Originally posted by captaintyinknots


So if we all 'just do what we are told' it will be ok.

Ahhh yes, good old american freedom.

Seems to work for 99% of the people. It is the people that don't do as they are told that takes freedoms away from the rest of us. The more idiots that want to be uncivilized the more ammunition the government has to keep pasing new more restrictive laws. For every law passed there was some idiot that caused that law to be made and now the rest of us have to follow to. This is not a "sheeple" debate either. This is common decency and civility.

What exactly would the point be for not following an officers demands? They don't just randomly pull people aside like the TSA does. They have to have probable cause. Something you clearly seem to not understand. I find it funny 99% of he population have zero issues with the poilce but yet the 1% is always innocent.

Originally posted by jaydeePNW

Originally posted by captaintyinknots


So if we all 'just do what we are told' it will be ok.

Ahhh yes, good old american freedom.

Seems to work for 99% of the people. It is the people that don't do as they are told that takes freedoms away from the rest of us. The more idiots that want to be uncivilized the more ammunition the government has to keep pasing new more restrictive laws. For every law passed there was some idiot that caused that law to be made and now the rest of us have to follow to. This is not a "sheeple" debate either. This is common decency and civility.

What exactly would the point be for not following an officers demands? They don't just randomly pull people aside like the TSA does. They have to have probable cause. Something you clearly seem to not understand. I find it funny 99% of he population have zero issues with the poilce but yet the 1% is always innocent.

Really? So not doing as I am told, regardless of circumstance, makes me an idiot? Not doing what I am told, by someone who has not right to tell me what to do, makes it my fault?

I seem to be going to this Franklin quote a lot these days:

""He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."

Apparently, as a country, we will gladly give up freedom for safety. And that is just sad. Our forefathers would roll over in their graves.

A cop does NOT have to have probable cause to stop you. YOU obviously do not understand. In fact, there is a thread going on about this right now. Reasonable suspicion and Terry stops do not require probable cause.

Nice try though.

The majority of tyranny and genocide in recent history has taken place because people just did what they were told.

1) No need for the name calling, especially when you are the one who is wrong. Probable cause IS NOT required to make a stop.

2)Probable cause does not give a cop the right to "do what they do". No matter the circumstances, cops have rules, just like everyone else.

3)I still do not have to comply. I have the right to remain silent at all times.

4)Again, the ad hom, name calling and insults are uncalled for, and a sign of someone with a low IQ. You can do better.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots




1) No need for the name calling, especially when you are the one who is wrong. Probable cause IS NOT required to make a stop.

2)Probable cause does not give a cop the right to "do what they do". No matter the circumstances, cops have rules, just like everyone else.

3)I still do not have to comply. I have the right to remain silent at all times.

4)Again, the ad hom, name calling and insults are uncalled for, and a sign of someone with a low IQ. You can do better.

I didn't call anyone a name. I implied you are making yourself look like an idiot which is my opinon. I didn't call you an idiot. I said idiots are the reason we have so many stupid laws we have to follow. You are indeed wrong as probable cause is more than sufficiant. Look up the laws yourself. You are stateing that you are above the law which is what people seem to be claiming of the police. Seems like hypocrisy to me.

Yes you have the right to be silent but to what end? If you did nothing wrong why be silent? How is being silent in your best intresst unless you did something against the law? In that case you are not complying by being silent.

It sounds to me like you want to be above the law. You are right cops do have rules to follow and when they are questioned on if they followed the rules they have to get independant investigations on what happened. Why is it that most people that comply with the police never get charged or are not even detained? Why is it that most law abiding citizens have no issues with the police? Why is only a few that seem to have had negative experience or simply don't like authority seem to have issues?

If everyone had civility and common decency we would not need police however that clearly isn't the case,

I'm scared to comment now as I got 2 warning on just 1 post yesterday...But, I will comment anyway..If I get another warning, so be it...Cops need to be all castrated as a requirement of becoming a police officer...If I were their captain I would make them all wear Pink To-To also and lace panties.. Thugs, and rough cops give the decent ones a bad name..Why don't the goods ones get these thug cops out of their unit? Don't cover this up like you would do a piece of excrement....Expose it and let the sewage dept. get rid of them.....

reply to jaydeePNW


1)This is the last time I will let you take me off topic. Saying someone is making themself look like an idiot, and telling them to pull their head out, is against the TOC, and is unnecessary. If you cannot argue your point without doing it, you obviously have no point.

2)I never said probable cause wasnt sufficient to make a stop. I said it wasnt necessary to make a stop. And its not. You were wrong-quit trying to justify it.

3)I have the right to be silent, and the right not to comply. The reasoning is irrelevant-IT IS MY RIGHT.

