Originally posted by Alien Abduct
... you to stand up and take action.

Such as?

And dont simply ask for more violent retaliation against the police (as some on ATS have already suggested), because that just further entrenches their current attitude that "every citizen is a dangerous criminal".
Every time a citizen kills a cop, cops become more antagonistic towards citizens.

So I obviously didn't read every one of these yet, I have seen most of the stories already though.

This is interesting to me as I was just standing out front having a smoke and watched an officer gunning it down a residential street then a minute later gunning it down the main street. These guys in my town drive completely recklessly at night. Like they are immune to rules and can drive like a 17 year old boy showing off for any imagined issue.

What you are showing is the worst case scenario. What we don't hear about are the minor incidents that happen daily. I watched a cop hit someones pet cat because they made an illegal U turn at a high speed probably to pull over someone with a headlight out. I have had one knife stolen from me when I was searched without probable cause. I can rattle off hundreds more from friends. And I am a law abiding relatively clean cut white guy with an upper middle class upbringing. And yes this does make a difference.

To my point, I want Law Enforcement Officers to be better paid, I want them to be able to do their jobs. But I feel any claim against a LEO should immediately be tried in a court with a jury of 12. All punishments need to be double or triple what an average citizen would suffer for the same crime. Cops aren't regular people. Sorry. They are people who have chosen a life of serving the people in exchange for monetary compensation and the feeling of contributing to their society and possibly for the power. I don't really care why.

Bottom line: We give them trust to serve and protect. All violations should be met as one would treat a traitor. I personally would like to see them put to death. Treason against those you swore to protect is far worse than any murderer, rapist, thief, or drug dealer.

But thats just one man's opinion.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by Alien Abduct
... you to stand up and take action.

Such as?

And dont simply ask for more violent retaliation against the police (as some on ATS have already suggested), because that just further entrenches their current attitude that "every citizen is a dangerous criminal".
Every time a citizen kills a cop, cops become more antagonistic towards citizens.

well, yeah but did you think about switching the roles?
Every time a cop kills a citizen, citizens become more antagonistic towards cops.
Is that not true? One very big difference is sometimes these cops never even get punished. When a citizen harms an officer you can damn well count on them being beaten and or jail time.. but often times the cops get off scotch free.

One should take a more realistic approach to this subject and not become paranoid about cops enough to believe cop brutality is "coming to a home near you". This is fear-mongering more than anything. Not all cops are bad. In fact, there should be some statistics to compare the number of good cops vs bad, if possible.

So many people here on ATS and elsewhere fail to look at both sides of the story when seeing a cop use excessive force. Excessive force is wrong in most cases but in others excessive force is needed if the suspect is resisting arrest. Some of you are so paranoid and one-sided.

If there are any intelligent ATSers out there, then you'd note that the massive number of videos showing cop brutality in random instances, from different areas, can be propaganda as much as "cops are your friend" videos can. You guys need to wake up and realize you are being indoctrinated to distrust and hate cops all the while politicians are the ones you need to hate and distrust!!!!

Originally posted by DevilJin
One should take a more realistic approach to this subject and not become paranoid about cops enough to believe cop brutality is "coming to a home near you". This is fear-mongering more than anything. Not all cops are bad. In fact, there should be some statistics to compare the number of good cops vs bad, if possible.

So many people here on ATS and elsewhere fail to look at both sides of the story when seeing a cop use excessive force. Excessive force is wrong in most cases but in others excessive force is needed if the suspect is resisting arrest. Some of you are so paranoid and one-sided.

If there are any intelligent ATSers out there, then you'd note that the massive number of videos showing cop brutality in random instances, from different areas, can be propaganda as much as "cops are your friend" videos can. You guys need to wake up and realize you are being indoctrinated to distrust and hate cops all the while politicians are the ones you need to hate and distrust!!!!

The fear isn't about the police brutalizing people. It is about them getting away with it and them protecting their own when they do. It is the small stuff, the attitudes, and their belief they are above reproach. Unfortunately the criminal (in)justice system sees it this way most of the time too.

I disagree that there are many good cops. There are some good cops but saying many would be a stretch. When I get pulled and a cop is being condescending and rude he should be written up for poor customer service. Instead nothing I just have to listen to it and take it. Anyone else I'm paying treats me like that I am not giving them my business.

Andy Griffith would be a good cop if he was real. He is who cops should aspire to. Humble, friendly, polite, respectful, and more concerned with helping the citizens than writing them a ticket, or arresting them for something stupid.

Instead we get guys who think the uniform will get them some tail and are stoked to be able to carry a gun around.

So no, I don't think me or my family is going to be beaten by a cop. I'm also not going to be mouthing off to cop to piss them off until they beat me. I want to see only the highest caliber of professional working in law enforcement.

Maybe the answer is 100% video monitoring while an officer is OTJ and have volunteer citizen oversight to review the videos whenever there is a complaint and hold the department liable on behalf of the citizens. Then maybe you would have someone to complain to who isn't another cop and get you targeted.

Most people have no issues with the police what so ever because they never done anything to cause the police to put attention on them. If you cop haters had to deal with what they deal with everyday, day in day out, you would make some errors now and then also. If you don't think cops get in trouble then just type in "cops fired" in google and hit the news link. Police deal with so many stupid people everyday I have no idea how they manage as well as they do.

The real issue is not the police acting above the law but citizens acting like they don't have to obay the law. 99 times out of a 100 if the person simply did as instructed by the officer nothing would have happened. Instead they entice the police to take more drastic action and then the police are labled the bad guy.

Originally posted by DevilJin

So many people here on ATS and elsewhere fail to look at both sides of the story when seeing a cop use excessive force. Excessive force is wrong in most cases but in others excessive force is needed if the suspect is resisting arrest. Some of you are so paranoid and one-sided.

Actually, excessive force is never needed. There is a term called "Reasonable Force". Anything beyond that is illegal.

Originally posted by jaydeePNW
Most people have no issues with the police what so ever because they never done anything to cause the police to put attention on them. If you cop haters had to deal with what they deal with everyday, day in day out, you would make some errors now and then also. If you don't think cops get in trouble then just type in "cops fired" in google and hit the news link. Police deal with so many stupid people everyday I have no idea how they manage as well as they do.

The real issue is not the police acting above the law but citizens acting like they don't have to obay the law. 99 times out of a 100 if the person simply did as instructed by the officer nothing would have happened. Instead they entice the police to take more drastic action and then the police are labled the bad guy.

So if we all 'just do what we are told' it will be ok.

Ahhh yes, good old american freedom.

cops are paid for thugs

they are not here to protect

or to serve you

only their corporate sponsors