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Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by Antiquated1
common, do you really think that a blog or website compares to a publisher? If he was to do that no one would get the information. What would he do advertise his blog and expect to be taken seriously?
When someone sues you you have to respond. That usually involves lawyers. It’s a crazy concept, I know.
Originally posted by Tonosama
That isn't entirely true. This birther issue hasn't actually seen a courtroom yet. Every time someone files Obama's lawyers
Unsubstantiated claim.
upon which he has spent millions
The doctrine of standing wasn’t created just for birther lawsuits. What you are arguing here, in effect, is for the courts not to apply the law because you think your case has merit. That’s not how it works.
have the case thrown out on a technicality know as "standing". What that means is that they are saying that the individual doesn't have the right to question the big O's legitimacy
Because, like the courts explained, the qualifications for office, and removal from office certainly, is delegated, by the Constitution, to a political department, namely Congress.
that the only people that can do that are those in congress.
If Congress “can do it” it’s not “an impossible situation.”
So, since only congress can do it ... This is, of course, an impossible situation.
The reason why no one has standing is because no one that has sued so far has an individualized injury, but, and more importantly, at this point, the courts can’t offer relief. It’s Congress that has the power to remove a sitting President, not the courts.
The reason no one can show that they are harmed is because all of the stupid stuff Obama has done
If a court would hear your “BC issue” it would go equally down in flames. Obama’s birth certificate is prima facie evidence of his birth. Unless you have undeniable proof Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii it would go something like this—
Not one argument has been heard on the BC issue so it is FALSE to state that the courts have already ruled.
Chicago Magazine reported that "just before the September 11th attacks," Richard Elrod, a city lawyer injured in the Weathermen's Chicago "Days of Rage," received an apology from Ayers and Dohrn for their part in the violence. "[T]hey were remorseful," Elrod says. "They said, 'We're sorry that things turned out this way.'"[30]
Originally posted by Antiquated1
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Antiquated1
That is just deflection and obfuscation. The implication of the resolution is that both the parents must be American citizens at the time of birth, which Barrys Dad was not, no matter where Barry was born.
No, it is the truth. Please show me the resolution in full and explain how you find that implication.
You do know it was a non-binding resolution right? From the same people that "resolved" that Hawaii is Obama's birthplace. Let me guess, what they actually do and say does not matter, just what you think it really meant.
Originally posted by earthdude
So, all the people who wanted Arnold to be able to run for president are reversing their stance on who can be president. How convienient.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by Antiquated1
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Antiquated1
That is just deflection and obfuscation. The implication of the resolution is that both the parents must be American citizens at the time of birth, which Barrys Dad was not, no matter where Barry was born.
No, it is the truth. Please show me the resolution in full and explain how you find that implication.
You do know it was a non-binding resolution right? From the same people that "resolved" that Hawaii is Obama's birthplace. Let me guess, what they actually do and say does not matter, just what you think it really meant.
The implication is that both parents must be American citizens. What part of that do you not understand? What part of Barry's father not being American citizen, EVER, do you not understand. McCain was born in Panama while it was under US Jurisdiction. Kenya was never under US jurisdiction, but under British jurisdiction.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by Antiquated1
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Antiquated1
That is just deflection and obfuscation. The implication of the resolution is that both the parents must be American citizens at the time of birth, which Barrys Dad was not, no matter where Barry was born.
No, it is the truth. Please show me the resolution in full and explain how you find that implication.
You do know it was a non-binding resolution right? From the same people that "resolved" that Hawaii is Obama's birthplace. Let me guess, what they actually do and say does not matter, just what you think it really meant.
The implication is that both parents must be American citizens. What part of that do you not understand? What part of Barry's father not being American citizen, EVER, do you not understand. McCain was born in Panama while it was under US Jurisdiction. Kenya was never under US jurisdiction, but under British jurisdiction.
Statute, by parentage Under certain circumstances, U.S. citizenship can be acquired from one's parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[5] If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever legally resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.
Originally posted by Tonosama
Originally posted by Antiquated1
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
The further off topic you go, the better your argument gets. Obama must have been born in Kenya because you think FMD took nude pictures of Obama's mom. Keep up the good work. Have some stars on me.
