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Originally posted by adeclerk
A lot of chemtrail believers state that they can tell the difference between a "chemtrail" and a contrail, and yet no photographic evidence exists. Can someone show me a photo of a "chemtrail" and a photo of a contrail, and explain how they look different?
Originally posted by Ab123
Im not sure, but i see them all the time, one day i saw about 10 jets or unidentified jets, not UFO's.
Originally posted by Ab123
jet streams such as afterburners from a jet or a space shuttel smoke usually last about an hour, this smoke from these big not jet looking, like big air liners, smoke went away in about 10 seconds
Originally posted by KILL_DOGG
reply to post by adeclerk
The biggest hole in the chemtrail theory is that all of the "spraying" is done during the day. You would think if they were trying to keep it on the down-low they would be doing it at night with planes rigged for quiet running. I just think people will latch onto anything if it allows them to b--ch and moan about the government and the wrongs they perceive are being done unto them.
Originally posted by nanemnat
reply to post by adeclerk
1. Who/They?: The US Air Force, NASA, CIA are involved with geo-engineering, as well as some privately owned companies who supply planes such as the Evergreen company.
2. Persistent contrails (aka chemtrails) are different because they last a long time. It used to be a very rare occurence to see a jet trail that lasted more than a few minutes, now they last for hours, then turn into a haze or cloud. For anyone who has been an observer of our skies, there is an obvious difference.
3. Who is paying the shills/debunkers? I would assume the military/government. (or perhaps the taxpayers! ha ha) We had one on Craigslist where I live, he was obviously a shill. He/she would not allow information of value re: chemtrails to stay on the site. There have been some insiders who have given out information about the chemtrails, such as a scientist aqt Wright Patterson AFB. Also, some pilots have discussed chemtrails and have taken video of the trails while they are flying.
4. Chemtrail believers require no evidence? You've got to be kidding! Besides being able to see a huge difference in the skies over the last few years there is so much evidence. For instance: Scientists and third-party labs have confirmed dangerously high levels of aluminum and barium in the soil and water- with no explanations other than from chemtrails. It is already in congress for a plan to spray to prevent global warming- but common sense tells us that they are already doing it. There are many patents for chemtrail dispersal. Weather modification is occurring and there is even a US gov. department that monitors the aerosols and clouds. Evidently, you haven't been researching or getting on the better websites because there is a ton of proof that chemtrails are a real but nasty truth. You should check out these websites for starters: aircrap.org and chemtruth, californiaskywatch, etc. I have some great but disturbing photos of persistent contrails. I take photos of them all the time.
The second German sighting occurred on May 9, 1919, when a pilot flying over Berlin at about 26,000 feet noticed the generation of a cloud stream that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick. The pilot saw a similar phenomenon two days later.
www.bbc.co.uk... Short contrails do not produce intricate patterns.
A few months later I witnessed the Battle of Britain taking place over my head in the July, August and September 1940. Being in SE London we had a grandstand view of the titanic struggle going on day aftr day with the intricate patterns of the contrails the most evident witness to the dog fights taking place.
So an airplane at great heights leaves behind it, stretching for endless miles, a visible "wake" composed of ice particles so tiny that they do not fall as snow but remain suspended in the air.
Photo taken by Jerry Cole, combat aerialphotographer in the 390th Bomb Group at Framlingham Air Base in England. He is looking for a print from the original negative he shot around January 1944 or before. It shows contrails of P-47's crossing each other in the background and a B-17 in the foreground.
Daily, for example, hundreds of jet planes crisscross the nation or great parts of it, often leaving fluffy contrails of water vapor, manmade clouds, as a signature of their passage.
Some contrails soon dissapate. Others turn into or are soon followed by high cirruse clouds that can and do influence the earth's heat balance with the sun.
The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
Henry Wadsworth Hinkle, hired man down on the farm with Uncle Clarence and Aunt Martha, looked skyward a few days ago and was awed by the multiplicity of "vapor trails," as he called them. That's the old name. Now they are called contrails-short for condensation trails-resulting from the condensation of heat flowing from high-flying jet engines.
Source He didn't follow jets, he followed contrails. You can't follow a short contrail.
A 43-year-old novice sailor said today that he followed jet contrails over the Atlantic to help him navigate after his sextant was smashed six days out of Pymouth, England.
Then there is the matter of cloudiness. The familiar contrails often left by high-flying planes might persist for a long time under some conditions.
Often, after several clear days, high flying jets begin leaving condensation trails in the sky. These "contrails" are the result of the condensation of water vapor that accompanies engine combustion at high altitudes.
He occasionally looked out the window at the earth and noted geographical locations. "We're coming over Europe and I've never seen so many jet plane contrails in my life," he reported
www.pitch.com... Contrails have to be around for a while to be "blown-out".
Shore was no naïf; he recognized the irony of many of his images. One of the cleverest is "U.S. 97, South of Klamath Falls, Oregon, July 21, 1973," which depicts a desolate spot of road where a billboard displays a snowcapped-mountain scene — against actual mountains in the distance. The billboard image seems to emerge from the land itself. Along with a cattle gate and a sky with blown-out contrails, the billboard is a tired and shabby advertisement for America itself.