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Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by theursprachist
Hmmm.
I understand your annoyance and I recognize that the lack of a consistent criterion has hindered Timewave research until now. If you read my previous posts, you'll notice that I put forth genetic novelty as the only kind of novelty measured by the Wave. Therefore, I start by saying that its novelty happens only under procreation.
But sexual reproduction does not lead to new genes, only the mixing of genes. You specifically state procreation and not mutations or new genes.
This method will work for the years before the start of genetic engineering.
Why would that be necessary. There are billions of people not involved in genetic engineering. What influence could that have today?
For instance, McKenna points out a resonance between Ancient Egypt and Nazi Germany. Notice that both civilizations had similar effects on the migration of Jews.
This is a non-starter. There were never any large number of Hebrews in ancient Egypt. There was never any Exodus.
Genetic novelty does not mean mutation or new genes. Genetic novelty means that the offspring has a genome very different from each one of his parents, which also means that the parents have a genome very different from each other.
The Wave measures genetic novelty, not the "influence" of this novelty on any other realm, no matter if it happens with billions of people or inside a lab.
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by theursprachist
Genetic novelty does not mean mutation or new genes. Genetic novelty means that the offspring has a genome very different from each one of his parents, which also means that the parents have a genome very different from each other.
This sounds rather contrived since the genotype is not the phenotype.
The Wave measures genetic novelty, not the "influence" of this novelty on any other realm, no matter if it happens with billions of people or inside a lab.
Are you actually claiming that this measures some concept that is not measurable since it involves only humans and possibly very few at that?
Are you claiming that this is more likely to measure still births due to genetic abnormalities, and Downs, and other genetic issues?
You may measure genetic novelty due to procreation by comparing the genomes of both parents.
If their offspring has suffered from dramatic genetic abnormalities, this will become a genetic novelty only if it procreates with others who have not gone through the same mutation. The genome of the offspring does not matter in terms of genetic novelty until it becomes a parent.
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by theursprachist
You may measure genetic novelty due to procreation by comparing the genomes of both parents.
If their offspring has suffered from dramatic genetic abnormalities, this will become a genetic novelty only if it procreates with others who have not gone through the same mutation. The genome of the offspring does not matter in terms of genetic novelty until it becomes a parent.
So if A and B have an offspring C, then C adds to novelty unless it is considered an abnormality?
Or is it that C is not considered until C has an offspring no matter if C has abnormalities or not?
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Cecilofs
It resonates with the 2nd industrial revolution
You have no evidence for this claim other than the plot. You are shoehorning. You have no idea what a resonance is other than treating the plot as a holy book.
400,000 BC resonates with ~4300 BC, October 1914, June 10 2011.
You follow this with more shoehorning. It is just one "holy scripture" comment after another. This is the sort of ridiculous thing that people are calling TWZ evidence. It is not.
which makes it difficult to track the resonances forward.
This comment is an admittance that you are doing nothing more than shoehorning.
Respect for making stereo sit up and listen. Condolences that he will find a minute spelling mistake or grammatical error and harp on about it for the next 10 pages. Like he did in the other thread, where his question about the fractal dimension has already been answered twice, but he comes into this thread and posts that it hasn't. Now who is the liar here?
Both events involved:
- A novel idea by a person/group of people.
- A global change in consciousness of humans.
- A global change in behaviour of humans.
- A massive expansion of human populations due to increased food supply.
- A novel way to harness energy/increase the amount of energy available for humans to use.
- A change in how we communicate (Invention of writing -> Mass scale postage -> Information Communication Technology).
- Increased flow of goods, services and people themselves between populations.
Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
OK Ill have a crack
All the connections Ive seen between past and present events seem weak at best, normally its about 2 semi related incidents.
For example a fire happening in 2 years 60 years apart, Im pretty sure serious bushfires happen on a yearly basis.
MAY 2010, THAILANDIA CIVIL WAR and... 1847 MEXICAN- AMERICAN WAR...
JUNE 2010, KYRGIZ RIOTS and... 1850 TAIPING REBELLION
JULY 2010 WIKILEAKS and... INAUGURATION OF INTER-CONTINENTAL TELEGRAPH,
1858 JULY 2010 PAKISTAN FLOODS and... GRENOBLE FLOOD 1859
Now other than the general details what is it exactly that ties these together?
1st one, 1 is civil war 1 is international war. Both of which happen on a yearly basis
2nd one, 1 is a riot 1 is a rebellion, apart from mindless violence and bloodshed what do these 2 situations have in common, again these things happen all the time.
3rd one, I fail to see any connection at all
4th one, yep both floods but once again THEY HAPPEN EVERY YEAR!!!!!!!!!!
Without me going thru the timeline piece by piece can you give me some credible examples?
Preferably something along the lines of the whole Abraham Lincoln/JFK assasination coincidence thing, provide a few pieces of evidence like that and you can consider me a convert
Originally posted by stereologistYou act as if these events are novel and happened at specific times. These events happened over long periods of time. The events were not global. They were localized events that spread. There was no massive expansion in human populations, or maybe you want to show us links to allow us to see what you mean by massive. Here I am questioning the increase at the development of agriculture. You think that this was a novel way to harness energy? You think that this was invented at that time? You think that agriculture and the invention of writing happened at the same time?
I think I get it. You are listing things from one place and not taking the time to see that related issues occurred at the other time.
All we are seeing here is assigning events to match the plot - shoehorning.
Ok so you can look at other thematically related things. That was just an example. Maybe things like nuclear energy, renewable energy, coal mining and see where they lay on the graph.
Originally posted by stereologist
My claim is that 1890 is one of the defining years for the present. So how about it folks. Was 1890 a novel year or not?
If I were a TWZ fan I'd be making all sorts of noise that 1890 resonates with 1968. These years are so tightly linked through direct technological inventions that it is amazing.
No one has dared to address my claims. Why is that?
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Cecilofs
I gave a list of years early on in the thread and asked if any were novel. One of those years was 1890 and people refused saying I was just trying to do a gotcha. Actually I was running a test.
Spaceflight has nothing whatsoever to do with 1890 being in my opinion a novel year. Something much more stunning and directly affecting people forever happened in that year.
If TWZ can be "mined" for resonances, then there must be these resonances that connect 1890 to other novel events showing how 1890 is novel.
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by theursprachist
Very cool information, but that is not what makes the year 1890 so novel in my opinion. An important event takes place then that leads right into the modern era.
Instead of guessing we should be looking for information from the TWZ for years that resonate with 1890 to see what sorts of things are common to each year. Isn't that what we should be doing?edit on 23-6-2011 by stereologist because: (no reason given)