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Originally posted by gurnio
Fences not walls?
The crux of your objection is that FDR built fences not walls?
You're kidding me right?
I thought you were better than that.
Originally posted by donguillermo
The Democrats won't kick them out and keep them out, because Latinos are an important political constituency of the Democratic Party.
Originally posted by gurnio
Originally posted by donguillermo
The Democrats won't kick them out and keep them out, because Latinos are an important political constituency of the Democratic Party.
Nothing like pandering to illegal aliens at the expense of national security.
Originally posted by donguillermo
...Illegal aliens do not vote, not yet, anyway...
Originally posted by ThunderCloud
Originally posted by donguillermo
...Illegal aliens do not vote, not yet, anyway...
That's a scary thought...
Originally posted by donguillermo
My understanding is that attempts are being made in California to allow them to vote in local, and possibly state elections.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Some people think all illegals come here just looking for jobs and most of them are but not all of them... So should we let all the murders,drug dealers,rapist into the country too?
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Umm the US and Canadian border is the longest undefended border in the world. Think about that for a sec...
Exactly. Another reason we should shut it down. Seeing how Canada freely gives assylum to known terrorists, its about time we did something about it.
Ive said it before, and Ill say it again: the best solution here is to bring all those troops home from Iraq, and every troop stationed abroad. Instead of occupying other countries that have no benefit for us, they need to be along the borders patroling, and preventing crap like this.
Originally posted by Jazzerman
AntiPolitrix....I stand by what I said. I do not think we should close our borders to Mexico either. I dont have the faintest clue why you thought I did not read that?
Anyhow, don't you believe that your freedom within the country will be limited as well? If you return from say Mexico, you will be questioned and interrogated. Plus, I dont want to live somewhere where people that enter our country are guilty before being proved innocent. If that happens you might as well kiss your freedoms goodbye.
Anyone realize that closing borders was one the signs of the rising Nazi party?
Originally posted by ThunderCloud
The only trade it would prevent would be illegal trade -- in drugs and weapons, and sex slaves (unfortunately, yes, there are real cases of this). The legal trading of goods would continue as usual. Sounds good to me!
I think the problem is even worse than many realize; there are over 10 million people illegally in the U.S. right now, and over 70% of them are from Mexico (over 90% of them are from Latin America in general; I think the reason for these numbers is obvious -- the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans prevent mass illegal immigration from Asia, Europe, and Africa, while the U.S. has a land border with Mexico, and thus, Latin America). And the numbers keep going up. Unlike legal immigrants, illegals here in the U.S. (I don't even like using the term "immigrants" to describe them because they're breaking the law just by being here; it does a disservice to those who immigrate here legally) have no intention of becoming a part of the U.S. in either language or culture. In fact, many are openly hostile to the U.S., as people living in southern California can testify.
The "La Raza" ('the race' in Spanish) is a racist movement that has been gaining momentum. It is to Hispanics what the KKK are to white Americans and the Black Panthers are to black Americans (hate is hate, no matter the source). And worse, within that movement is another movement -- the "Aztlan" movement. They say on their own websites (sometimes in Spanish, sometimes in English) that they hate whites and blacks, Jews, "European society" in general, call themselves the "chosen race," and want nothing less than to give the southwestern U.S. back to Mexico. "Aztlan" is based on lies (history is easy when you make it up) and literally demands that the southwestern U.S. (TX, NM, AZ, CA, UT, CO) be "given back" to Mexico a la the 1845-1848 Mexican-American War.
aztlan.net...
larazaunida.tripod.com...
ccir.net...
(just a few sample web sites of many)
I fear that, as the "Aztlan" movement grows, it's only going to be a matter of time before the extremists start resorting to desperate tactics, like terrorism, to force their ideas out in the open. The U.S. will then have a situation simliar to the Basques in Spain, or Northern Ireland, as a couple of random examples.
Most people don't realize how serious the situation is. Remember, there are 10 million illegals in the U.S. -- to put that in perspective, there are 18 million New Yorkers, 20 million Texans, and 35 million Californians... Also, 43 of the 50 States have less than 10 million people. What will be the spark that will start a mini-revolution of sorts that will make the horrific riots of the 1960's look tame in comparison?
The U.S.-Mexico border needs to have a huge wall built across it -- even the Rio Grande part -- now. The only way in or out should be through legal ports of entry. The U.S. Border Patrol also needs to be increased by a factor of 10 (in resources, manpower, everything). While this problem doesn't exist at the U.S.-Canada border, that border needs to be closely monitored as well...
[edit on 8/2/2004 by ThunderCloud]
Originally posted by Romeo
I am continually amazed at the degree of violent solutions offered for Americas problems on this site. So many of the Americans here seem to have psychopathology I think building a wall is a great idea, to protect those poor b@stards living next to you.
Originally posted by SpittinCobra
If america has anything to fear, Its not Mexico. Americn needs to fear its self.
This is a hate thread if you ask me.
Originally posted by Linux
Originally posted by phreak_of_nature
My wife pointed this out to me...
A wall to keep someone out, also keeps someone in.
But it's really all just a matter of perspective I think. And from where I'm standing... looks pretty good to me!
Now why you'd want to keep your own people in is beyond me. I'd rather be allowed to travel freely then be boxed into my own country.
Originally posted by donguillermo
Do you really think I wasn't aware that the Berlin Wall was built to keep people in??? That has nothing to do with the accuracy of my statements.
Originally posted by SpittinCobra
If america has anything to fear, Its not Mexico. Americn needs to fear its self.
This is a hate thread if you ask me.
Originally posted by Kenshiro
Originally posted by SpittinCobra
If america has anything to fear, Its not Mexico. Americn needs to fear its self.
This is a hate thread if you ask me.
SpittingCobra, I do not think that the intent of this thread is hateful. It does demonstrate to what extent people are ready to take in order to protect themselves. 9/11 and subsequest events have the american people frightened and angry. The when you also consider that much of the world is expressed a great deal of anti-americanism ( and in some cases rightly so ) It is now becoming a large grassroots belief that maybe america would be better off closing it's borders, taking care of it's internal issues and basically kiss off the rest of the world.
----AntiPolitrix----
That is not intent either, we don't want to "kiss off the rest of the world". We just want our borders secure, we don't want 1500 illegals a day or 500,000 illegals a year entering the US. There is too mush at stake.
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Note, I am not actually a proponent of this belief, as I think that it will cause more harm than good in the long run.
Originally posted by AntiPolitrix
Sorry i keep repeating the info, it is amazing how many people reply with out reading. If you had read the topic and following replies you would see we do not want to close off the US from trade, we just want out borders safe.
Originally posted by Kenshiro
Originally posted by SpittinCobra
If america has anything to fear, Its not Mexico. Americn needs to fear its self.
This is a hate thread if you ask me.
SpittingCobra, I do not think that the intent of this thread is hateful. It does demonstrate to what extent people are ready to take in order to protect themselves. 9/11 and subsequest events have the american people frightened and angry. The when you also consider that much of the world is expressed a great deal of anti-americanism ( and in some cases rightly so ) It is now becoming a large grassroots belief that maybe america would be better off closing it's borders, taking care of it's internal issues and basically kiss off the rest of the world.
----AntiPolitrix----
That is not intent either, we don't want to "kiss off the rest of the world". We just want our borders secure, we don't want 1500 illegals a day or 500,000 illegals a year entering the US. There is too mush at stake.
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Note, I am not actually a proponent of this belief, as I think that it will cause more harm than good in the long run.
If we were to kiss off the rest of the world we would be in a heap of sh** and thats not what we are talking about.
[edit on 3-8-2004 by AntiPolitrix]