go the more this becomes apparent - does a
tree falling over in a forest have any connection to a tree falling in the same forest 100 years ago? Well we just don't know and its well beyond our
capability to figure that out for sure right now, but current science says "No".
This doesn't mean TWZ isn't valid its just that the smaller the scale the more bias in interpretation is possible.
If you take a broader view of it things actually lines up pretty well. Our current situation resonates with a few key historic events:
1. The 2nd industrial revolution - when man was first beginning to harness fossil fuels on a mass scale. Our current situation resonates with this
because we have come full circle as it were. We are now seeing the consequences of this change and beginning to realise that we need to change our
systems again. The previous resonance of this was the birth of agriculture in ~6000 BC - also a massive energy revolution which set the human race on
a different path and accelerated the ingression into novelty.
2. Tying in very closely with #1 is communication. During the 2nd Industrial evolution, mass communication started to become possible. Where
previously it may have taken weeks/months to get a letter across the country you could now send it by rail and it would take days. Sailing around the
world may have taken years but with combustion engines it would take months. This meant communication across the planet sped up dramatically and so
did the connectedness of the planet. In the previous resonance (~6000BC), writing was invented at least in part to help manage the new farming
operations. In recent times, we've seen the next stage of this evolution - the internet and a mass Information Technology Communication revolution.
There are even people who say that a Cyber War has begun or is brewing!
3. Economic depression and the creation of the Federal Reserve - The economic depression at the beginning of the 1900s. This resonates with recent
months in which most economies have been doing very poorly. The Federal Reserve was born out of this recession and was supposed to stop further
recessions. This of course failed and the Great Depression happened anyway. In recent years we have seen the GFC and QE/banker bailouts arguably all
engineered by the Fed/International Bankers. Meanwhile people are starting to get pissed off at the Fed and there is even Ron Paul openly calling for
it to be disbanded. All of this close to the resonance of the Fed actually being created in the first place. In other words, we are now seeing the
resonance of our current financial systems and it is manifesting as the system failing as it was ultimately destined to do (because you can't have
infinite expansion forever).
4. WW1, Rise of Hitler and WW2. Today resonates with 1914, which was the year that WW1 started. In recent months we've seen major tension brewing all
over the world but especially the Middle East. Many are saying that we are seeing the beginning of WW3. Meanwhile the US and other western nations are
becoming increasingly like Nazi Germany with growing unrest and Government/Police control tightening.
About resonances: There's no hard and fast definition for the term which makes it difficult to understand at first and easy to dismiss. In terms of
the graph, as Zagari has pointed out, it means that the pattern of the line is identical between one point on the graph and the other. In the real
world it means there is a "theme" to each period of time. Something that is not tangible yet manifests in behaviours of the planet and of our species.
Moreover it means that these "themes" progress through a certain pattern and then repeat themselves. This also happens on smaller scales - one of
McKenna's sayings was that Rome falls 9 times an hour.
So using point #1 about energy - in 6000BC the "theme" of the time was energy. Humans responded to this "theme" by developing farming techniques that
had never been thought of before. This technology proved so successful that it spread out over the globe and allowed humans to support massive
The next time this same theme came around was in the 2nd industrial revolution. This time we responded to the theme by harnessing combustion of fossil
fuels. This gave us amounts of energy that let us do incredible things like power trains and boats, making travel much faster and setting the stage
for even faster human development and expansion.
In the current time, we are responding to this same theme with extreme fear, because now we are on the verge of becoming a global community and it is
a global issue. The fate of our planet may be at stake here. The answer seems obvious - switch to renewable and free energy, which would spark another
revolution into a new way of being and dare I say it a more peaceful one. Alongside this is the development of the internet and its integration into
our lives in a way that is terrifying for many people. The recent release of Mobile Phones with Augmented Reality applications is evidence of this
Also a factor is the mainstream media and global consciousness, since global consciousness is a big part of TWZ IMO - the fact that news is so readily
available and widespread means some things are highlighted while others go unmentioned. This affects the global consiousness and our levels of
conectedness. This is a problem because, for example, something may happen in 2007 and go unreported. But then in 2009 the media gets ahold of it and
stirs up a massive frenzy. We then need to ask ourselves if the resonance for that even would be for 2007 or 2009 and it could go either way.
My view is that changes in global consciousness are very significant and so the RESPONSE to a particular event may be more important than the event
itself. For example the death of Michael Jackson was not particularly novel in itself (celebrities die every day), but what was significant is that on
that day, a large chunk of the people on earth all shared the same experience and turned their minds to his life, his music and his death.
Novelty can be roughly equated to complexity in that McKenna believed the universe was a "Novelty Conserving Engine" (i.e. things get more and more
complex). Complexity can be roughly equated to connectedness when talking in terms of networks (like social media, our brains, the internet or the
collective consciousness). Therefore, when there is a high level of connectedness or complexity in the collective consciousness, this will register as
IMO one possible outcome of all of this is humans becoming connected to each other. Whether it is a spiritual awakening or the integration of the
internet into our consciousness (or both), one day soon we may see a major shift in perspective towards us being individuals, but also all being one.
Imagine if you could hear the thoughts of other people and feel the emotions of those around you - how could you lie, cheat, steal or kill? Imagine if
the entire knowledge of the human race was instantly accessible by you in an instant? What need would there be for schools?
A man can dream...a man can dream
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