4)On the contrary, I live well within the law. I want to make it clear that COPS are not outside the law.

5)If you think only a few have had negative experiences with cops, I want to live where you do. That is simply a lie.

6)If everyone was civil and decent, there would be no crime. So you are right, there would be no need for cops. But there IS crime. If I am living civilly and decently, why should I have to forfeit my right to privacy because of the few that dont?

here at ats if anyones wants to make a change
make a list of the corrupts name and addresses

i bet those who are willing to act will bring change quickly if those names and addresses are posted for those who are willing to act

i know personally im sick of seeing these situations and no one does anything about them, we know who these people are committing these acts, i say we make them disappear from this planet

or we can just keep having threads about them and keep complaining and achieving nothing

i say this to people whos only reply in these threads are that cops do good too

"cops do good things too"

YEA?!

so did hitler

he wouldnt have gained as much control and popularity in his country which allowed him to come to power without doing SOME GOOD


so why dont you people leave these threads, stop kissing cops asses online and go praise hitler with your same logic

Problem is "most jobs" if you screw up, you get reprimanded by you boss, you come up short a little money, at worst some equiment gets brokens, but it's all "material things.

If a cop makes a mistake lives are on the line. Irreplacable. BIG difference.

Showing 10 clips of someone screwing up at work, while shocking, when you think about it, the average worker screws up probably everyday. But lives are not on the line.

I'm not defending these cops in these videos, they clearly screwed up, but remeber their job is MUCH different, and screwing up has terrible consequences.

For every video of a cop messing up. There's probably hundreds, where I say. Lord where do these guys get thier patience from. With an angry drunk ect, and I think, man, I would have beat the piss out of that Drunk who was coming at me, and being athreat ect, ect.

I dunno if I'm making my point clear. It's just that when your job deals in life and death situations. Everything is under a HUGE magnifying glass.

wow those are some crazy vids. Alot of the police force seem to think they make their own rules. We as a people need to stand up for ourselves. Stop taking this abuse by these thugs.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to jaydeePNW


1)This is the last time I will let you take me off topic. Saying someone is making themself look like an idiot, and telling them to pull their head out, is against the TOC, and is unnecessary. If you cannot argue your point without doing it, you obviously have no point.

2)I never said probable cause wasnt sufficient to make a stop. I said it wasnt necessary to make a stop. And its not. You were wrong-quit trying to justify it.

3)I have the right to be silent, and the right not to comply. The reasoning is irrelevant-IT IS MY RIGHT.

4)On the contrary, I live well within the law. I want to make it clear that COPS are not outside the law.

5)If you think only a few have had negative experiences with cops, I want to live where you do. That is simply a lie.

6)If everyone was civil and decent, there would be no crime. So you are right, there would be no need for cops. But there IS crime. If I am living civilly and decently, why should I have to forfeit my right to privacy because of the few that dont?

edit on 29-5-2011 by captaintyinknots because: (no reason given)

1) So I can't have an opinion and share it? That is what you are saying. I agree on the head up ass thing that was out of line I should have worded it better, sorry. However I do believe you are making yourself look like an idiot and I have no intention of censoring that. Do I believe you are an idiot? No, however how you state things isn't very well put. I may have the same problem here myself.

2) I covered that in a post above however it is semantics really.

3) What is your definition of not complying? Mine is resisting arrest. If a cop comes up to you with no intention of detaining or arresting and you refuse to give them any information then fine, however I have no idea why you wouldn't if you had nothing to hide. If they have probable cause to arrest you then not complying with their arrest is unlawful. I am not sure what your issue is. I must have missed it. You can be silent all you want but you sill have to comply with the police.

4) Yes, I agree. Thats why there is a internal affairs division. Bad cops do get busted and fired and even go to jail themselfs. They also get reprimanded. Most people don't see that side of it I guess. Easier to cry foul when every anti-cop idiot puts up a youtube vid of misconduct. Here where I live a guy got shot by a cop and it took three independant reviews, one civilian, before the cop was freed from charges.

5) Very few people I know have any issues with the law enforcment. There are 500,000 people in this area, if more than a tiny percentage had issues things would be more obvious. It isn't. People may gripe about it but when they have to call 911 the cops are their best friends. Funny how that works.

6) I have no clue what you are on about I guess. How exactly are you giving up any rights to privacy? Maybe I am arguing the wrong issue.

I am 34 years old and had to deal with the police 5 times that I can remember and not one of those times did I have a problem with how they conducted themselfs.

If you guys want to know how well USA police handle themselfs then go look at videos (not on yourtube) of police in many 3rd world countries. They just shoot you in the street no questions asked. You have it very damn good in this country and it is people that take advantage of that that ruins it for the rest of us. Can the police do better? Sure, but is it to much to ask that criminals do less crime?