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......I,don't question my Lord,I,know he only wants the best for me.He is my father,he created us.I,have faith and trust in his word. Jesus died on the cross for all of us.Gods will is that no one die,hurt,cry.....He only wants the best for us.He loves us so much. Remember FOR A TIME AND A SEASON,SATAN IS THE RULER OF EARTH.
As for praying, you keep coming up with the words "Will of God" Do you not question his will, not even in the slightest? God admits that he's jealous (of who?), to making mistakes, and to needing help. There are also numerous examples that he's not omnipresent, omnipotent. Right off the top of my head, "Cain, where is your brother?"
Deuteronomy 12:31
You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods
Jeremiah 19v5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.
Psalm 106v35-37,39
but they mingled with the nations and adopted their customs...They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to false gods. They defiled themselves by what they did...
Originally posted by venusstarlite
reply to post by venusstarlite
Prove to me,that God doesn't exist.....I,say he does!
Also Jesus exist!
Originally posted by Leahn
Am I the only one that noticed that:
* His null hypothesis is not a null hypothesis, at all, but actually the opposite hypothesis.
* There is a presumption of correctness on his premises determining God's motivations and intentions.
* There is a presumption that God would cooperate, by breaking His own rules for the OP experiment's sake.
The "experiment" is a no-go from the start!
The gentiles and priests had him killed........not,God
First, Jesus wasn’t merely human. If He were, then His sacrifice would have also been a temporary one because one human life couldn’t possibly cover the sins of the multitudes who ever existed... Neither could one finite human life atone for sin against an infinite God...The only viable sacrifice must be an infinite one...which means only God Himself could atone for the sins of mankind
1 John 4v2-3
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist...
Hebrews 2v17
For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people
Originally posted by Leahn
Am I the only one that noticed that:
* His null hypothesis is not a null hypothesis, at all, but actually the opposite hypothesis.
* There is a presumption of correctness on his premises determining God's motivations and intentions.
* There is a presumption that God would cooperate, by breaking His own rules for the OP experiment's sake.
The "experiment" is a no-go from the start!
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by LiveEquation
Jephthah. See Judges 11:1-12:7. Jephthah makes a deal that he will sacrifice whatever first comes out of his door to greet him when he returns home if God ensures victory in the coming battle. Jephthah wins the battle, comes home, and the first thing to come out of his house to greet him is his daughter rather than something like a goat or the family dog.
He sacrifices her.
Judges 11:32
So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands.
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by LiveEquation
Jephthah. See Judges 11:1-12:7. Jephthah makes a deal that he will sacrifice whatever first comes out of his door to greet him when he returns home if God ensures victory in the coming battle. Jephthah wins the battle, comes home, and the first thing to come out of his house to greet him is his daughter rather than something like a goat or the family dog.
He sacrifices her.
You neglected to mention that God was not privy to that "deal." It was all in the mind of Jephthah, who did admit that he had made his oath foolishly.
Originally posted by bogomil
That's your subjective choice, as is your self-contained, self-proving circle-argumentation and your way of presenting it.
Many of us outside this rather small 'bubble' of yours, operate from much bigger and better validated 'bubbles', e.g. science/logic/objectivity, from where we DO ask and test ('bigger' does not include fantasies etc in this context).
But don't fear, very few here (if any) are suggesting to oppress christianity, no matter what 'answers' eventually are found. Non-theists usually only request, that christians take their egalitarian place together with everybody else, independent of faith.edit on 7-6-2011 by bogomil because: addition and precision
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Lazarus Short
Let me put on my loud, booming "read the Bible" voice.
*Ahem*
Judges 11:32
So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands.
If Yahweh was not privy to the deal, why is he given credit for delivering the Ammonites into the hands of Jephthah?edit on 8/6/11 by madnessinmysoul because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bogomil
I'm not a bible-verse citing expert, far from it. But I'm quite at home on the general subject of ideology.
So riddle me this: Who made a 'deal', including all mankind, on the exclusive doctrine of redemption. And on what authority was this 'deal' made.
I never signed that contract, but I'm daily told, that I am part of it. I don't even believe in the basic situation, which is an embellished fairytale to me, around this deal. If I protest publicly, I'm told, that I'm persecuting somebody's 'right' to constantly trying to convert me.edit on 8-6-2011 by bogomil because: additional clarification