Typical elitist response of an obamaton. No debate, just snide and flippant remarks.
Why are you all so afraid of this going to court? If it is proven he is absolutely a NBC then you can gloat and gloat and gloat. If he is shown not to be a NBC....well....things will be rather interesting at that point.
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Ok, what does Bill Ayers have to do with Obama's eligibility as president? Did Bill Ayers make the fake BC?
Do you not have people in your past or present that may cast doubt on your reputation? I know a couple people in my life that could cause me a world of hurt.
Wasn't it Bush who had an intimate relationship with the Bin Laden's? Did you whoop and holler about that? Did that in effect de-legitimize the Bush presidency?
By the way, Bill Ayers was and is remorseful about his actions.
Chicago Magazine reported that "just before the September 11th attacks," Richard Elrod, a city lawyer injured in the Weathermen's Chicago "Days of Rage," received an apology from Ayers and Dohrn for their part in the violence. "[T]hey were remorseful," Elrod says. "They said, 'We're sorry that things turned out this way.'"[30]
WIKI
Is in not disingenuous to then call him "unrepentant"?
The implication of your absurd interpretation is that to be a natural born citizen one must be born on a military base. Isn’t that specified in McCain’s non-binding resolution as well?
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The implication is that both parents must be American citizens. What part of that do you not understand?
I find it hard to believe anyone that knows how to do research and read a research paper could have said what you just said. Are you playing dumb here or is this a serious statement? I pointed out the lack of citations in the forward. If you flip to the citations section titled: "ENDNOTES" on page 371, you will notice citations listed for the preface, introduction, and chapter 1 - 13, the conclusion, and the appendix, ending on page 387. Not one footnote correlates to the forward. If you had the book and knew how to read it, you would know that.
Ayers concludes his self-defense with a brief against capitalism. "Capitalism," he writes, "played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution -- a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good -- must win.
I'm sometimes asked if I regret anything I did to oppose the war in Viet Nam, and I say 'no, I don't regret anything I did to try to stop the slaughter of millions of human beings by my own government.' Sometimes I add, 'I don't think I did enough.' This is then elided: he has no regrets for setting bombs and thinks there should be more bombings."
It has to do with the people who surround him, who he has surrounded himself with and who he allies himself with, which in many Patriotic Americans' view adds fuel to the fire of his loyalties to the US, as ultimately that is what is at the heart of the NBC requirement to be POTUS.
The US is part of this world is it not? That's like saying that you are a New York citizen, but not an American. I am a global citizen, and so are you. Get over it! We are not the only people on this big rock.
We know from Barry's own mouth that he considers himself to be a "Citizen of The World". When have you ever saw an American President ally himself with the rest of the World over the US?
Originally posted by aptness
The implication of your absurd interpretation is that to be a natural born citizen one must be born on a military base. Isn’t that specified in McCain’s non-binding resolution as well?
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The implication is that both parents must be American citizens. What part of that do you not understand?
Even if it was the Senate’s intent to define that a natural born citizen requires two citizen parents, as you claim, they couldn’t do it with a non-binding resolution.
edit on 25-5-2011 by aptness because: (no reason given)
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Because McCain was born in Panama while it was yet under US jurisdiction
Ayers is on record as saying he did not do enough(that bombing wasnt enough
Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[31] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again," as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[29] Ayers protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."[32] In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade."[33] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.[33][34] In a November 2008 interview with The New Yorker, Ayers said that he had not meant to imply that he wished he and the Weathermen had committed further acts of violence. Instead, he said, “I wish I had done more, but it doesn’t mean I wish we’d bombed more #.” Ayers said that he had never been responsible for violence against other people and was acting to end a war in Vietnam in which “thousands of people were being killed every week.” He also stated, "While we did claim several extreme acts, they were acts of extreme radicalism against property,” and “We killed no one and hurt no one. Three of our people killed themselves.”[35]
and here is his statement against Capitalism, which is typical of Marxist revolutionaries(and by the way when you apply to become a naturalized citizen of the US, you must sign a sworn affidavit that you have NOT been a member of any communist party or organization)..