Originally posted by jaydeePNW
1) So I can't have an opinion and share it? That is what you are saying. I agree on the head up ass thing that was out of line I should have worded it
better, sorry. However I do believe you are making yourself look like an idiot and I have no intention of censoring that. Do I believe you are an
idiot? No, however how you state things isn't very well put. I may have the same problem here myself.
2) I covered that in a post above however it is semantics really.
3) What is your definition of not complying? Mine is resisting arrest. If a cop comes up to you with no intention of detaining or arresting and you
refuse to give them any information then fine, however I have no idea why you wouldn't if you had nothing to hide. If they have probable cause to
arrest you then not complying with their arrest is unlawful. I am not sure what your issue is. I must have missed it. You can be silent all you want
but you sill have to comply with the police.
4) Yes, I agree. Thats why there is a internal affairs division. Bad cops do get busted and fired and even go to jail themselfs. They also get
reprimanded. Most people don't see that side of it I guess. Easier to cry foul when every anti-cop idiot puts up a youtube vid of misconduct. Here
where I live a guy got shot by a cop and it took three independant reviews, one civilian, before the cop was freed from charges.
5) Very few people I know have any issues with the law enforcment. There are 500,000 people in this area, if more than a tiny percentage had issues
things would be more obvious. It isn't. People may gripe about it but when they have to call 911 the cops are their best friends. Funny how that
6) I have no clue what you are on about I guess. How exactly are you giving up any rights to privacy? Maybe I am arguing the wrong issue.
I am 34 years old and had to deal with the police 5 times that I can remember and not one of those times did I have a problem with how they conducted
If you guys want to know how well USA police handle themselfs then go look at videos (not on yourtube) of police in many 3rd world countries. They
just shoot you in the street no questions asked. You have it very damn good in this country and it is people that take advantage of that that ruins it
for the rest of us. Can the police do better? Sure, but is it to much to ask that criminals do less crime?
1)You sure can. However, when, in stating that opinion on this PRIVATE MESSAGE BOARD, you cant refrain from jumping to immature insults, it'll get
removed. Pretty simple.
2)It is not semantics, they are two very different levels of suspicion.
3)Again, I have every right not to comply with police. Once I am under arrest, I lose some of those rights. Until then, I really dont have to do much
of anything. Once under arrest, I still only have to comply with the physical demands the officer makes. I do not have to say a word to them. The
reason is irrelevant. The point is I DONT HAVE TO JUST BECAUSE A COP SAYS SO.
4)I fully understand the investigations of police after the fact. That changes nothing about what I have said.
5)Again, can I come where you live? Sounds MUCH nicer than where i do (although i am guessing in actuality, we live relatively close...PNW, yeah?).
6)I do think maybe we have crossed issues here, and for my part in that, I apologize.
The argument of "its worse in other places" is irrelevant. There is ALWAYS somewhere that it is worse. Does that mean we should not strive to make it
better where we are?
It sounds like you have been lucky to not have had any bad experiences with the cops. I cannot say the same. I have NEVER in my life been arrested
for, let alone convicted of, a crime. I have been in cuffs, maced, and injured by cops more than once, though. Think about that for a second.
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